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Transgender Woman guilty of child abuse imagery offenses [ADMIN WARNING IN 1ST POST]

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    I cannot understand the low level of this sentence. They are obviously likely to abuse a child in future. They have contributed to the abuse of children.

    This is absolutely sickening that they would only get three years.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Why is the biological sex of the offender relevant?

    Because criminological analyses aims to analyse crimes and deviant behaviour with the aim of reducing its occurrence. Contaminating factual data with subjective data impedes this crucial purpose.

    Because turning the female estate into a mixed sex estate is fundamentally abusive and endangering to the natal women housed there with no route of escape.

    The researchers state:
    ‘male-to-females . . . retained a male pattern regarding criminality. The same was true regarding violent crime.’


    Written evidence submitted by Professor Rosa Freedman, Professor Kathleen Stock and Professor
    Alice Sullivan [GRA2021]
    Evidence and Data on Trans Women’s Offending Rates

    This evidence is submitted to the WEC as requested of Professor Rosa Freedman by Nicola
    Richards MP during the 9
    th December Oral Evidence Session. The submission is divided into
    the following sections: (1) a summary of the Swedish study referred to in the session, and a
    response to some attempt to rebut that study; (2) data from the Ministry of Justice; and (3)
    analysis of that data from a May 2020 academic paper on transgender prisoners in England
    and Wales.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/18973/pdf/&ved=2ahUKEwjUs4719c3vAhUwQxUIHc50Df8QFjAAegQIAxAC&usg=AOvVaw1nfGy7VvUMk_Nrwv81ai3h


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    Noland is very lenient on nonces, it's very frustrating. Some young fella only got 2 years or something off him the other day after being caught with hundreds of images of babies, justification being he showed remorse and willingness to change during therapy..

    No clue what the fact she is transgender has to do with it though. Being transgender didn't make her do it, being an evil sack of **** did. Are we really still implying in 2021 queer people are more predisposed to paedophilia based on no evidence?

    And a clear distraction from this will be replies saying how is her gender more important the crime, but the OP was the one who brought it up , clearly they felt the fact she was transgender is very relevant to the crime. It's sick and clearly attempts to paint all of a minority with the same brush and needs to be called out.

    Genuine question. If the pattern repeats itself, and there's disproportionality in regards to crime as such among the trans community, would you ever recognize it as an issue? Or would you downplay the relationship? I'm speaking hypothetically of course.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    TomTomTim wrote: »
    Genuine question. If the pattern repeats itself, and there's disproportionality in regards to crime as such among the trans community, would you ever recognize it as an issue? Or would you downplay the relationship? I'm speaking hypothetically of course.

    Whether there is or isn't a relationship the crimes shouldnt be considered or judged on what demographic the criminal falls into nor should it inform our judgement of whether that person is guilty or why they did it, otherwise transgender people who would never commit these crimes suffer conseque nces of unwarranted suspicion. By recognising the issue, you mean stereotyping ? What good will recognising that issue do, what would you have happen, that every transgender is outlawed from working with children or something ? When has that kind of attitude towards a group more predisposed to certain crimes ever helped to reduce levels of that crime being committed ?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭statesaver


    In the eyes of the state, this person is a woman in the same way as your mother is a woman.

    And we're supposed to believe in science, believe the science they say. :pac::pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,850 ✭✭✭Lillyfae


    Bobblehats wrote: »
    “has let her application to remain in Ireland lapse and will be deported when her sentence finishes.”

    “Gee” thanks!

    It would be too much to ask that there would be a joined up approach taken to her release and deportation though. When she's released she'll be put outside the prison gate with her belongings- I doubt there will be a car waiting to take her to the airport for deportation.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    minikin wrote: »
    Sentence: three years. I wonder how that compares to sentences handed down to males for a similar offence?

    The person in the article is male.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    Noland is very lenient on nonces, it's very frustrating. Some young fella only got 2 years or something off him the other day after being caught with hundreds of images of babies, justification being he showed remorse and willingness to change during therapy..

    No clue what the fact she is transgender has to do with it though. Being transgender didn't make her do it, being an evil sack of **** did. Are we really still implying in 2021 queer people are more predisposed to paedophilia based on no evidence?

    And a clear distraction from this will be replies saying how is her gender more important the crime, but the OP was the one who brought it up , clearly they felt the fact she was transgender is very relevant to the crime. It's sick and clearly attempts to paint all of a minority with the same brush and needs to be called out.

    No, we’re noting that males and females have very different offending patterns when it comes to violent or sexual crimes. The transgender woman in the article is male, obviously, hence the transgender part and IMO, it’s important to note the biological sex of all people convicted of anything or else we just end up with a meaningless mush of statistics. I’m not sure why you mentioned sexuality. I don’t know the sexuality of the accused. Do you?


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Kivaro wrote: »
    The article said she was involved in prostitution in Sao Paulo, Brasil.


    It's also worth bearing in mind that when it is reported that there is an epidemic of transwomen being murdered, the stats are hugely inflated by the murder of transwomen in South America who are involved in the sex industry, which by its nature is very dangerous. These rates would be lowered significantly if we focused more on providing alternatives for those involved in the sex industry, instead of losing our shít over misgendering.

    https://fairplayforwomen.com/trans-murder-rates/


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  • Registered Users Posts: 458 ✭✭Xaniaj


    No, we’re noting that males and females have very different offending patterns when it comes to violent or sexual crimes. The transgender woman in the article is male, obviously, hence the transgender part and IMO, it’s important to note the biological sex of all people convicted of anything or else we just end up with a meaningless mush of statistics. I’m not sure why you mentioned sexuality. I don’t know the sexuality of the accused. Do you?

    Where did bb1234567 mention the offenders sexuality?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,655 ✭✭✭✭Tokyo


    Admin:

    Enough is enough. There has been more than enough discussion in this forum and in feedback with respect to misgendering members of the trans community, and the site has made its position on this matter abundantly clear. Yet the usual dog whistles and baiting is already prevailing in this thread.

    There is plenty of scope for discussion here, but any continued efforts to equate trans with mental illness or paedophelia, or deliberate misgendering of individuals to nail home a point of view will be met with an immediate and permanent siteban. Consider this the one and only warning on this matter.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭JMNolan


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    Just 3 days ago, man given lighter sentence by Nolan for similar crimes.16 months for 272 images and 159 video of toddlers. Save the conspiracy theories.
    The issue here is Nolan's light sentencing, not the fact the criminal was a transgender woman
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/student-jailed-for-downloading-depraved-child-abuse-images-1.4518047

    I'm getting sick and tired of Judge Martin Nolan getting constantly slagged off


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,225 ✭✭✭marklazarcovic


    every pedo in and out of jail for years will tell you they cannot be changed,fcuk your remorse and your insistence you can change with therapy,not a fckin hope you will change,you will change they way you seek out your perversions so as not to get caught again,thats about all you will change.

    nonsense sentences.


    also it sickens me how there is no funding for high levels of policing of these crimes but there is never ending funding for small drug offences and anything involving tax evasion or monetary crime. i know which i feel is far more important.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭statesaver


    Women arrested for being pedo's / sexual predators seems to be increasing lately, wonder why that is ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,450 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
    °°°°°


    statesaver wrote: »
    Women arrested for being pedo's / sexual predators seems to be increasing lately, wonder why that is ?

    Cops being more efficient?

    Glazers Out!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,395 ✭✭✭1800_Ladladlad


    Judge Nolan is is a parasite and needs to go. It was only a couple of days ago a lad Turkistani student was jailed after being caught with 272 images & 159 videos of children and babies. Nolan handed down a 3 1/2 year sentence but suspended the final two years and two months on a number of conditions.

    https://tinyurl.com/2yfn9pk5

    The sentence Nolan gave to this parasitic excuse of a human is disgusting!!! Back to Brazel when the case is done I dont give a sh*te if shes "married" to an Irish man


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,731 ✭✭✭jam_mac_jam


    Judge Nolan is is a parasite and needs to go. It was only a couple of days ago a lad Turkistani student was jailed after being caught with 272 images & 159 videos of children and babies. Nolan handed down a 3 1/2 year sentence but suspended the final two years and two months on a number of conditions.

    https://tinyurl.com/2yfn9pk5

    The sentence Nolan gave to this parasitic excuse of a human is disgusting!!! Back to Brazel when the case is done I dont give a sh*te if shes "married" to an Irish man

    Every single time you hear a crazy sentence it's Nolan.




  • Knew it would be judge Martin Nolan after reading first page of comments and before I opened the article. He always has a few kind words for these sickos.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,707 ✭✭✭Bobblehats


    Judge Nolan is is a parasite and needs to go. It was only a couple of days ago a lad Turkistani student was jailed after being caught with 272 images & 159 videos of children and babies. Nolan handed down a 3 1/2 year sentence but suspended the final two years and two months on a number of conditions.

    https://tinyurl.com/2yfn9pk5

    The sentence Nolan gave to this parasitic excuse of a human is disgusting!!! Back to Brazel when the case is done I dont give a sh*te if shes "married" to an Irish man

    Back to turkmanistan with him and all


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,676 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    So the judge noted this person has remorse for downloading this material, amazingly everyone who gets caught is sorry but having thousands of images on multiple devices would strike me as someone who was actively looking for this stuff and would have continued to do so if they weren't found out.

    Should be deported now and let serve the sentence in a Brazilian prison.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    Odd progression in this thread.
    The focus has apparently moved from protecting children, the victims of the perpetrator of these crimes, to protecting the transgressor of the crime.
    Maybe I'm wrong. The descriptors of the parties is more important than the actual crime itself .... upon pain of death.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭DeadHand


    Should be deported now and let serve the sentence in a Brazilian prison.

    I’d disagree.

    This criminal should serve a lengthier sentence in a men’s prison here and be deported immediately upon the completion of said sentence.

    This would happen in a sane society concerned first and foremost with the protection of its members, particularly its most vulnerable members.

    Sadly, we do not live in such a society.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,324 ✭✭✭JustAThought


    Likely entered the State claiming to study English in an august centre of learning, above a shabby launderette somewhere along Dorset St.

    Would this be one that dosn’t have exams but focuses on attendence for conversation classes only and charges e700 a term to have your name ticked off on a daily roll-call?

    I wonder if the local fire station can check these attendence ‘lists’ for fire safety and overcrowding safety compliance. God forbid Immigration check daily that they are fulfilling the conditions of their visas.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,324 ✭✭✭JustAThought


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    And its not "pornography". It's images of child abuse pure and simple

    2,464 children and babies raped
    754 further new and depraved images of children from age TWO being sexually abused and raped

    and s/he get a slap on the wrist and an OK to stay in a nice cosy jail and keep his/her residency and marriage in Ireland.


    That 12,000 social welfare payment s/he’ll put in the bank per year for being a prisoner will really come in handy when s/he is airlifted courtesy of the taxpayer back home to Brazil.

    I wonder who will help the 3,218 ‘new’ innocent raped babies and little children and their families from the horrific sexual abuse and sexual violence they had forced upon them by this depraved sex predator?


    Does Nolan think the 900,000 private messages and conversations by this depraved sexual predator and sexual abuse monster also show they are a good candidate for reform ??

    Its not just the sex predators who should be prison.

    Where is the Immigration control and social welfare inspectors in investigating this sex predator and prostitute? They were here on what appears to be a sham marriage and visa, they were working illegally and not delcaring the income. They trading new and disgusting and depraved pictures of toddlers and babies being raped - I hope this human filth is eviscerated.

    Why are politicians allowing this sentencing farce and to continue? They choose the judges. The can reform laws overnight to tax our houses and charge us for water. Why are they protecting sex predators and allowing vile subhuman predators to walk freely amongst law abiding people?

    What has happened to his/her victims? Where are they? Still being raped and abused?

    There is evil amongst us. Depraved and evil. And yet they are allowed, facilitated and protected.

    We should deport this human paracite back to the prison system in Brazil and bring back capitol punishment to protect the innocent by exterminating this kind of depraved human filth.

    I doubt the three thousand two hundred and eighteen raped babies and toddlers will disagree. Or the other ones we don’t know about - to feed his/her vile depraved mind and sexual depravity for baby rape.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Kivaro wrote: »
    Odd progression in this thread.
    The focus has apparently moved from protecting children, the victims of the perpetrator of these crimes, to protecting the transgressor of the crime.
    Maybe I'm wrong. The descriptors of the parties is more important than the actual crime itself .... upon pain of death.

    LOL. You think the OP's focus was on protecting children?
    Why wasn't the OP focusing their concern on the victims only then, why all the attention brought to details about the demographic the criminal falls into, you'd wonder wouldn't you? Clearly, their concern was not just with the victims, and naturally that framed how the discussion progressed, because that's the discussion they wanted, not about the victims.

    Pathetic argument tactic, can throw around accusations all day against all of a minority group, clearly as important to the OP as bringing attention to the crimes committed against the vimctims , and then calling that nasty behaviour out is immedtiately blamed as forgetting/disregarding plight of the victims. Can you point out even one post where anybody even implied defense of the criminal in question? No , some posters simply became irate by the fact that the crimes committed by this one transgender woman were being used to paint an entire demographic with the same brush.

    Very low indeed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    LOL......
    On a serious discussion about child abuse, when you start with that, the rest of the post just crumbles away.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Kivaro wrote: »
    On a serious discussion about child abuse, when you start with that, the rest of the post just crumbles away.

    Indeed I was clearly not laughing about the topic at hand but your pathetic attempt to distract from the discussion. So you can continue reading in good confidence that I was evidently not laughing about child abuse


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Immigrant and transgender , an NGOs wets dream .
    .


    That's because they're men . I don't care if a man wants to call himself a woman or dress up like one it's no skin off my nose , but they're still biologically a man , no matter that they try and tell you different.
    The person in the article is male.


    Kivaro I'd love to hear how relevant you think these kind of posts are to a debate that should only be about the victims of the crime. Do you think this sentiment is helpful and protecting children? Because these are the people who took it upon themselves to steer the discussion in that direction from the get go. Only natural that people would respond to them seeing as they were not removed. It's almost like you're only determined to call out certain types of posts which are irrelevant to what should indeed be the core focus of the discussion , the plight of the victims in question.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭statesaver


    A bullet is too good for him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,450 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Just to clarify why I brought up the perverts biological sex, when I read the article it stated that the offender was women.

    I was shocked that a women could do something like this. After reading the article it turns out the offender was a biological male. The stats show that males are more likely to commit this type of offence. So in that regard I don't go with the idea that this offender is a woman, regardless of what a person want's us to believe.

    Something like what? Download images from the Internet?

    Women are perfectly capable of heinous acts, the notion that perverse, violent or generally reprehensible acts are the sole preserve of men isn't rational.

    Look at Amelia Dyer, a Victorian era woman convicted and hanged for the callous murder of a number of babies, her actual death toll is thought to have been over 400 infants. A woman, a serial killer more prolific than any of her male contemporaries.

    Humans are capable of committing heinous acts, male female, or identifying as a bloody set of traffic lights. Humans are potentially dreadful creatures and the notion that gender plays a role in influencing someone to commit horrible crimes is misguided in the extreme.

    I can't stand the ultra PC notions surrounding issues of gender identity that the world is awash with in this day and age, it's way over the top and the popular consensus has swung from acceptable prejudice against anything deviating from the norm to accepting anything that is outside the norm without question, which isn't a healthy response, rather the guilty conscience of society attempting to over compensate for having been so exclusionary to these people in the past.

    With that said, in this case the persons gender or how they identify their gender is beside the point. They are indulging a socially unacceptable paraphilia which has nothing to do with their gender and they should be harshly punished for that transgression, something which I feel hasn't happened in this case and should be corrected.

    Glazers Out!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭dontmindme


    nullzero wrote: »
    Something like what? Download images from the Internet?

    Women are perfectly capable of heinous acts, the notion that perverse, violent or generally reprehensible acts are the sole preserve of men isn't rational.

    Look at Amelia Dyer, a Victorian era woman convicted and hanged for the callous murder of a number of babies, her actual death toll is thought to have been over 400 infants. A woman, a serial killer more prolific than any of her male contemporaries.


    Humans are capable of committing heinous acts, male female, or identifying as a bloody set of traffic lights. Humans are potentially dreadful creatures and the notion that gender plays a role in influencing someone to commit horrible crimes is misguided in the extreme.

    I can't stand the ultra PC notions surrounding issues of gender identity that the world is awash with in this day and age, it's way over the top and the popular consensus has swung from acceptable prejudice against anything deviating from the norm to accepting anything that is outside the norm without question, which isn't a healthy response, rather the guilty conscience of society attempting to over compensate for having been so exclusionary to these people in the past.

    With that said, in this case the persons gender or how they identify their gender is beside the point. They are indulging a socially unacceptable paraphilia which has nothing to do with their gender and they should be harshly punished for that transgression, something which I feel hasn't happened in this case and should be corrected.

    There is no argument to be made, it's a fact - male paedophiles greatly outnumber female paedophiles - do a bit of research.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,450 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    dontmindme wrote: »
    There is no argument to be made, it's a fact - male paedophiles greatly outnumber female paedophiles - do a bit of research.

    Did I say otherwise?

    No need to be so crabby.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,891 ✭✭✭SlowBlowin


    Males Vs Female sexual crime statistics

    https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1057/9781137358134_3


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭dontmindme


    nullzero wrote: »
    Did I say otherwise?

    No need to be so crabby.


    You were trying to argue the point that the OP was somehow wrong in his surprise in finding out that this paedophile was a woman.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,508 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    dontmindme wrote: »
    You were trying to argue the point that the OP was somehow wrong in his surprise in finding out that this paedophile was a woman.

    That's because statistically it very rarely is though. Over 95% of convicted paedophiles are male. So even though it can happen (though the example of Amelia Dyer is not one of a female paedophile) it's fair enough to be surprised when one does come across one. And trans women seem to have a male profile in their rates of violent and sex offences, according to links posted on here earlier.

    Reem Alsalem UNSR Violence Against Women and Girls: "Very concerned about statements by the IOC at Paris2024 (M)ultiple international treaties and national constitutions specifically refer to women & their fundamental rights, so the world (understands) what women -and men- are. (H)ow can one assess fairness and justice if we do not know who we are being fair and just to?"



  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭statesaver


    nullzero wrote: »
    Cops being more efficient?

    No. It's because they are men.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,450 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    dontmindme wrote: »
    You were trying to argue the point that the OP was somehow wrong in his surprise in finding out that this paedophile was a woman.

    I was arguing the point made that they couldn't believe I woman could do something like this.

    My point was that women are capable of being as evil as men, some even more so, even if the crimes aren't necessarily the same in all cases.

    The majority of paedophiles (95%) are men, but the numbers of female paedophiles that make up the remaining 5% aren't insignificant either.

    They're all sick people.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,308 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke


    nullzero wrote: »
    No adult with normal cognitive functions...

    Just a little bit from your post that piqued my interest. These people must not have normal cognitive functions if they're sexually aroused by, or attracted to, babies, children or young teens. So, if that is the case, is that a defence insofar as other crimes can take mental instability or deficiencies into account? Would it be an acceptable contributing factor?

    Playing devils advocate here, I personally think that person should be stoned to death, but we're not allowed to do that. Instead, we're gonna pay for their stay for 3 years before hoofing them out of the country, rather than just hoofing them out now and save ourselves a few bob.

    Crazy sentence tbf, but completely expected from Nolan. Actually shocked there a custodial sentence from him. The previous gender of the person shouldn't matter, but I agree it needs to be noted for statistics, which other posters above have better outlined why. There are points in there that warrant discussion, but it's like running across egg shells at this point so probably best not to get into it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Just to clarify why I brought up the perverts biological sex, when I read the article it stated that the offender was women.

    I was shocked that a women could do something like this. After reading the article it turns out the offender was a biological male. The stats show that males are more likely to commit this type of offence. So in that regard I don't go with the idea that this offender is a woman, regardless of what a person want's us to believe.

    And that's fine and interesting discussion, it's established as a dual talking point from the beginning. I didn't take issue with your OP btw,I just used it to make a point, because Kivaro has gone and then called out posts by people like me as being irrelevant to the topic at hand because they discussed the trasgender aspect, while posts like yours which which are equally irrelevant in that regard and initiated that end of the conversation (if we are to say that the child victims should be the sole focus of the discussion) are apparently fine by him/her.

    So then they have gone and t disingenuously insinuated that anybody disgusted by the idea that posters have equated paedophilia with being transgender are by extension defending the paedophile who happens to be transgender. He's tried to silence one side of debate by accusing them of defending paedophilia. Very very nasty and deceptive behaviour on their part, it's manipulative gaslighting.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,211 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    volchitsa wrote: »
    That's because statistically it very rarely is though. Over 95% of convicted paedophiles are male. So even though it can happen (though the example of Amelia Dyer is not one of a female paedophile) it's fair enough to be surprised when one does come across one. And trans women seem to have a male profile in their rates of violent and sex offences, according to links posted on here earlier.


    That just demonstrates that the links you refer to (and the link you’re trying to make), is based upon out of date information and cognitive bias. Here’s a more recent example of a person engaged in the same sort of behaviour as the person being referred to in the opening post -


    Woman sentenced over child pornography videos


    There’s also this -


    Between 2015 and 2019, the numbers of reported cases of female-perpetrated child sexual abuse to police in England and Wales rose from 1,249 to 2,297 - an increase of 84%.

    Dr Andrea Darling, a criminology researcher at Durham University - who has looked at 40 cases of male and female teachers who sexually abused students - said the File on 4 figures represented the "tip of the iceberg".

    She said that although all child sexual abuse was underreported, there was a particular "lack of understanding" of the extent of female-perpetrated abuse.

    "That means that potentially abusive behaviour that may have been picked up if the perpetrator had been a male is explained away," she said.

    "I've seen that consistently in my research."

    She added it was "fundamentally important" to understand a lot more about this kind of child sexual abuse.



    Female child sex abuse 'remains taboo' while victims struggle


    You’ve literally chosen to focus on one single aspect of the case in question to try and make your point, and in those circumstances it stands to reason that you would make the connections you’re making and draw the rather simplistic conclusions you have done, regardless of the fact that there isn’t enough information to determine if the person in question is a paedophile, and regardless of the fact that their behaviour has nothing to do with their sex or gender identity.

    Correlation is not causation, and you’re smart enough to know this, yet in spite of that fact you continue to perpetuate what you have to be fully aware of by now misleading information - the idea that biology could possibly influence behaviour. There is just no evidence to support the nonsense idea that behaviour is determined by sex.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,365 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    "Between 2015 and 2019, the numbers of reported cases of female-perpetrated child sexual abuse to police in England and Wales rose from 1,249 to 2,297 - an increase of 84%"

    Well when people like the person the OP is about is counted as female, its hard to know if the numbers really are rising that dramatically tbh.

    This article illustrates the problem perfectly. It's about the increase in female sex offenders and leads with a picture of a distinctly non female person, who has still been added to the stats anyway

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/truth-female-sex-offenders/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,211 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    "Between 2015 and 2019, the numbers of reported cases of female-perpetrated child sexual abuse to police in England and Wales rose from 1,249 to 2,297 - an increase of 84%"

    Well when people like the person the OP is about is counted as female, its hard to know if the numbers really are rising that dramatically tbh.

    This article illustrates the problem perfectly. It's about the increase in female sex offenders and leads with a picture of a distinctly non female person, who has still been added to the stats anyway

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/life/truth-female-sex-offenders/


    It’s not really, as those are the numbers of reported cases, that means cases reported by the victims themselves or by people who regarded the perpetrator as female. Even if what you’re suggesting were considered, it still wouldn’t account for the numbers behind the percentage rise - 1,249 to 2,297 over a period of four years.

    One holding your position would also have to consider the numbers of female perpetrators who would wish for their gender or sex to be recorded as male, and the fact that there has in recent years also been an increasing number of such cases being reported by victims -


    How An Online Love Affair Ended With A Trans Man Convicted Of Sexual Assault


    EDIT: The Telegraph requires registration to read the article. Any chance of an alternative source?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭John Doe1


    Is this the new left are talking about when they say they want diversity?

    Non-National, Non-Gender Conforming, Non-ce


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,024 ✭✭✭✭Baggly


    statesaver wrote: »
    No. It's because they are men.

    Mod

    In case there is any ambiguity; the user has been banned in line with the previous warning from the admins re: misgendering. Ensure you dont do the same.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    So then they have gone and t disingenuously insinuated that anybody disgusted by the idea that posters have equated paedophilia with being transgender are by extension defending the paedophile who happens to be transgender. He's tried to silence one side of debate by accusing them of defending paedophilia. Very very nasty and deceptive behaviour on their part, it's manipulative gaslighting.
    Between the LOL-ing and now this obvious lie, I will go ahead and put you on ignore ............ unless you can actually produce the quote where I said the bit in bold. The other posters on this thread know what you are doing, and they also know what exactly I said.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,707 ✭✭✭Bobblehats


    John Doe1 wrote: »
    Is this the new left are talking about when they say they want diversity?

    Non-National, Non-Gender Conforming, Non-ce

    This individual is quite the litany of quirks in one package. A whole host of depravity that makes your more traditional heroin addicted herbert look tame in comparison

    Like everything that alienated travis bickle in witnessing first hand the underbelly of New York City. Famously turning him into an avenging angel but I don’t consider Dublin town a city; it’ll always be a town. A remote northeast atlantic town that in the face of a wholly unnatural deluge of migration, from all angles should be left to its own devices. Is this the new cosmopolition vision we aspire to? How long before frustration boils over amongst one of the many and our own Palantine gets it in the neck?!


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    Kivaro wrote: »
    Between the LOL-ing and now this obvious lie, I will go ahead and put you on ignore ............ unless you can actually produce the quote where I said the bit in bold. The other posters on this thread know what you are doing, and they also know what exactly I said.
    Kivaro wrote: »
    Odd progression in this thread.
    The focus has apparently moved from protecting children, the victims of the perpetrator of these crimes, to protecting the transgressor of the crime.
    Maybe I'm wrong. The descriptors of the parties is more important than the actual crime itself .... upon pain of death.

    Who protected the paedophile in this thread? Or were you , as I said, equating arguments against slander of an entire minority group with protecting the paedophile who happens to be part of that minority group


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The Sun have published more details about what happened, this person mustn't have a gender recognition certificate as they are being held in the all male Midlands prison. Also they were offering child porn (and to procure children) to men who contacted them for sex and yet no one seems to have raised a red flag and reported it to the Gardai. The Gardai were informed of all of this because of an investigation by US authorities and seem to have had evidence of what was going on back in 2018

    https://www.thesun.ie/news/6769727/transgender-hooker-raking-horrific-videos-abused/amp/

    "Once contacted by clients, she asked them if they had an “interest” in children

    When some of the punters told her they also liked children, the sicko lied that she “had access” to many of the kids featured in the images and videos.

    She also sent images and videos - featuring children between the ages of two and sixteen - even when her customers said they had no interest in them."

    "Gardai under ‘Operation Ketch’ - established to identify the perverts engaged in distributing child abuse images - were contacted by the US National Centre for Exploited and Missing Children.

    The US-based group made contact with investigators here after establishing that De Souza had been using WhatsApp and Facebook to share the images and videos.

    Her home in Dublin’s south inner city was raided by officers from the Gardai’s South Central Divisional Protective Services Unit on September 29, 2018. During the raid, a phone and MacBook were seized.

    Gardai returned to her pad on August 19, 2019 after receiving further contact from the American group and another phone was seized.

    Following the two raids, the devices were sent to the Gardai’s Cyber Crime Bureau for analysis.

    Once examined, gardai established how they had contained thousands of horrific images and videos.

    Cyber Crime Bureau investigators established that some of the images were “unique” and had never been seen before on a database of previous disgusting videos and images of kids.

    And on July 28, 2020, De Souza met gardai by appointment to be arrested and handed over another phone which also contained other sickening images."


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    The Sun have published more details about what happened, this person mustn't have a gender recognition certificate as they are being held in the all male Midlands prison. Also they were offering child porn (and to procure children) to men who contacted them for sex and yet no one seems to have raised a red flag and reported it to the Gardai. The Gardai were informed of all of this because of an investigation by US authorities and seem to have had evidence of what was going on back in 2018

    https://www.thesun.ie/news/6769727/transgender-hooker-raking-horrific-videos-abused/amp/

    "Once contacted by clients, she asked them if they had an “interest” in children

    When some of the punters told her they also liked children, the sicko lied that she “had access” to many of the kids featured in the images and videos.

    She also sent images and videos - featuring children between the ages of two and sixteen - even when her customers said they had no interest in them."

    "Gardai under ‘Operation Ketch’ - established to identify the perverts engaged in distributing child abuse images - were contacted by the US National Centre for Exploited and Missing Children.

    The US-based group made contact with investigators here after establishing that De Souza had been using WhatsApp and Facebook to share the images and videos.

    Her home in Dublin’s south inner city was raided by officers from the Gardai’s South Central Divisional Protective Services Unit on September 29, 2018. During the raid, a phone and MacBook were seized.

    Gardai returned to her pad on August 19, 2019 after receiving further contact from the American group and another phone was seized.

    Following the two raids, the devices were sent to the Gardai’s Cyber Crime Bureau for analysis.

    Once examined, gardai established how they had contained thousands of horrific images and videos.

    Cyber Crime Bureau investigators established that some of the images were “unique” and had never been seen before on a database of previous disgusting videos and images of kids.

    And on July 28, 2020, De Souza met gardai by appointment to be arrested and handed over another phone which also contained other sickening images."

    Is it the case that she might have abused kids herself and made the videos then?


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,216 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Mod:

    Posts deleted, a reminder to read the admin warning in the OP before contributing to the topic


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