Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

facehugger99

Hooked wrote: »

Imagine that - being in your 40's - and making up your OWN mind!

That's not the Irish way.

You wait for the man on the telly to tell you what to do, then swiftly tug the forelock and move on.

OwenM

Boggles wrote: »

Jesus, we have started using the turkey tin foil.

What purpose did the pop up centres fulfill, opened for just a couple of days just before the next review of restrictions? Why didn't the Dublin one 'which found a worrying level of positivity' stay open?

There is no other conclusion than to gather data in advance of todays meeting with government.

marno21

TonyMaloney wrote: »

having parties indoors is a ****ing problem

if you're doing that kind of ****, you are part of the problem. And don't ****ing whinge about unemployment or mental health when you're negatively contributing to both.

It is hard to live within the rules, but doing exactly the wrong ****ing thing is inexcusable.

People tried meeting up outdoors but then they got filmed and shamed on the radio the following morning.

Much easier to do it indoors in peace then.

People have had the opportunity to meet up with others from outside their household for 3 weeks out of the last 24 weeks and those 3 weeks included Christmas. It can't come to a surprise to anyone at this stage that people are meeting up again. The Government would be far better pushing the safest methods of this activity rather condemning people trying to get on with their lives.

facehugger99

TonyMaloney wrote: »

having parties indoors is a ****ing problem

Having the most cowardly Government since the formation of the State is a problem.

Having a gerrymandered, single-issue group of bureaucrats dictating public policy and eroding our democratic freedoms is a problem.

Having 25% of the population on Social Welfare is a problem

Adding over €50bn and rising to our National Debt is a problem.

Acting like Covid is the Black Death is a problem.



But yeah, let's pretend it's people meeting up for a chat and a couple of drinks that's the real issue.

Multipass

TonyMaloney wrote: »

having parties indoors is a ****ing problem

if you're doing that kind of ****, you are part of the problem. And don't ****ing whinge about unemployment or mental health when you're negatively contributing to both.

It is hard to live within the rules, but doing exactly the wrong ****ing thing is inexcusable.

Sounds like primary school, ‘the rules’
Faced with mass insanity, the only sane thing to do is ignore it.

gmisk

JRant wrote: »

If you ban all social gatherings in offical settings then it will always go underground. Always has done, always will do. This is a perfect example of the government losing control of the situation. If they allowed premises to open then people would have a controlled environment to go to.

The problem here is not the people, it's the policy makers.

I agree with regards controlled environments being re-opened. I went to restaurants at Christmas and they did a brilliant job, massive effort to keep to guidelines. I know someone who owns a small pub that serves food they are finding things horrendously tough. I also think retail should be open if they follow restrictions.

Politicians/policy makers of course need to give people some kind of a path out of this and a clear roadmap...they have failed miserably.

But I am afraid "the people" have to shoulder at least some of the blame, they are the ones having parties, going to shebeens etc, the cases are not going down anymore.

JDxtra

Deleted User wrote: »

Looks like they aren't going to do regional openings..I'm done with it at this stage, enough is enough.

The virus has essentially being eradicated from Cork and Kerry. We can do no more and are still expected to keep our businesses and communities closed for no reason. This isn't a lockdown, it's now permanent closure until the entire country is vaccinated

NPHET won't be happy until everyone in the WORLD is vaccinated! The variants that don't exist yet are the next bogeyman.

Hooked

paw patrol wrote: »

So somebody meeting friends in their house suddenly disbars them from being angry that shops/gyms/restaurants/pub/sports and activities are closed, measures such as masks are enforced? That's mental logic.

I've been doing similar , was at a house with 6 others on sat , was nice.
But wasn't the same as a night on the town.

my close contacts are exposed insofar as they have been my entire life to any other illness. As previously said, nobody I meet in an enclosed space doesn't know what I'm up too. But you can't eliminate risk from your life - imagine a life with no risk? That would be hell.

No more risk me passing on the virus than somebody who is at work daily cos their industry is deemed essential.
I know - work is noble, rest of your life is bad. Sounds very communist to me. The state is everything, you are nothing.

Thank you for making me feel like I'm not the only lunatic in the asylum...

paw patrol

gmisk wrote: »

Did you actually read what they posted?
Maybe you should and then respond?
Basically admitting to being in a shebeen or equivalent with a gang of mates, no masks etc.

Do what you like, but you are kidding yourself too. If you have a large number of contacts and are behaving like that poster you aren't helping...people like you will help to drag this out for even longer.

This doesn't hugely effect me I have a permanent well paid job which can be done from home, but I wouldn't mind going on my honeymoon sometime this decade.

A shebeen , the horror!:eek:

Im not wasting my life waiting for the day Mehole finally gets enough expert reports that he makes a decision. My life (and of my kids) are worth more than being beholden to that waste of space for a year and counting.....I know Leo was leader at start of this.

Sure some stuff isn't open but I'll try manage without or with a black market.
Doesn't mean i won't give out about it.
I'm certainly not moaning to others "to do what they say and we might be allowed nice things".

While I don't agree with the extreme measures imposed - if there was a plan with published exit criteria , I'd buy into it. I'll bet they have criteria but won't make it public for fear of being held to it. if so, that's' cowardly in the extreme and I want no part of that charade.

There is a huge debate beyond this thread of how much personal freedom you should hand over to the state. How much the state actually owns you . We would have thought of Ireland as a free country but if principals of personal freedom are over ruled in trying times, they never existed in the first place.

paw patrol

Hooked wrote: »

Thank you for making me feel like I'm not the only lunatic in the asylum...

my only gripe with you is that I wasn't invited.

Hooked

Boggles wrote: »

Sorry where were you?

It sounds like a pub?

An exclusive pub for you and your few friends?

High rollers.

Like you said - the petrol station... :rolleyes:

M_Murphy57

Hooked wrote: »

Jaysus lads n lassies...

'Tis a really REALLY sad state of affairs when I'm being attacked for admitting to living my life, taking calculated risks with like minded individuals. A year ago - they asked us to "push the virus" back, the'd build capacity, etc... They've failed us at every turn since!

I'm a very pragmatic person. I respect peoples opinions, though they may differ greatly from mine... but the amount of people blindly swallowing this drivel from the govt. and NPHET - unable to think for themselves is very worrying.

Last time I checked *(2 weeks ago) the death toll in Ireland was 45 people total, in under 45's. So, we 'take that risk' when meeting up once a month.

If I'm practicing social distancing and wearing masks EVERYWHERE else (as I should be) then I'm really only putting those I met on Sat night at risk. AND they are of the same mindset.

Imagine that - being in your 40's - and making up your OWN mind!

According to the CSO there are 0 (zero) deaths in the under 45s.

The ones you mention are captured by HSPC as "possible" covid deaths only. So the risk to under 45s of death is nil by the CSO.

TonyMaloney

Hooked wrote: »

Thank you for making me feel like I'm not the only lunatic in the asylum...

You're not a lunatic at all. You're just very irresponsible.

Boggles

Hooked wrote: »

Like you said - the petrol station... :rolleyes:

It's about as plausible.

facehugger99

gmisk wrote: »

I agree with regards controlled environments being re-opened. I went to restaurants at Christmas and they did a brilliant job, massive effort to keep to guidelines. I know someone who owns a small pub that serves food they are finding things horrendously tough.

Politicians/policy makers of course need to give people some kind of a path out of this and a clear roadmap...they have failed miserably.

But I am afraid "the people" have to shoulder at least some of the blame, they are the ones having parties, going to shebeens etc, the cases are not going down anymore.

I know a good way to stop that - let the pubs open, along with all other retail and hospitality.

Locking people up for the best part of a year and then blaming them for meeting up and socialising - It's like some Orwellian nightmare.

I never thought I'd see the day when people traded away so much for so little. It makes me ashamed of this country and a lot of people who live in it.

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

Sorry where were you?

It sounds like a pub?

An exclusive pub for you and your few friends?

High rollers.

You can pick up a pool table for a few hundred quid second hand and a dart board for €50. Hardly high rolling if you forego a few inches of TV and prioritise such things. Nice attempt at the old tribalism though, Boggles. Stay classy dude.

gmisk

Boggles wrote: »

It's about as plausible.

Darts, pool, cans and fags at the petrol station...what a bunch of absolute legends and rebels...

SAMTALK

Hooked wrote: »

Jaysus lads n lassies...

'Tis a really REALLY sad state of affairs when I'm being attacked for admitting to living my life, taking calculated risks with like minded individuals. A year ago - they asked us to "push the virus" back, the'd build capacity, etc... They've failed us at every turn since!

I'm a very pragmatic person. I respect peoples opinions, though they may differ greatly from mine... but the amount of people blindly swallowing this drivel from the govt. and NPHET - unable to think for themselves is very worrying.

Last time I checked *(2 weeks ago) the death toll in Ireland was 45 people total, in under 45's. So, we 'take that risk' when meeting up once a month.

If I'm practicing social distancing and wearing masks EVERYWHERE else (as I should be) then I'm really only putting those I met on Sat night at risk. AND they are of the same mindset.

Imagine that - being in your 40's - and making up your OWN mind!

That is your choice and it's everyones choice at the end of the day

Let's say 8 out of 10 people take your example and do what they want, fine that's their choice and I don't blame people at this stage

BUT IF the numbers stay the same or rise and the restrictions are kept in place for 6 more weeks, and everything is closed down will you and the other 8 / 10 people accept this because restrictions will not be lifted just because some people are ignoring them

Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

You can pick up a pool table for a few hundred quid second hand and a dart board for €50. Hardly high rolling if you forego a few inches of TV and prioritise such things. Nice attempt at the old tribalism though, Boggles. Stay classy dude.

Tribalism? Srsly? :pac:

The OP claimed he and his friends had a "night out".

If he went to his mates garden shed and drank cans, well then just say that.

No need for the stories.

TonyMaloney

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

According to the CSO there are 0 (zero) deaths in the under 45s.

The ones you mention are captured by HSPC as "possible" covid deaths only. So the risk to under 45s of death is nil by the CSO.

There's been 50 deaths under 45.
https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/epidemiologyofcovid-19inirelandweeklyreports/COVID-19%20Weekly%20Report_%20Week%2011_%20Slideset_HPSC%20-%20Website.pdf

And in the last 14 days the under 45s have made up 28% of all hospitalisations.

Hooked

TonyMaloney wrote: »

You're not a lunatic at all. You're just very irresponsible.

Respectfully - I disagree...

Hooked

Boggles wrote: »

Tribalism? Srsly? :pac:

The OP claimed he and his friends had a "night out".

If he went to his mates garden shed and drank cans, well then just say that.

I said we had a night out, which we did...

Just to clarify - we didn't go OUT out...

gmisk

facehugger99 wrote: »

I know a good way to stop that - let the pubs open, along with all other retail and hospitality.

Locking people up for the best part of a year and then blaming them for meeting up and socialising - It's like some Orwellian nightmare.

I never thought I'd see the day when people traded away so much for so little. It makes me ashamed of this country and a lot of people who live in it.

"Orwellian nightmare" Christ what hyperbolic nonsense.

I already posted the below.
I agree re-open places if measures are in place.
The lack of a published and defined plan is a disgrace.

"I agree with regards controlled environments being re-opened. I went to restaurants at Christmas and they did a brilliant job, massive effort to keep to guidelines. I know someone who owns a small pub that serves food they are finding things horrendously tough. I also think retail should be open if they follow restrictions."

Whatsisname

marno21 wrote: »

People tried meeting up outdoors but then they got filmed and shamed on the radio the following morning.

Much easier to do it indoors in peace then.

People have had the opportunity to meet up with others from outside their household for 3 weeks out of the last 24 weeks and those 3 weeks included Christmas. It can't come to a surprise to anyone at this stage that people are meeting up again. The Government would be far better pushing the safest methods of this activity rather condemning people trying to get on with their lives.

This is basically the UK governments new approach from today. The new slogan is "Hands, face, space, fresh air". We're being encouraged to stay outside as much as possible, which is ironic considering we were told to stay inside for a year and they made it a criminal offence to be outside. But atleast theres some sort of attempt to move past this rather than somehow still arguing whether people should be allowed 5k from their house or not a year into this. You know things are bad when FF/FG make the Tories look competent.

TonyMaloney

Hooked wrote: »

Respectfully - I disagree...

Do any of you have kids?

Boggles

Hooked wrote: »

I said we had a night out, which we did...

Just to clarify - we didn't go OUT out...

So to actually clarify, you drank cans in one of your friends houses?

SAMTALK

SAMTALK wrote: »

IF the numbers stay the same or rise and the restrictions are kept in place for 6 more weeks, and everything is closed down will you and the other 8 / 10 people accept this because restrictions will not be lifted just because some people are ignoring them

What “numbers”? Case numbers?

They’re about to rise again when more go back to school after Easter regardless.

Deaths? I’m not in contact with any at-risk individuals, and those will fall as more at-risk people get vaccinated.

TonyMaloney

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Do any of you have kids?

Yeah. They just started Easter holidays. Why do you ask?

LameBeaver

TonyMaloney wrote: »

abso****ingloutely

you're very much a part of the problem, so whinging about the problem you're helping to create isn't valid

Absolutely. Any similar moaning and whinging future posts should be completely disregarded.

TonyMaloney

Akesh wrote: »

No, what is very irresponsible is the approach to this virus by NPHET and the Government.

What is even more irresponsible is those who believe you can install a perpetual lockdown with no adverse affects. Obviously NPHET and the government have the same expertise and knowledge on human behaviour as they do on pandemic management; None!

Having parties during a pandemic is irresponsible.

Don't bother your hole arguing with that.