Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

is_that_so

deckie66 wrote: »

slight difference this year - vaccines

Eventually but not making much headway at present.

LARGElittle

darem93 wrote: »

I have genuinely never hated two words as much in my life as I hate these.

"Wet pubs" can do one as well.

Pussyhands

The Irish have blasted and mocked Johnson yet the Brits have now undeniably handled this pandemic better than we have.

Idbatterim

Use the waze app to avoid covid checkpoints.... every time I hop in the car, there us a bigger chance of me dying than from covid! My mates dont even think about the virus any more,its like its non existent and thats the truth, it is an irrelevance to them at that age. If their parents are vaccinated. I couldnt care less about scaremongering etc, let any one else vulnerable, isolate until they have the vaccine. The biggest virus of them all is the ffg covid bedwetters disgrace!

Corholio

Pussyhands wrote: »

The Irish have blasted and mocked Johnson yet the Brits have now undeniably handled this pandemic better than we have.

The vaccination part for sure, before that certainly not. Thats not a pat on our back either.

Pussyhands

Pussyhands wrote: »

The Irish have blasted and mocked Johnson yet the Brits have now undeniably handled this pandemic better than we have.

Only double the deaths. Well done Boris!

Doctor Jimbob

Idbatterim wrote: »

Use the waze app to avoid covid checkpoints.... every time I hop in the car, there us a bigger chance of me dying than from covid! My mates dont even think about the virus any more,its like its non existent and thats the truth, it is an irrelevance to them at that age. If their parents are vaccinated. I couldnt care less about scaremongering etc, let any one else vulnerable, isolate until they have the vaccine. The biggest virus of them all is the ffg covid bedwetters disgrace!

I've started using waze as well, very handy to avoid checkpoints all right.

Before anyone labels me a granny killer, the only time I've been out of the 5km lately is leaving my wife at work, which is a tedious enough journey without having to explain myself to the gardai.

Pussyhands

Corholio wrote: »

The vaccination part for sure, before that certainly not. Thats not a pat on our back either.

The pandemic isn't over therefore the vaccine and reopening is part of the performance.

lawred2

Pussyhands wrote: »

The Irish have blasted and mocked Johnson yet the Brits have now undeniably handled this pandemic better than we have.

well they've handled the vaccine procurement and rollout better for a fact

but up to that point - they had a bad a run as any country

Corholio

Pussyhands wrote: »

The pandemic isn't over therefore the vaccine and reopening is part of the performance.

What does that matter to what I said? You can't change what happened for the past year.

This virus has been 'competition' porn for some, even when it's dealing with lives.

JRant

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What tends to happen is that allowance is not made for a rapid change in the situation. Not enough has been known about the effect of the vaccines while there is still a large amount of susceptible people out there. This data is only now starting to come through that would allow the sort of planning, with confidence,that you are talking about. For example, the clear impact of vaccines in Israel was not seen until recently when they reached 50% coverage. Up until the last couple of weeks, deaths and hospitalisations were stubbornly high, even if in those already vaccinated the improvement was obvious earlier. Now they are starting to see a massive impact.

All fair points but we were able to plan a way out of last year's lockdown 1 with absolutely no vaccines available. This year is paralysis by analysis IMO. I'm not sure why they won't even give a broad outline of a plan. It's just mind boggling.

A Shaved Duck?

lawred2 wrote: »

well they've handled the vaccine procurement and rollout better for a fact

but up to that point - they had a bad a run as any country

People should not confuse blind luck in brexit allowing them to hoover up all the vaccine at over the asking price with sound handling of this pandemic.

Deusexmachina

A Shaved Duck? wrote: »

People should not confuse blind luck in brexit allowing them to hoover up all the vaccine at over the asking price with sound handling of this pandemic.

Sorry, but that smells of sour grapes. Don't tell me you would prefer to be in our position?

The British have played a blinder:

- they have maintained a careful balance between suppressing the virus and keeping the economy moving
- their messaging has been positive and hopeful rather than pessimistic and fearful
- they secured proper contracts from the vaccine providers and didn't sweat over cost
- they have professionally handled the vaccine rollout with minimum fuss and maximum efficiency
- they are now moving ahead with lifting restrictions.

Meanwhile back in the Banana Republic '“It’s critical that we get the next few weeks right” ....(Eamon Ryan this morning)

lawred2

A Shaved Duck? wrote: »

People should not confuse blind luck in brexit allowing them to hoover up all the vaccine at over the asking price with sound handling of this pandemic.

That's a technocratic response. Do you think the British people really care?

JRant

JRant wrote: »

All fair points but we were able to plan a way out of last year's lockdown 1 with absolutely no vaccines available. This year is paralysis by analysis IMO. I'm not sure why they won't even give a broad outline of a plan. It's just mind boggling.

There is a belief that revolving door lockdowns are the most damaging. I think what they want is to never have to reverse course again. And that is what is feeding into the conservatism.

I believe we could and should be more ambitious in the plan, but do understand why it is not seen that way

JeffKenna

A Shaved Duck? wrote: »

People should not confuse blind luck in brexit allowing them to hoover up all the vaccine at over the asking price with sound handling of this pandemic.

I wish the EU had a bit more blind luck.

CapriciousOne

lawred2 wrote: »

That's a technocratic response. Do you think the British people really care?

Whatever about the vaccine rollout, I'm sure they care about the thousands of people that died unnecessarily tbf.

Deusexmachina

CapriciousOne wrote: »

Whatever about the vaccine rollout, I'm sure they care about the thousands of people that died unnecessarily tbf.

Nonsense. People died from Covid everywhere. Its a global pandemic.

Graham

Deusexmachina wrote: »

Nonsense. People died from Covid everywhere. Its a global pandemic.

I'm not convinced that means nobody cares about those that died.

Corholio

Deusexmachina wrote: »

Nonsense. People died from Covid everywhere. Its a global pandemic.

Again, it's silly and childish play country covid wars, but how do you think the British public think 2020 was handled? Playing a 'blinder' is not something I saw anywhere during last year.

Chong

What time do we expect the announcement to be ?

muddypuppy

CapriciousOne wrote: »

Whatever about the vaccine rollout, I'm sure they care about the thousands of people that died unnecessarily tbf.

I hate to sound cynical, but this whole thing was about protecting the hospitals. The Brits might have come closer than us to have hospitals full, but it didn't happen.

j@utis

JRant wrote: »

It's looking like late summer early autumn before we see any real lifting of restrictions though. That's a heavy lift for a lot of people after being locked down for so long.

And when the autumn is here we'll see the rise of the cases again, so everything is gonna get locked up again. I don't see Xmas 2021 happening, because we can't make Xmas 2020 mistake again, right?

SnuggyBear

j@utis wrote: »

And when the autumn is here we'll see the rise of the cases again, so everything is gonna get locked up again. I don't see Xmas 2021 happening, because we can't make Xmas 2020 mistake again, right?

100% we will be locked down again in the winter

lawred2

CapriciousOne wrote: »

Whatever about the vaccine rollout, I'm sure they care about the thousands of people that died unnecessarily tbf.

Jesus you just moved that goalpost into a different continent

DTownD

Idbatterim wrote: »

Use the waze app to avoid covid checkpoints.... every time I hop in the car, there us a bigger chance of me dying than from covid!

I downloaded the Waze app recently. How accurate do you think it is?

It seems to work for Dublin but elsewhere in the country I'm not so sure.

Riodej1578

DTownD wrote: »

I downloaded the Waze app recently. How accurate do you think it is?

It seems to work for Dublin but elsewhere in the country I'm not so sure.

Yeah I've tried that also and not sure if it works too well outside Dublin??

JeffKenna

DTownD wrote: »

I downloaded the Waze app recently. How accurate do you think it is?

It seems to work for Dublin but elsewhere in the country I'm not so sure.

Did the same thing. I'm looking at the Lakeview roundabout in Midleton where there is a checkpoint but no excess traffic is showing.

dalyboy

SnuggyBear wrote: »

100% we will be locked down again in the winter

If the deciding metric is cases and not hospitalisation and death then the restrictions are endemic with no end date.
The virus cases will be with us for decades to come.

Can we be sure they will ease things on 12th as we were told 5th and now things pushed out again to middle of month. Could they say we partied too much at Easter etc and there’s a new variant, plus talk of big. bang.