Private school teachers prioritised for vaccinations

is_that_so

thomas 123 wrote: »

My grandmother

Turned away yesterday as not enough vaccines to do everyone delivered.

Thanks for the personal attack by the way, really forwards your agenda of “this is okay”.

Fair enough but the question stands. What actual laws allow this arrest you're demanding?

dulpit

is_that_so wrote: »

I think you'll find it's a lack of actual facts on a trashy tabloid website that some are questioning.

I'm only going be the commentary, but if it turns out that the hospital had left over vaccines and they did send them to the private school, what would you say? Good choice or bad choice?

VinLieger

is_that_so wrote: »

I think you'll find it's a lack of actual facts on a trashy tabloid website that some are questioning.

The facts are clear, they had leftovers which should have gone to an already existing priority backup list that didn't skip over 7 other vaccine tiers.

is_that_so

VinLieger wrote: »

The facts are clear, they had leftovers which should have gone to an already existing priority backup list that didn't skip over 7 other vaccine tiers.

Leftovers is the only fact here, the rest is still speculation.

thomas 123

is_that_so wrote: »

Fair enough but the question stands. What actual laws allow this arrest you're demanding?

There’s none I’m sure but surely something can be done mate.

I may be being dramatic but sometimes it’s like Groundhog Day.

Something simple like a person in the HSE to call and ask, who is making these decisions like?

We have to remember that’s 20 people now that need to get a second dose ahead of others who may need it more.(if it’s one of the two dose versions)

djemba djemba

sydthebeat wrote: »

But instead they rang the local school.... Where the teachers interact with many more people per day than 'cops' or fire men

Shock horror....

From a quick count 9 schools primary and secondary within 5 km of the beacon

celt262

You would wonder did they think they could do this without word getting out and causing another storm.

is_that_so

dulpit wrote: »

I'm only going be the commentary, but if it turns out that the hospital had left over vaccines and they did send them to the private school, what would you say? Good choice or bad choice?

Their choice either way. I certainly wouldn't be sharpening up a pike regardless. So much of the frustration and anger is down with vaccine supplies. If we were doing the 250K a week promised this wouldn't even rear its head.

melekalikimaka

ActingDanClark wrote: »

Nutgrove fire station, loughlinstown ambulance base, and the local Garda station in dundrum are much closer, but they'd be working class people

If they're working class, who are the middle class?

maddison1

I'm sure there are a lot of creches close by too. Childcare workers have been working since June last year and absolutely no social distancing in a creche .

thomas 123

is_that_so wrote: »

Their choice either way. I certainly wouldn't be sharpening up a pike regardless. So much of the frustration with vaccine supplies. If we were doing the 250K a week promised this wouldn't even rear its head.

Why a private school 14km away?

What are the justifications vs another school closer?

^If this is true of course^

shtpEdthePlum

celt262 wrote: »

You would wonder did they think they could do this without word getting out and causing another storm.

Indicating this kind of arrogant entitlement goes unpunished all the time. I honestly think the CEO should face jail time. No expensive tribunal bull, just a criminal investigation with a sentence for theft.

melekalikimaka

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Didn't take like for the elite cabal to arrive on this thread

How it can be justified is disgusting

It was also clearly pre arranged . Here listen when I have some leftover I will ring you guys asap

We really are a horrible country

The HSE apologised for the error on their part, yet you feel the Beacon CEO planned this? Weird the HSE taking the hit for the CEO, i wonder did the HSE go to Gerards too?

celt262

shtpEdthePlum wrote: »

Indicating this kind of arrogant entitlement goes unpunished all the time. I honestly think the CEO should face jail time. No expensive tribunal bull, just a criminal investigation with a sentence for theft.

I doubt they are the only ones who have got it either there is a good chance he has looked after some of his buddies and relations as well before he moved down his list.

suicide_circus

celt262 wrote: »

You would wonder did they think they could do this without word getting out and causing another storm.

Well judging by the last thread about the master of the coombe giving spare vaccines to his kids rather than the people on the waiting list, most posters saw no issue with it.

ActingDanClark

Sweet.Science wrote: »

LauraLynn just down the road . Assume they have all be vaccinated though

I mentioned fire/ambulance/Garda as they'd be 24 hours

dulpit

is_that_so wrote: »

Their choice either way. I certainly wouldn't be sharpening up a pike regardless. So much of the frustration and anger is down with vaccine supplies. If we were doing the 250K a week promised this wouldn't even rear its head.

Why is it their choice? Surely the vaccine is Ireland's to dispense according to a set of priorities. Not the choice of a private hospital to look after their friends...

shtpEdthePlum

suicide_circus wrote: »

Well judging by the last thread about the master of the coombe giving spare vaccines to his kids rather than the people on the waiting list, moat posters saw no issue with it.

There's an ongoing tribunal so there clearly is actually a problem giving your friends, associates and relatives vaccines over other people.

Not to mention the other doses they'll have to get.

Private schools should be free anyway. Level playing field.

ActingDanClark

is_that_so wrote: »

The misguided outrage is strong with this one.

No outrage at all sadly, this event is all too predictable

FileNotFound

shtpEdthePlum wrote: »

Indicating this kind of arrogant entitlement goes unpunished all the time. I honestly think the CEO should face jail time. No expensive tribunal bull, just a criminal investigation with a sentence for theft.

Sounds lovely but i am not sure anyone can be charged for stealing things given to them.

Based on the info to date it would seem favoritism has resulted in a low tier group getting shots. Which is pretty sh1t, especially with many of us having elderly or at risk stuck at home.

Doubt we have any laws that can have any impact and with the number of shots the beacon will most likely give through the duration of this vaccination program probably not realistic for the Gov to do much about it.

We live in a country which has worked on who you know for years at all levels in society - not really a shock to see it raise its head here

melekalikimaka

I imagine if it was a public school, the outrage would be minimal

is_that_so

ActingDanClark wrote: »

No outrage at all sadly, this event is all too predictable

TBH whether AZ will send us 160K doses over this next week is a far bigger concern.

Treppen

is_that_so wrote: »

Fair enough but the question stands. What actual laws allow this arrest you're demanding?

Misappropriation of state funds

Sweet.Science

melekalikimaka wrote: »

The HSE apologised for the error on their part, yet you feel the Beacon CEO planned this? Weird the HSE taking the hit for the CEO, i wonder did the HSE go to Gerards too?

Did I blame the HSE ?

NomadicGray

melekalikimaka wrote: »

I imagine if it was a public school, the outrage would be minimal

It would never be a public school though

is_that_so

Treppen wrote: »

Misappropriation of state funds

The shots went into people and it's HSE guidelines in question, no laws. Judging by some comments here they are the last people in the world you'd want to vaccinate!

GLaDOS

I'd be sceptical of how leftover these leftovers were.

Sweet.Science

is_that_so wrote: »

TBH whether AZ will send us 160K doses over this next week is a far bigger concern.

What are you talking about. We can only deal with what we have now which is a very low supply . It puts much more emphasis of getting them into the arms of our most vulnerable. And private school teachers got vaccinated while our most vulnerable are still waiting

Its sick . You are looking at this from the wrong way .

Honestly the more you are replying the more these articles come to my head

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/election-2020/twitter-finds-no-evidence-of-mass-effort-by-bots-to-influence-coronavirus-debate-in-ireland-39095284.html

Busi_Girl08

melekalikimaka wrote: »

I imagine if it was a public school, the outrage would be minimal

If the Beacon CEO's kids happened to go to said public school I think the outrage would be as is and rightly so.

is_that_so

Sweet.Science wrote: »

What are you talking about. We can only deal with what we have now which is a very low supply . It puts much more emphasis of getting them into the arms of our most vulnerable. And private school teachers got vaccinated while our most vulnerable are still waiting

Its sick . You are looking at this from the wrong way .

160K extra shots means a lot more vulnerable people vaccinated quickly, so very much the right way to look at it.

thomas 123

is_that_so wrote: »

160K extra shots means a lot more vulnerable people vaccinated quickly, so very much the right way to look at it.

Obviously.

We have to work with what we have as the other poster said - with that in mind this is even more inappropriate.

melekalikimaka

melekalikimaka wrote: »

I imagine if it was a public school, the outrage would be minimal

Surely the issue isn’t private or public, it’s the fact that someone or some group had decided to send these vaccines to a school miles away when there were probably another 100 options to choose from.

It’s clearly an abuse of power, i have no issue at all teachers getting them but surely you just pick the closest school to the hospital, every vaccine counts and all that!

Sweet.Science

is_that_so wrote: »

160K extra shots means a lot more vulnerable people vaccinated quickly, so very much the right way to look at it.

Jesus how are you not getting this . We dont have them . So every vaccine at the moment is hugely important to our most vulnerable

But they went to teachers of the CEOs kids

There is a school 300 metres away if teachers were their no 1 priority

They could walk down to a few schools and ask them to pop up with loads of time to spare

is_that_so

thomas 123 wrote: »

Obviously.

We have to work with what we have as the other poster said - with that in mind this is even more inappropriate.

It's a minor news story. It'll hit Claire Byrne and all the rest of talk radio, there'll be clarifications, explanations, apologies even and maybe an internal review. Meanwhile, we'll hopefully have got another 80K+ vaccinated.

Leftwaffe

Still some yobs defending it I see. Some people would justify anything. Probably the same people who are in line to receive a vaccine from a similar episode to this. These are only the ones we know about too....

Absolutely disgusting news.

thomas 123

is_that_so wrote: »

It's a minor news story. It'll hit Claire Byrne and all the rest of talk radio, there'll be clarifications, explanations, apologies even and maybe an internal review. Meanwhile, we'll hopefully have got another 80K+ vaccinated.

Yeah it’s one that has come to light... minor this, okay to leak that, just a little bit of private data of autistic kids, just a few young women with cancer.

Country is going down the ****ter and so are many of the citizens.

dubrov

Sweet.Science wrote:

But they went to teachers of the CEOs kids

It would be one foolish CEO to get involved with this just to get their kid's teachers vaccinated.

They wouldn't normally make these decisions so would need to have quite a few people involved to pull it off.

A lot to risk for little gain

suicide_circus

is_that_so wrote: »

It's a minor news story.

Corruption is a non issue in Ireland.

Jane98

Deleted User wrote: »

No idea where my post went but...

I agree, insurance companies have siphoned an incalculable amount of money out of our pockets over the decades - money that should have gone into a robust universal healthcare system.

Maybe some day we'll be able to join the rest of the developed world and have ourselves a 20th century health service.

The insurance companies may get the large premiums but most of it is being paid back out to greedy private Consultants who are earning exorbitant amounts of money from the rotten system.

is_that_so

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Jesus how are you not getting this . We dont have them . So every vaccine at the moment is hugely important to our most vulnerable

But they went to teachers of the CEOs kids

There is a school 300 metres away if teachers were their no 1 priority

They could walk down to a few schools and ask them to pop up with loads of time to spare

I saw a man cross the road against a red light this morning. Still haven't recovered from the outrage! Seriously though it's beyond my control and IMO a very isolated incident whatever way it turns out. We really haven't had any of this type of drama since February!

NomadicGray

is_that_so wrote: »

It's a minor news story.

Only minor because those running the media are in the same class as those running The Beacon.

celt262

dubrov wrote: »

It would be one foolish CEO to get involved with this just to get their kid's teachers vaccinated.

They wouldn't normally make these decisions so would need to have quite a few people involved to pull it off.

A lot to risk for little gain

Its mind boggling really and i don't see how he will find a way to explain how he decided these were the best candidates for the "leftovers".

This would annoy me more than the other guy looking after his relations.

NomadicGray

Leftwaffe wrote: »

Still some yobs defending it I see. Some people would justify anything. Probably the same people who are in line to receive a vaccine from a similar episode to this. These are only the ones we know about too....

Absolutely disgusting news.

Its like those troglodytes who dont want to tax the rich. They either think they are the same class as these corrupt wretches or soon will be. Of course they're not and will only ever help the gulf between them increase.

is_that_so

NomadicGray wrote: »

Only minor because those running the media are in the same class as those running The Beacon.

Hmm 160K shots not arriving next week v 20 shots that went to allegedly undeserving people? No contest I'm afraid. There'll be gnashing of teeth over it, maybe even for a few days and then it'll fade away.

fergiesfolly

Did they have 20 vials opened at the same time? Doesn't seem an efficient way to use their allotted batches.
Why didn't they finish one before opening another?
If the story hadn't gotten out, would there have been another 20 doses "left over" a day or two later?

Apoapsis Rex

They will have to be given 20 more for the 2nd dose. And they won't be spare doses.

thomas 123

is_that_so wrote: »

Hmm 160K shots not arriving next week v 20 shots that went to undeserving people? No contest I'm afraid. There'll be gnashing of teeth over it, maybe even for a few days and then it'll fade away.

Was this event okay then in your opinion?

If yes is it now okay for every vaccination center to do the same going forward?

celt262

is_that_so wrote: »

I saw a man cross the road against a red light this morning. Still haven't recovered from the outrage! Seriously though it's beyond my control and IMO a very isolated incident whatever way it turns out. We really haven't had any of this type of drama since February!

I would put my life savings on it (which is SFA) that this CEO has been looking after others with the leftovers and that this is no isolated incident. Hopefully there will be an audit of the Beacons vaccinations now.

NomadicGray

is_that_so wrote: »

Hmm 160K shots not arriving next week v 20 shots that went to allegedly undeserving people? No contest I'm afraid. There'll be gnashing of teeth over it, maybe even for a few days and then it'll fade away.

Of course it will, its exactly how these things get presented. It shouldnt be and anyone who thinks that way is surely an odious twat

GLaDOS

fergiesfolly wrote: »

Did they have 20 vials opened at the same time? Doesn't seem an efficient way to use their allotted batches.
Why didn't they finish one before opening another?
If the story hadn't gotten out, would there have been another 20 doses "left over" a day or two later?

Each vial contains about 6 doses I think (depending on the vaccine used), so translates to maybe 3 or 4 vials. Your point is still valid though.