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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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    #1292
    [Deleted User]
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    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    I genuinely can't understand how people don't have a grasp of the fact people can only deal with harsh restrictions for a limited amount of time. It's pretty elementary.

    I do understand how lockdowns work. But I also am cognisant that having a dinner party with unvaccinated friends is going to cause the numbers to go up rather than down. The more people mix, the more opportunity for spread.

    A six year old can understand that.


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    #1293
    LameBeaver
    Registered Users Posts: 102 ✭✭LameBeaver


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Oh yea. I go around taking photo's of people's funerals. Go back to bed you clown.

    I asked for any comments/pictures/footage about this supposed funeral on FB/Twitter etc. And you can`t provide any but just come out with a jibe. I wonder who exactly is the "clown" here chief.


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    #1294
    normanoffside
    Registered Users Posts: 9,987 ✭✭✭normanoffside


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Your 6-year-old niece is a child who has been told what to think. Much like the fella in the last thread who knew someone whose child was now terrified of leaving the house in case the virus killed them. The old "invoking the child" thing is never the gotcha people think it is.

    But sure, tell me, why have you come to the conclusion that I "don't have a grasp of how the virus works"?

    Or are you just offended that someone has a different level of risk tolerance to you?

    You should know by now that intelligence is the ability to repeat what you are told by NPHET, government and the media.

    Anyone who can think for themselves or question what they are told is considered to be stupid.


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    #1295
    ypres5
    Registered Users Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭ypres5


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Oh yea. I go around taking photo's of people's funerals. Go back to bed you clown.

    He expected a poster last week to take pictures of kids going to school as proof they had to stand outside in the rain while they got their hands sanitized so it's true to form


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    #1296
    ypres5
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    LameBeaver wrote: »
    I asked for links to FB or social media chief. And you can`t provide any but just come out with a jibe. I wonder who exactly is the "clown" here chief.

    How is he going to know whose funeral it was and why do you care so much? also no one thinks calling people chief is cool it's just reddit tier cringe


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    #1297
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Your 6-year-old niece is a child who has been told what to think. Much like the fella in the last thread who knew someone whose child was now terrified of leaving the house in case the virus killed them. The old "invoking the child" thing is never the gotcha people think it is.

    But sure, tell me, why have you come to the conclusion that I "don't have a grasp of how the virus works"?

    Or are you just offended that someone has a different level of risk tolerance to you?
    I'm simplify it for you.

    If unvaccinated people have dinner parties, this will increase community transmission as you have different households mixing. You have no immunity to this virus. Could spread it to the parents etc.

    I don't particularly care about your risk tolerance, I was just stating that your assumption that it's safe to have dinner parties with unvaccinated friends was misguided and displayed cloudy judgement.


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    #1298
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    LameBeaver wrote: »
    I asked for links to FB or social media chief. And you can`t provide any but just come out with a jibe. I wonder who exactly is the "clown" here chief.

    Are you not asleep yet? Ignored!


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    #1299
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    ypres5 wrote: »
    How is he going to know whose funeral it was and why do you care so much? also no one thinks calling people chief is cool it's just reddit tier cringe

    Well firstly, he insinuated it was a Traveller's funeral just because there were a lot of people outside the church. But it doesn't matter because he only takes Facebook posts as proof.


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    #1300
    Doctor Jimbob
    Registered Users Posts: 7,636 ✭✭✭Doctor Jimbob


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I do understand how lockdowns work. But I also am cognisant that having a dinner party with unvaccinated friends is going to cause the numbers to go up rather than down. The more people mix, the more opportunity for spread.

    A six year old can understand that.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'm simplify it for you.

    If unvaccinated people have dinner parties, this will increase community transmission as you have different households mixing. You have no immunity to this virus. Could spread it to the parents etc.

    I don't particularly care about your risk tolerance, I was just stating that your assumption that it's safe to have dinner parties with unvaccinated friends was misguided and displayed cloudy judgement.

    What you seem to be missing is that people are increasingly willing to tolerate that increased risk of spread in order to return to a more normal life. This was always going to happen if lockdown went on for too long.


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    #1301
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    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    What you seem to be missing is that people are increasingly willing to tolerate that increased risk of spread in order to return to a more normal life. This was always going to happen if lockdown went on for too long.

    I totally get what you are saying. Lockdowns are rough. To be honest, I find them difficult and I am working most of the time.

    But the poster was suggesting that because he wasn't having dinner with unvaccinated over 80s, that there was no risk. I was just point out he was incorrect or maybe speaking disingenuously.


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    #1302
    gozunda
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    Nokotan wrote: »
    With the median age range of the new cases falling (less vulnerable people getting infected) and the most vulnerable vaccinated does this not massively affect any previous models to predict future hospitalization and ICU?

    Add to that mass testing of asymptomatic people who are not sick possibly increasing the number of positive tests.

    From what I remember the positivity rate is low and going down too.

    Not sure. Recent 14 day data continue to show that approx 50% of all those in hospital with covid are under 65. Dont have an age breakdown but there is evidence that significant number of all those in hospital with covid do not have underlying conditions.

    How much is attributable to vaccinations and / or the much higher rate of transmissibility of the
    B.1.1.1.7 variant which is now dominant we don't know ..


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    #1303
    LameBeaver
    Registered Users Posts: 102 ✭✭LameBeaver


    ypres5 wrote: »
    How is he going to know whose funeral it was and why do you care so much? also no one thinks calling people chief is cool it's just reddit tier cringe

    If someone makes a claim such as this poster and for that matter others have then it is entirely justifiable to ask for some evidence to be provided that events happened as claimed. And as for your bolded comment I`ll take it on advisement chief.


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    #1304
    Whatsisname
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    ypres5 wrote: »
    He expected a poster last week to take pictures of kids going to school as proof they had to stand outside in the rain while they got their hands sanitized so it's true to form

    Reminds me of an old poster who regularly posted in an aggressive, superior manner and also hounded someone for days to take pictures of their illegal haircut so he could see.


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    #1305
    PTH2009
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    Sadly can't see this been the end of Level 5 in this country

    If numbers don't fall come mid May then a returning Dr Tony will want Level 5 once again.

    Autumn/Winter 2021 is a big worry


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    #1306
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    gozunda wrote: »
    Not sure. Recent 14 day data cintinue to show that approx 50 of all those in hospital with covid are under 50. Dont gave a age breakdown but there is evidence that significant number ic all those in hospital with covid do not have underlying conditions.

    I think we're going to see one of two things happen as the vaccine rollout progresses.

    Either the number of hospitalisations will steadily drop, or the average age of those hospitalised will drop.

    Hopefully it will be the number of hospitalisations as that should be the best indicator restrictions can change.


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    #1307
    manofwisdom
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    What will these April 5th restrictions be called, Level 5 minus, Level 4 plus or something else?


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    #1308
    ShyMets
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    LameBeaver wrote: »
    If someone makes a claim such as this poster and for that matter others have then it is entirely justifiable to ask for some evidence to be provided that events happened as claimed. And as for your bolded comment I`ll take it on advisement chief.

    Nothing passive aggressive about that comment at all


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    #1309
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I'm simplify it for you.

    If unvaccinated people have dinner parties, this will increase community transmission as you have different households mixing. You have no immunity to this virus. Could spread it to the parents etc.

    I don't particularly care about your risk tolerance, I was just stating that your assumption that it's safe to have dinner parties with unvaccinated friends was misguided and displayed cloudy judgement.

    Covid doesn’t just spontaneously appear whenever more than one human being is in the same space. This is a fundamental misunderstanding of how viruses spread at a very remedial level.

    People who are not infected with Covid have zero chance of spreading Covid.

    On the (very low) off chance that someone was asymptomatically infected while we met by a child picking up Covid in school in a very low (practically zero) infection area, the people who will also be infected are those who decided that the risk of being so was tolerable.


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    #1310
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Covid doesn’t just spontaneously appear whenever more than one human being is in the same space. This is a fundamental misunderstanding of how viruses spread at a very remedial level.

    People who are not infected with Covid have zero chance of spreading Covid.

    On the (very low) off chance that someone was asymptomatically infected while we met by a child picking up Covid in school in a very low (practically zero) infection area, the people who will also be infected are those who decided that the risk of being so was tolerable.

    Interesting.

    Makes you wonder how the virus is spreading at all.


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    #1311
    froog
    Registered Users Posts: 3,784 ✭✭✭froog


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Covid doesn’t just spontaneously appear whenever more than one human being is in the same space. This is a fundamental misunderstanding of how viruses spread at a very remedial level.

    People who are not infected with Covid have zero chance of spreading Covid.

    On the (very low) off chance that someone was asymptomatically infected while we met by a child picking up Covid in school in a very low (practically zero) infection area, the people who will also be infected are those who decided that the risk of being so was tolerable.

    ****ing hell.


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    #1312
    the kelt
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    Graham wrote: »
    I think we're going to see one of two things happen as the vaccine rollout progresses.

    Either the number of hospitalisations will steadily drop, or the average age of those hospitalised will drop.

    Hopefully it will be the number of hospitalisations as that should be the best indicator restrictions can change.

    Is it entirely possible that in reality with the new strain and the fact schools are back (and should remain so hopefully) that when it comes to case numbers will remain in or around the 500 point?

    Genuine question?

    Is it just foolish to be expecting case numbers to fall any lower?

    My understanding is that case numbers have remained relatively static in or around the 50/600 mark yet hospitalisations and numbers in ICU have dropped. I stand to be corrected on that as dont have figures to hand)


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    #1313
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    But the poster was suggesting that because he wasn't having dinner with unvaccinated over 80s, that there was no risk.

    You’ll be able to link to where I said there was no risk easily enough then, sure?


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    #1314
    LameBeaver
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    ShyMets wrote: »
    Nothing passive aggressive about that comment at all

    Glad you agree chief.


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    #1315
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    Graham wrote: »
    Interesting.

    Makes you wonder how the virus is spreading at all.

    The fact that SARS-CoV-2 does not spontaneously the air makes you wonder how it’s spreading at all?

    A lot of your posts make much more sense now.


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    #1316
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    the kelt wrote: »
    Is it entirely possible that in reality with the new strain and the fact schools are back (and should remain so hopefully) that when it comes to case numbers will remain in or around the 500 point?

    Genuine question?

    Is it just foolish to be expecting case numbers to fall any lower?

    My understanding is that case numbers have remained relatively static in or around the 50/600 mark yet hospitalisations and numbers in ICU have dropped. I stand to be corrected on that as dont have figures to hand)

    That's a really good question, I think only time will tell us the answer.

    I guessed a few posts back that either the number of hospitalisations will steadily drop, or the average age of those hospitalised will drop.

    If hospitalisations start to drop steadily/consistently, happy days :)


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    #1317
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Covid doesn’t just spontaneously appear whenever more than one human being is in the same space. This is a fundamental misunderstanding of how viruses spread at a very remedial level.

    People who are not infected with Covid have zero chance of spreading Covid.

    On the (very low) off chance that someone was asymptomatically infected while we met by a child picking up Covid in school in a very low (practically zero) infection area, the people who will also be infected are those who decided that the risk of being so was tolerable.

    How do you know that you don't have COVID right now? Do you ask for negative PCR's before you allow anbody into your dinner parties?


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    #1318
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The fact that SARS-CoV-2 does not spontaneously the air makes you wonder how it’s spreading at all?

    :confused:

    no idea what you're trying to say there Cymro.


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    #1319
    gozunda
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Covid doesn’t just spontaneously appear whenever more than one human being is in the same space. This is a fundamental misunderstanding of how viruses spread at a very remedial level.

    People who are not infected with Covid have zero chance of spreading Covid.

    On the (very low) off chance that someone was asymptomatically infected while we met by a child picking up Covid in school in a very low (practically zero) infection area, the people who will also be infected are those who decided that the risk of being so was tolerable.

    You're missing the point there.

    It has been estimated that up to 80% of people with covid are asymptomatic. But that does not mean they will not either spread or develop the disease.

    In fact that is what what has led to the setting up of pop up testing as .many simply do not know they've became infected at least in the early stages.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/high-level-of-asymptomatic-covid-cases-in-dublin-hot-spot-a-worry-1.4522485

    I'm amazed some don't seem to understand this tbh.


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    #1320
    ShyMets
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,469 ✭✭✭ShyMets


    LameBeaver wrote: »
    Glad you agree chief.

    I'd kindly ask you not to refer to me as chief


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    #1321
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    How do you know that you don't have COVID right now? Do you ask for negative PCR's before you allow anbody into your dinner parties?

    I don’t know that I don’t have Covid-19 right now.

    I mean it’s very unlikely, since I’ve already had it, but I don’t *know* that I don’t have it.

    What difference does that make to a meeting of people who have judged the risk tolerable for themselves and pose no risk of infection to anyone else?


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