People who still think Ireland is part of the UK

dxhound2005

partyguinness wrote: »

I have spent time in China and quite a few times some Chinese I interacted with clearly regard Europe as just one large country and essentially all the same i.e. no difference between the various countries.

The education system in China must be very poor compared to ours.

dxhound2005

dxhound2005 wrote: »

The education system in China must be very poor compared to ours.

Like a lot of what PG says, that is not true, either.

I mean maybe the same type of population who don't know much about Europe are similar to not knowing much about the differences between China, Korea and Vietnam over here, but educated people on either side know both.

Even the least educated should know their own borders though.

dxhound2005

Deleted User wrote: »

Like a lot of what PG says, that is not true, either.

I mean maybe the same type of population who don't know much about Europe are similar to not knowing much about the differences between China, Korea and Vietnam over here, but educated people on either side know both.

Which renders the premise of this thread defunct. It started off as one Irish person taking offence at an American thinking that we use the Pound as our currency. As if it is somehow unique that people in the outside world are misinformed only about Ireland. There is ignorance everywhere, including in Ireland.

partyguinness

Deleted User wrote: »

Whats the population got to do with complexity? Why has being a global centre got to so with anything. Getting a huge bang of cultural cringe here.

I shouldnt even bother having to go there but sure why not...

A nation (any nation) of 55million souls is helluva lot more complicated than an indigeneous island of 4million souls. Now, if you can't see or appreciate that then you are wasting my time. More than likely you are still growing up and still living at home.

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't know if you have left the house lately. Migration is running at about the same levels for both. And since they have left the EU I assume that the number of immigrants is reversing. not that that is relevant either.

You are forgetting the generations of emigrants from Asia, Africa and the Caribbean that have been here for decades. In the last 15-10 years there has been an influx of mostly Eastern European in Ireland and all of sudden lads think we are a multi cultural hot spot...LOL.

Deleted User wrote: »

I'ts not an issue where the borders of your state are?

So lads meet the odd US person who doesn't know their own border or the border of another foreign country...so what? Clearly not an issue for that person because they probably dont give a crap. That is a sad for them but a waste of time you getting wound up about it. It reflects worse on us that we should even give a crap what some random US or English person should think.

The pearl clutching is strong.

Deleted User wrote: »

Is it because we is small? Are Germans, who have 9 borders expected to know none of them. except France? Denmark is much smaller relative to Germany than Ireland is to England ( also I don't know why you are concentrating on England). I bet the failure to teach the Irish border is part of the big problems with Brexit.

Getting a huge bang of cultural cringe here.

More Pearl Clutching. I mentioned England because the thread title expressly says the "UK" and England is part of the UK which I am sure you knew.Why does it vex you so much..faux outrage. Please I live here and hear similar comments. It is a comparative which you responded to.

Now, you seem to equate stating blatant facts with "cultural cringe" or as a perceived criticism. Weird and only a reflection of your own insecurity.

Here is an idea...when your balls drop why don't you move to Germany or London or New York for a few years and then come back and tell me that society in Ireland is on par with London, Berlin, or New York. Then maybe you will understand Ireland in context with the rest of the world.

indioblack

dxhound2005 wrote: »

There is ignorance everywhere, including in Ireland.

Careful now.

partyguinness

Deleted User wrote: »

Like a lot of what PG says, that is not true, either.

Please tell me which part is not true. This should be good...

FlubberJones

From a Brit perspective I would not know a single person who would think Ireland is part of the UK, this must be an Irish thing.

dxhound2005

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Which renders the premise of this thread defunct. It started off as one Irish person taking offence at an American thinking that we use the Pound as our currency. As if it is somehow unique that people in the outside world are misinformed only about Ireland. There is ignorance everywhere, including in Ireland.

He was a financial presenter on TV so no excuse. Also he would get into the educated classes part of my argument.

dxhound2005

FlubberJones wrote: »

From a Brit perspective I would not know a single person who would think Ireland is part of the UK, this must be an Irish thing.

You may have a wide circle of acquaintances and friends. But that would be far too small a sample of the overall population to establish anything. How many of them did you ask about this anyway?

partyguinness

partyguinness wrote: »

Please tell me which part is not true.

That most Chinese people think that Europe is one country. Say what you like about the Chinese education system but their rote learning is good rote learning.

This should be good...

Yeh, I suppose.

partyguinness

FlubberJones wrote: »

From a Brit perspective I would not know a single person who would think Ireland is part of the UK, this must be an Irish thing.

To be honest, I have had the odd Brit express surprise there are two different jurisdictions.

Especially when it came to Brexit and border checks in NI- a few lads not at all worried about NI because and I quote "Sure it's all the same Island. It makes no difference"

Oblivious that the EU border is at the NI border.

FlubberJones

dxhound2005 wrote: »

You may have a wide circle of acquaintances and friends. But that would be far too small a sample of the overall population to establish anything. How many of them did you ask about this anyway?

Of course I wouldn't of needed to ask everyone but yes fair point.. but I honestly would be staggered if anyone I knew or know in the UK would think this.

partyguinness

Deleted User wrote: »

That most Chinese people think that Europe is one country. .

Really....where did I say that? Surely you don't mean this post:

"I have spent time in China and quite a few times some Chinese I interacted with clearly regard Europe as just one large country and essentially all the same i.e. no difference between the various countries."

The post where I said "...some Chinese I interacted with..."...is it that part you have misread?

dxhound2005

FlubberJones wrote: »

Of course I wouldn't of needed to ask everyone but yes fair point.. but I honestly would be staggered if anyone I knew or know in the UK would think this.

I find that some people on the internet take the ideas in their own heads as being what everyone thinks. I corrected a person on another forum who claimed that Ireland is the only country in Europe where some people think that stock and shares can be risky. That was just an idea in their own head.

If you asked these people instead of assuming what they think, you would know for sure.

partyguinness

partyguinness wrote: »

Really....where did I say that? Surely you don't mean this post:

"I have spent time in China and quite a few times some Chinese I interacted with clearly regard Europe as just one large country and essentially all the same i.e. no difference between the various countries."

The post where I said "...some Chinese I interacted with..."...is it that part you have misread?

Where did you meet these people? Did they speak English? Have you even been to China? How did you get into the conversation.

Yes, I doubt all your claims here.

partyguinness

Deleted User wrote: »

No it isn't.


I've lived in the US, the UK and Germany mate and I doubt you have left your parish. Haha.

By the way you haven't answered whether Germans should know their borders or not? Why not?

Keep quotng "cultural cringe" all you like. It is still nonsene.

Of course people should know their own border I have said as much but I am amused that lads are getting awfully upset by a very small perceived slight. That is the definition of Pearl Clutching. Nothing emotional about that buddy.

As for living in the UK, Germany and the US...lol...now we both know that is a blatant lie. Try harder.

Bet if I recited Lagos you would have lived in Nigeria too...;)

partyguinness

partyguinness wrote: »

Keep quotng "cultural cringe" all you like. It is still nonsene.

I mean you are the epitome of it. You are basically arguing that British people shouldn't know their own border because they ar bigger. Do you think that there are Danish, or Ducth people who would say the same about Germany.

Of course people should know their own border I have said as much but I am amused that lads are getting awfully upset by a very small perceived slight. That is the definition of Pearl Clutching. Nothing emotional about that buddy.

As for living in the UK, Germany and the US...lol...now we both know that is a blatant lie. Try harder.

I have pretty much said as much elsewhere on boards. Definitely that I lived in the US, only a few posts ago in fact. Pretty sure I've talked about London and family in Germany. I have been in Berlin for a few months though, the rest were years. I intend to work from Germany this year post covid, ill send a picture.

Bet if I recited Lagos you would have lived in Nigeria too...;)

No, haven't been to Lagos.

I merely said here that people in Britain should know where the border is. If you "agree" with that, then what are you arguing about?

FlubberJones

dxhound2005 wrote: »

I find that some people on the internet take the ideas in their own heads as being what everyone thinks. I corrected a person on another forum who claimed that Ireland is the only country in Europe where some people think that stock and shares can be risky. That was just an idea in their own head.

If you asked these people instead of assuming what they think, you would know for sure.

You see , now you have me concerned that they would answer incorrectly, thus forcing me to avoid them forever.... I'll simply think they know and leave it at that

partyguinness

Deleted User wrote: »

Where did you meet these people?

China. Read the part where I said "...having spent time in China"

Deleted User wrote: »

Did they speak English?

Yes. Why?

Deleted User wrote: »

Have you even been to China?

I would refer you back to the start.

Deleted User wrote: »

How did you get into the conversation.

Well, when you travel and work and generally spedn time in other countries it is normal to interact with the locals. In fact it is expected and indeed it happened every day would you believe..!

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes, I doubt all your claims here.

Good for you.

Seriously...this is funny and all from the guy who claims to have lived in the US, UK and Germany.

partyguinness

Deleted User wrote: »

I merely said here that people in Britain should know where the border is. If you "agree" with that, then what are you arguing about?

I am not arguing at all. You were the poster who came charigng in responding and throwing around accusations of "cultural cringe" because I pointed out a few home truths about Ireland is a small island and so what if an odd person does not know their own border- at the end of the day, they are the idiots so i wouldn't get too upset. Far more pressing issues in the world.

dxhound2005

FlubberJones wrote: »

You see , now you have me concerned that they would answer incorrectly, thus forcing me to avoid them forever.... I'll simply think they know and leave it at that

That would probably be best. This is just a little extract from 2019 of something I found on line.

My first encounter took place about two weeks after moving to London when I registered with my local GP.

“Where were you born?” the nurse asked me first, entering my details onto the system. “Dublin”. She paused. “Is that in Northern Ireland, or the South?” I tell her Dublin is in the South.

She pauses again, clearly struggling with the list of options on her computer screen. “Does that mean you’re…British?” she finally asks, half-apologetically. “No”, I answer. “I’m Irish.”

And I saw a UK survey from 2008 which claimed that 20% of those asked did not know that the UK was a member state of the EU (it was in 2008).

FlubberJones

dxhound2005 wrote: »

That would probably be best. This is just a little extract from 2019 of something I found on line.

My first encounter took place about two weeks after moving to London when I registered with my local GP.

“Where were you born?” the nurse asked me first, entering my details onto the system. “Dublin”. She paused. “Is that in Northern Ireland, or the South?” I tell her Dublin is in the South.

She pauses again, clearly struggling with the list of options on her computer screen. “Does that mean you’re…British?” she finally asks, half-apologetically. “No”, I answer. “I’m Irish.”

And I saw a UK survey from 2008 which claimed that 20% of those asked did not know that the UK was a member state of the EU (it was in 2008).

Stop ruining my thoughts of my fellow Brits...

partyguinness

dxhound2005 wrote: »

That would probably be best. This is just a little extract from 2019 of something I found on line.

My first encounter took place about two weeks after moving to London when I registered with my local GP.

“Where were you born?” the nurse asked me first, entering my details onto the system. “Dublin”. She paused. “Is that in Northern Ireland, or the South?” I tell her Dublin is in the South.

She pauses again, clearly struggling with the list of options on her computer screen. “Does that mean you’re…British?” she finally asks, half-apologetically. “No”, I answer. “I’m Irish.”

And I saw a UK survey from 2008 which claimed that 20% of those asked did not know that the UK was a member state of the EU (it was in 2008).

Yeah I would recognise this. When I registered my son's birth I was asked for my country of birth.

"Ireland" says I. Cue a pause and scrolling on the screen. She then tilts it around to show me. It said "Irish Republic". I said "No. The country of my birth is Ireland".

My wife glared at me. I continued "The correct constitutional name of my country of birth is Ireland. It is not the Irish Republic or the Republic of Ireland."

Then I just blinked and went with "Irish Republic"

MrVestek

partyguinness wrote: »

Yeah I would recognise this. When I registered my son's birth I was asked for my country of birth.

"Ireland" says I. Cue a pause and scrolling on the screen. She then tilts it around to show me. It said "Irish Republic". I said "No. The country of my birth is Ireland".

My wife glared at me. I continued "The correct constitutional name of my country of birth is Ireland. It is not the Irish Republic or the Republic of Ireland."

Then I just blinked and went with "Irish Republic"

I bet you're fun at parties.

air assault

partyguinness wrote: »

Yeah I would recognise this. When I registered my son's birth I was asked for my country of birth.

"Ireland" says I. Cue a pause and scrolling on the screen. She then tilts it around to show me. It said "Irish Republic". I said "No. The country of my birth is Ireland".

My wife glared at me. I continued "The correct constitutional name of my country of birth is Ireland. It is not the Irish Republic or the Republic of Ireland."

Then I just blinked and went with "Irish Republic"

Well fecking said. No such place as the Republic of Ireland either

partyguinness

MrVestek wrote: »

I bet you're fun at parties.

To be honest I wouldn't put myself on the top of a party invite list. I have no time for fun or any of that type of nonsense.

Jamsiek

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

To be even more pedantic, two islands.

Indeed

Hamsterchops

air assault wrote: »

Well fecking said. No such place as the Republic of Ireland either

This, although most of us posting here live in the ROI, or Southern Ireland as some call it.

Yes of course we live in Ireland, and Ireland is the official name of this country, but for the sake of postal services, retail warranty, or just for clarity, sometimes using ROI helps, why? because it differentiates us from NI (which is inside the UK) while we are not. This distinction is sometimes needed, even when communicating with next door in Britain!

Many times I've been on the phone to an English accent who's asks "Is that Northern Ireland or Southern Ireland Sir" eh, that's Southern Ireland please, "you're not in the UK then are you" eh, no were not, "So that's the Republic of Ireland you live in" Answer; yes this is, or just Ireland for short.

This clarity is sometimes required . . . .

Cal4567

Hamsterchops wrote: »

This, although most of us posting here live in the ROI, or Southern Ireland as some call it.

Yes of course we live in Ireland, and Ireland is the official name of this country, but for the sake of postal services, retail warranty, or just for clarity, sometimes using ROI helps, why? because it differentiates us from NI which is inside the UK while we are not. This distinction is sometimes needed, even when communicating with next door in Britain!

Many times I been on the phone to an English accent who's asks "Is that Northern Ireland or Southern Ireland Sir" eh, that's Southern Ireland please, "you're not in the UK then are you" eh, no were not, "So that's the Republic of Ireland you live in" Answer; yes this is, or just Ireland for short.

This clarity is sometimes required . . . .

I did hear a story once that UK call centres that dealt with us had training on ROI. Mainly because the average Brit came into the role not having a clue as to the nuances, NI or ROI. I am using the term ROI. They referred to us as Southern Ireland. Would have the potential to upset a few Shinners whereas the majority of us would just be wanting just to know when our goods were arriving.

The J Stands for Jay

Cal4567 wrote: »

I did hear a story once that UK call centres that dealt with us had training on ROI. Mainly because the average Brit came into the role not having a clue as to the nuances, NI or ROI. I am using the term ROI. They referred to us as Southern Ireland. Would have the potential to upset a few Shinners whereas the majority of us would just be wanting just to know when our goods were arriving.

If we're having to use ROI, why aren't they UKOGB&NI? Actually, to be equivalent to ROI, it would need to the CMOUKOGB&NI.

Hamsterchops

Gobbledygook.

Sakana

My friend lives in Edinburgh. He says Scottish people don't have a clue that Ireland isn't part of the UK.