Private school teachers prioritised for vaccinations

First Up

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

The HSE had no involvement in this until after the fact. You know this.

Well maybe when the investigation is carried out we will know everything that happened. In the meantime, here's my understanding of it:

- The Beacon was appointed as a vaccine distribution center by the HSE

- The HSE managed the vaccination booking system

- The HSE told the Beacon they had arranged for 1,269 people to present for
vaccination on the day in question and the Beacon prepared 1,269 vaccines

- There were 200 no shows

- The Beacon told the HSE about the no shows, at which point the HSE
realised they had double booked 200.

- The vaccines had been opened in readiness for use and had to be used
within a few hours.

- The HSE undertook to arrange for 200 front line workers to get the surplus
vaccines. With less than two hours to go before the vaccines expired, the
HSE told the Beacon that 5 of the vaccines were not going to be used.

- The Beacon decided to find other users for the 5 vaccines and contacted St
Gerard's School. The number of surplus vaccines was subsequently
increased to 20

- St Gerard's says it was told by the Beacon that the arrangement had been
agreed with the HSE.

- 20 teachers from St Gerard's school went to the Beacon and got vaccinated before the vaccines expired.

The above summarises what I have seen in media reports and the statements from the Beacon. I have not seen anything from the HSE, other than them distancing themselves from the arrangement with St Gerard's.

I don't know anything about the communications between the Beacon and the HSE, or why the Beacon didn't give the spare vaccines to patients in their own premises, or why the Beacon chose to use St Gerard's to dispose of a small number of vaccines, or how St Gerard's nominated the 5 (later 20) teachers who would get the vaccines.

If anyone has information that adds to (or contradicts) any of the above, they are welcome to share it. Facts only please. Otherwise lets wait for Eugene McCague.

jmayo

I see someone is signing up to the Trump playbook of saying something often enough in the hope that people start to actually belief.

The HSE had no contact with the school.

Oh and the principals lost the right to anonymity when they decided to take up an offer of vaccines for some of their staff, despite it not being in any way their turn.

Anyone, but those that see this "you scratch my back I scratch yours, it is who I know" as a valid way of doing things in life despite the point there are some who are way more deserving, sees this whole thing as a case of looking after your mates and two fingers to the rest of us.

This isn't simply about jumping a queue and getting in early for something, it could actually mean someones life.

And by the looks of things there are a good few posters around here who would love us to go back to the days when the rich and entitled ones were the first into the lifeboats.

almostover

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/health-news/fresh-outbreak-covid-19-under-23824311

Surprised this hasn't gained more media attention. I know of a person who has had planned surgery cancelled twice this week due to staff shortages.

First Up

jmayo wrote:

The HSE had no contact with the school.

Has anyone say they did?

Princess Calla

almostover wrote: »

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/health-news/fresh-outbreak-covid-19-under-23824311

Surprised this hasn't gained more media attention. I know of a person who has had planned surgery cancelled twice this week due to staff shortages.

The timing really couldn't be worse!

I do think there's an argument for anyone that has an overnight stay (or more than 2 nights or something) to get a vaccine.

I personally know a few people that went in with one thing and caught covid and sadly didn't make it.....now they could equally have died regardless.

josip

First Up wrote: »

I think it was the HSE who told the school they couldn't use all of the vaccines. Who else could it have been?

jmayo wrote: »

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The HSE had no contact with the school.
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First Up wrote: »

jmayo wrote: »

The HSE had no contact with the school.

Has anyone say they did?

This is getting ridiculous.

First Up

josip wrote:

This is getting ridiculous.

Mea culpa - my typo; It should have read the HSE told the Beacon they couldn't use all the vaccines.

Cyrus

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

No, that's not what it means. It's a vaccine like all others.

It:
A, greatly reduces the chance of getting the illness but does not eliminate it
B, where a person still gets sick, their body fights the illness much more effectively thereby reducing symptoms
C, by fighting the illness quicker it reduces the ability of the virus to utilize the carrier and spread.

How effective across the board is in the air as it's new. Some will probable prove to be better then others. If we require boosters or not. Time is needed to determine all of this.

You can still get the flu, chicken pox, etc even after being vaccinated.

thats what i said just worded differently.

Princess Calla

jmayo wrote: »

I see someone is signing up to the Trump playbook of saying something often enough in the hope that people start to actually belief.

The HSE had no contact with the school.

Oh and the principals lost the right to anonymity when they decided to take up an offer of vaccines for some of their staff, despite it not being in any way their turn.

Anyone, but those that see this "you scratch my back I scratch yours, it is who I know" as a valid way of doing things in life despite the point there are some who are way more deserving, sees this whole thing as a case of looking after your mates and two fingers to the rest of us.

This isn't simply about jumping a queue and getting in early for something, it could actually mean someones life.

And by the looks of things there are a good few posters around here who would love us to go back to the days when the rich and entitled ones were the first into the lifeboats.

From gerards statement they are saying that they thought they had the HSE's permission...... basically washing their hands of it....doing a pontius pilate onit is fitting considering it's easter

First Up

Princess Calla wrote:

From gerards statement they are saying that they thought they had the she's permission...... basically washing their hands of it....doing a pontius pilate onit is fitting considering it's easter

I don't think that is fair. If Gerard's were told it was cleared by the HSE they were acting in good faith. Who could blame them for accepting an offer of vaccines?

Presumably the investigation will confirm who said what to who.

KathleenGrant

If I was a teacher in St Gerard's not offered the vaccine I could live with it. However if I was a teacher not offered the vaccine and colleagues of mine were asked to not divulge that they were vaccinated I would be livid.

If the selection was done fairly I would see no need for secrecy. But what is fair?

Someone vulnerable
Someone in their 60's
Someone living with an extremely vulnerable parent
Someone with a vulnerable partner/child at home.

Like i say the vaccinations I could live with even if not totally fair. The secrecy surrounding it from colleagues i could not.

Brendan Bendar

KathleenGrant wrote: »

If I was a teacher in St Gerard's not offered the vaccine I could live with it. However if I was a teacher not offered the vaccine and colleagues of mine were asked to not divulge that they were vaccinated I would be livid.

If the selection was done fairly I would see no need for secrecy. But what is fair?

Someone vulnerable
Someone in their 60's
Someone living with an extremely vulnerable parent
Someone with a vulnerable partner/child at home.

Like i say the vaccinations I could live with even if not totally fair. The secrecy surrounding it from colleagues i could not.

Following the ‘crystal clear’ protocol, I reckon.

jmayo

First Up wrote: »

Mea culpa - my typo; It should have read the HSE told the Beacon they couldn't use all the vaccines.

Yeah school and Beacon are so easily mistyped.

Did you learn latin at your school ?

First Up wrote: »

I don't think that is fair. If Gerard's were told it was cleared by the HSE they were acting in good faith. Who could blame them for accepting an offer of vaccines?

Presumably the investigation will confirm who said what to who.

Yeah because the HSE are telling vaccine dispensers to give away spare vaccines to people that are way down the agreed pecking order list and most especially to ones that are miles away from the actual location.


PS who made the decision that everyone should keep stum about this to their colleagues ?

You must think we all came down in the last shower. :rolleyes:

KathleenGrant

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Following the ‘crystal clear’ protocol, I reckon.

What 'crystal clear' protocol is that?

BettyS

Covid outbreak in the Beacon hospital

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.dublinlive.ie/news/health/beacon-hospital-scandal-covid-19-20291975.amp

BettyS

I feel a bit of schadenfreude when I think of the CEO gleefully thinking how his children will benefit from more attention and favouritism by his teachers after the little gift. That definitely didn’t work out as he planned. I suspect, with all due respect to the professionalism of the teachers, that it will be very challenging for them to teach the CEO’s children now. On a less gleeful note, the poor children will suffer a lot because of the stupidity of their father

KathleenGrant

BettyS wrote: »

I feel a bit of schadenfreude when I think of the CEO gleefully thinking how his children will benefit from more attention and favouritism by his teachers after the little gift. That definitely didn’t work out as he planned. I suspect, with all due respect to the professionalism of the teachers, that it will be very challenging for them to teach the CEO’s children now. On a less gleeful note, the poor children will suffer a lot because of the stupidity of their father

I think gleefully and gleeful are not used correctly here and I also think you underestimate or totally misunderstand the professionalism of teachers.

steddyeddy

KathleenGrant wrote: »

What 'crystal clear' protocol is that?

The priority list the HSE outlined after the last nepotism scandal.

BettyS

KathleenGrant wrote: »

I think gleefully and gleeful are not used correctly here and I also think you underestimate or totally misunderstand the professionalism of teachers.

Wow! I bow to your superiority! Correct the point, not the grammar or semantics. No need to be obnoxious, Kathleen. This is a forum between adults, not a classroom.

byhookorbycrook

BettyS wrote: »

Wow! I bow to your superiority! Correct the point, not the grammar or semantics. No need to be obnoxious, Kathleen. This is a forum between adults, not a classroom.

I think you misunderstood the post . Teachers wouldn’t be “ gleeful” about the outbreak .

jmayo

BettyS wrote: »

I feel a bit of schadenfreude when I think of the CEO gleefully thinking how his children will benefit from more attention and favouritism by his teachers after the little gift. That definitely didn’t work out as he planned. I suspect, with all due respect to the professionalism of the teachers, that it will be very challenging for them to teach the CEO’s children now. On a less gleeful note, the poor children will suffer a lot because of the stupidity of their father

They might in the short term because teachers will not want to be seen to be giving them any preferential treatment.
But in the long term they will benefit hugely from Daddy and his connections.

People will remember daddy looks after people connected to them.

This is Ireland, just look at a lot of the posters here that see nothing wrong with what he did.
These people would break their necks to be friends with him and his kids.

BettyS

jmayo wrote: »

They might in the short term because teachers will not want to be seen to be giving them any preferential treatment.
But in the long term they will benefit hugely from Daddy and his connections.

People will remember daddy looks after people connected to them.

This is Ireland, just look at a lot of the posters here that see nothing wrong with what he did.
These people would break their necks to be friends with him and his kids.

Will it ever change here? Is there anywhere that is more of a meritocracy?

First Up

jmayo wrote:

Did you learn latin at your school ?

Ouch. That really hurt.

KathleenGrant

BettyS wrote: »

Wow! I bow to your superiority! Correct the point, not the grammar or semantics. No need to be obnoxious, Kathleen. This is a forum between adults, not a classroom.

I am not a teacher. I didn't feel I was acting superior but if you see it that way read it back after the rest of my post. It was not about grammar or semantics. I certainly did not intend to be obnoxious. I was just pointing out that nobody in the current climate would be "gleeful" or react "gleefully" if any person or group got the virus.

First Up

jmayo wrote:

Yeah because the HSE are telling vaccine dispensers to give away spare vaccines to people that are way down the agreed pecking order list and most especially to ones that are miles away from the actual location.

I'm simply telling you that the school said they were told by the Beacon it had been agreed by the HSE. The McCague investigation should be able to find out if that is true.

caveat emptor

First Up wrote: »

I'm simply telling you that the school said they were told by the Beacon it had been agreed by the HSE. The McCague investigation should be able to find out if that is true.

That's like getting caught robbing and saying my esteemed learned friend who we are paying will decide if any fraud was indeed committed. :pac:

Just because it's a private company doesn't mean they can pick a corporate lawyer to 'investigate', issue a report saying it was a big misunderstanding.

Sure everyone would do that.

"Sorry you were speeding......"

"Well gord, don't worry about it. I'll get my barrister friend to investigate and get back to ya"

I'd say they'd entertain that alright.

bucketybuck

JimmyVik wrote: »

I would. So would anyone ive spoken to about it.

Would anyone admit publicly that they would? No.

Don't agree with this at all, far too simplistic.

I would absolutely refuse the vaccine if offered it under the table right now. Why? Because I'm not one bit scared of getting covid. Couldn't give a toss about it, getting the vaccine won't make me feel one bit safer.

Fact is that a vaccine won't improve my life one bit, but what would is everybody else getting a vaccine so that I will be allowed to go and live a normal life again. If I get a vaccine I'm still not allowed to do things I enjoy, but if some vulnerable person gets it I'm at least a step closer to that normality end goal.

I'll take the vaccine when my turn comes, absolutely, but if I get a phone call tonight saying come for a sneaky jab then I am saying no and telling them to give it to a better candidate. And that isn't some internet boast, thats just plain logic and common sense.

First Up

caveat emptor wrote:

That's like getting caught robbing and saying my esteemed learned friend who we are paying will decide if any fraud was indeed committed.

I see you are approaching it with an open mind.

caveat emptor

Yeah completely impartial.
Will be very impartial no doubt.


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Treppen

KathleenGrant wrote: »

If I was a teacher in St Gerard's not offered the vaccine I could live with it. However if I was a teacher not offered the vaccine and colleagues of mine were asked to not divulge that they were vaccinated I would be livid.

If the selection was done fairly I would see no need for secrecy. But what is fair?

Someone vulnerable
Someone in their 60's
Someone living with an extremely vulnerable parent
Someone with a vulnerable partner/child at home.

Like i say the vaccinations I could live with even if not totally fair. The secrecy surrounding it from colleagues i could not.

No doubt the principal would have to be selective as to who to ring...

Unless there was an attempt to contact everybody... and so what then if the principal contacted everyone, that would have been too many... And a judgement as to who needed it the most would have to be made.

Either way the CEO of the beacon handed the principal a Sophie's Choice.

I know at least two teachers in my school who would be in serious need of the vaccine (family risk) but have not revealed it to the principal or anyone else.

Unless maybe the principal held a raffle....

steddyeddy

I just looked up the updates on this story.

So the Beacon rang up St. Gerard's, the school say that the Beacon claim the HSE authorised the vaccinations to staff there, the staff believed that they couldn't find someone more suitable (cancer patients ect) and finally the HSE said that the Beacon's account about HSE authorisation is not accurate.

Whoever's in the wrong here it looks bad. A private school, a private hospital or a health board may be lying. We should be embarrassed that some people embrace this state of affairs.

Princess Calla

steddyeddy wrote: »

I just looked up the updates on this story.

So the Beacon rang up St. Gerard's, the school say that the Beacon claim the HSE authorised the vaccinations to staff there, the staff believed that they couldn't find someone more suitable (cancer patients ect) and finally the HSE said that the Beacon's account about HSE authorisation is not accurate.

Whoever's in the wrong here it looks bad. A private school, a private hospital or a health board may be lying. We should be embarrassed that some people embrace this state of affairs.

As I said earlier gerards have washed their hands of it. They have kicked the ball firmly back into the ceo's corner.

I doubt we will ever know the conversation word for word. Gerards will stick to their story that they asked the ceo if everything was above board.

The HSE will hold firm that there is a priority listing issued and no one should deviate from it. I suspect this is true after the Coombe fiasco.

So both are squarely pointing the finger at the CEO.

I do find it interesting that both the principal of the junior school and headmaster of the senior school entered into discussion about the initial 5 vaccinations.

That might be normal due process for the school that everything gets discussed between both faculties. Though for 5 doses in a "time sensitive scenario" it seems abit overkill....the cynic in me is thinking safety in numbers , they both can't be fired (or so they assume) .

But again I'd love to know how the first 5 were selected and the subsequent 15.

Staff morale is definitely going to be an issue next term.

KathleenGrant

Treppen wrote: »

No doubt the principal would have to be selective as to who to ring...

Unless there was an attempt to contact everybody... and so what then if the principal contacted everyone, that would have been too many... And a judgement as to who needed it the most would have to be made.

Either way the CEO of the beacon handed the principal a Sophie's Choice.

I know at least two teachers in my school who would be in serious need of the vaccine (family risk) but have not revealed it to the principal or anyone else.

Unless maybe the principal held a raffle....

Was the choice yes or no or was the choice who to choose? Principal could have said no..Principal might have contacted people on staff who genuinely needed it. Principal might be able to stand over who they chose. Unforgivable thing for me is the secrecy, if it's secret that means something is wrong.

expectationlost

https://twitter.com/hughescraig90/status/1377389407309721601

surely most healthcare workers have the first jab by now, is this system needed anymore?

KathleenGrant

expectationlost wrote: »

https://twitter.com/hughescraig90/status/1377389407309721601

surely most healthcare workers have the first jab by now, is this system needed anymore?

Ah here, St. Gerard's and HSE employee to one side, this country is a cesspit of corruption and deceit. And the worst of it all? I am not even surprised.

AndrewJRenko

First Up wrote: »

I have not seen anything from the HSE, other than them distancing themselves from the arrangement with St Gerard's.

I don't know anything about the communications between the Beacon and the HSE, or why the Beacon didn't give the spare vaccines to patients in their own premises, or why the Beacon chose to use St Gerard's to dispose of a small number of vaccines, or how St Gerard's nominated the 5 (later 20) teachers who would get the vaccines.
.

So why did you make up the stuff about the HSE approving the vaccines for the teachers?

expectationlost

RoseStick wrote: »

I am a healthcare assistant and I received a vaccine at the end of a vaccine clinic. I went down the route of signing up to the hse portal for the vaccine. I wasn't expecting the vaccine so quick. My employer rang me one day to say there's a clinic popping up and recommended for me to leave my phone on all the time, to have it charged, to have it on me at all times.

Eventually I got a call to say there's a vaccine available. I made it my business to turn up for the vaccine.

I work in the country and I don't know anyone in Dublin and I don't know any of the teachers who were vaccinated. I'm telling my story about how I was added to the end of a vaccine clinic.

I can't see anything wrong with what happened from the Beacon. They were probably dipping into the community for one or 2 or 3 people in case there were any vaccine spares at the end of a clinic. It's possible one or two people from the school were put on standby and then when the day came and progressed, they got a call to gather 20 people. They probably never anticipated 20 no-shows and 20 spares. There will be a lot more of this as time goes on. The vaccines are just so precious. Clinics will have to dip into communities to use up any spares at the end of clinics. I don't think it's very fair to put vulnerable people into a standby mode for a couple of days in case a vaccine becomes available for them. I think that might cause more harm than good. I know if my mother got a call like that, that would cause her anxiety. I think it's only fair to give those on the list to receive the vaccine, an appointment for a guaranteed vaccine and not leave them hanging and waiting in case one becomes available.

Who are people to say these teachers are not worthy of a vaccine? Nobody here knows them or their circumstances. My vaccine has provided a level of protection for myself but also to my family and my work and my partner too. So I don't see 20 vulnerable people denied vaccine. I see 20 more people vaccinated that will lead to less spread of this disease.

they got the vaccine because of their connection to the CEO's children

First Up

AndrewJRenko wrote:

So why did you make up the stuff about the HSE approving the vaccines for the teachers?

I didn't. I just repeated that St Gerard's says the Beacon told them it was approved by the HSE.

plodder

expectationlost wrote: »

https://twitter.com/hughescraig90/status/1377389407309721601

surely most healthcare workers have the first jab by now, is this system needed anymore?

Some level of error and abuse is to be expected, but they should go back and audit it. One hopes that people had to show some form of photo ID that could be checked afterwards. It may be more time consuming to do that which is why it can't be done up front.

Cyrus

KathleenGrant wrote: »

This country is a cesspit of corruption and deceit. And the worst of it all? I am not even surprised.

Hyperbolic nonsense

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index#:~:text=South%20Sudan%20is%20also%20perceived,out%20of%20100%20in%202018.

jmayo

First Up wrote: »

I see you are approaching it with an open mind.

By the looks of it your mind is so open it is equivalent to a prairie.

BTW ever heard that wise old saying
"if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's a bloody duck" ?

First Up

jmayo wrote:

BTW ever heard that wise old saying "if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's a bloody duck" ?

Are you calling the doctors in the Beacon quacks?

RoseStick

expectationlost wrote: »

they got the vaccine because of their connection to the CEO's children

No one here knows that. No one here knows the health status of the principal and the hospital is not in a position to announce it to the world either. He doesn't look too far off from a qualifying age to receive vaccine and I fail to be angered and raged at the news here from the beacon. At the end of the day there's 20 more people vaccinated and vaccines have not been wasted. Hopefully there will be a ramp up in the vaccination programme as promised.

There will be more of this happening as time goes on from vaccine clinics, dipping into communities. Ireland is such a small place. Eventually there's going to be cross over in people knowing each other like from bigger towns. The media is going to latch on and make some dirt out from it when there's nothing to be angered about. Some people would probably prefer to see vaccines dumped if the vaccine list can't be followed exactly. I don't think it's an easy task to gather people up for adding onto the end of a vaccine clinic. My understanding is that GPS are organising a lot for their patients and making appointments for them at vaccine clinics. A clinic would need to contact a GPS surgery to move down the list of who's next in line. What if a local surgery is out at lunch or break and aren't taking calls for an hour? Or just busy taking calls with the general practice. It really isn't an easy task move down the vaccine list when it comes to using up spares at the end of a clinic and I think clinics will have to dip into local communities but it also had to be done as cleverly as possible. To give any spared to those who those who may risk covid through their jobs and I would think teachers especially primary school and crèches are the most vulnerable especially crèches. You can't social distanced from small babies and toddlers who rely on adults for help. Gardai would also be somewhat vulnerable due to their job and threats from the public. The media is going to latch onto this sh:t and try make a scandalous story out from this. There's no scanal here. Vaccines have been used in people. That's all that matters.

steddyeddy

RoseStick wrote: »

No one here knows that. No one here knows the health status of the principal and the hospital is not in a position to announce it to the world either. He doesn't look too far off from a qualifying age to receive vaccine and I fail to be angered and raged at the news here from the beacon. At the end of the day there's 20 more people vaccinated and vaccines have not been wasted. Hopefully there will be a ramp up in the vaccination programme as promised.

There will be more of this happening as time goes on from vaccine clinics, dipping into communities. Ireland is such a small place. Eventually there's going to be cross over in people knowing each other like from bigger towns. The media is going to latch on and make some dirt out from it when there's nothing to be angered about. Some people would probably prefer to see vaccines dumped if the vaccine list can't be followed exactly. I don't think it's an easy task to gather people up for adding onto the end of a vaccine clinic. My understanding is that GPS are organising a lot for their patients and making appointments for them at vaccine clinics. A clinic would need to contact a GPS surgery to move down the list of who's next in line. What if a local surgery is out at lunch or break and aren't taking calls for an hour? Or just busy taking calls with the general practice. It really isn't an easy task move down the vaccine list when it comes to using up spares at the end of a clinic and I think clinics will have to dip into local communities but it also had to be done as cleverly as possible. To give any spared to those who those who may risk covid through their jobs and I would think teachers especially primary school and crèches are the most vulnerable especially crèches. You can't social distanced from small babies and toddlers who rely on adults for help. Gardai would also be somewhat vulnerable due to their job and threats from the public. The media is going to latch onto this sh:t and try make a scandalous story out from this. There's no scanal here. Vaccines have been used in people. That's all that matters.

Why are the defendants of these actions ignoring the facts in their defence. You and first up were defending the actions by suggesting that "there might be medical reasons" or "we don't know the health of those vaccinated".

The board of the Beacon, not just the CEO mind but the entire board stated that these vaccinations were not in line with the sequencing guidelines and therefore, the vaccinations were not based on priority.

“The fact that the board of the Beacon Hospital has now confirmed that the decision to offer the vaccines ‘was not in line with the sequencing guidelines in place from the HSE’ is deeply concerning,” said John Behan, chairman of the school’s board of directors.

It's not a case of 20 people are now vaccinated so no problem. The vaccine is dispensed in two doses. Those who receive a first does are usually given an
appointment a set time apart from their first dose. When the teachers In Gerard's got vaccinations ahead of cancer patients living near the Beacon they also knocked more people further down the list as another appointment for the second dose is required within 2-4 weeks.

Also the reason why some people are higher priority is that they are at much greater risk of dying from covid. I'll repeat, the Beacon CEO personally rang teacher's in his kid's school ahead of cancer patients living near the hospital who are much more likely to die from this virus. He put people at increased risk based on nepotism.

Your post clearly disagrees with the fact that some groups are at greater risk of dying from covid than others and all that matters is "people have vaccinations and that's all that matters".

caveat emptor

jmayo wrote: »

By the looks of it your mind is so open it is equivalent to a prairie.

BTW ever heard that wise old saying
"if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's a bloody duck" ?

The first order of business for the kangaroo court / internal investigation should be whether there was the potential for bribery.

Obviously the whole matter came about because the CEO's kids just so happened to attend the private school 13km away.

Now it'll be nigh on impossible to establish this due to the Omertà as Joe Duffy put it or the fact you can't mention he has children.

I don't think it's necessary to speculate on this. It either is or it isn't. This leaving cert year is the first year where people can influence their chances of their kids going to college. This could be a general problem as opposed to this specific case.

jmayo

RoseStick wrote: »

No one here knows that. No one here knows the health status of the principal and the hospital is not in a position to announce it to the world either. He doesn't look too far off from a qualifying age to receive vaccine and I fail to be angered and raged at the news here from the beacon. At the end of the day there's 20 more people vaccinated and vaccines have not been wasted. Hopefully there will be a ramp up in the vaccination programme as promised.

There will be more of this happening as time goes on from vaccine clinics, dipping into communities. Ireland is such a small place. Eventually there's going to be cross over in people knowing each other like from bigger towns. The media is going to latch on and make some dirt out from it when there's nothing to be angered about. Some people would probably prefer to see vaccines dumped if the vaccine list can't be followed exactly. I don't think it's an easy task to gather people up for adding onto the end of a vaccine clinic. My understanding is that GPS are organising a lot for their patients and making appointments for them at vaccine clinics. A clinic would need to contact a GPS surgery to move down the list of who's next in line. What if a local surgery is out at lunch or break and aren't taking calls for an hour? Or just busy taking calls with the general practice. It really isn't an easy task move down the vaccine list when it comes to using up spares at the end of a clinic and I think clinics will have to dip into local communities but it also had to be done as cleverly as possible. To give any spared to those who those who may risk covid through their jobs and I would think teachers especially primary school and crèches are the most vulnerable especially crèches. You can't social distanced from small babies and toddlers who rely on adults for help. Gardai would also be somewhat vulnerable due to their job and threats from the public. The media is going to latch onto this sh:t and try make a scandalous story out from this. There's no scanal here. Vaccines have been used in people. That's all that matters.

What an absolute load of unadulterated bullshyte.
Or maybe it's horseshyte, either way it is shyte.

1. For a start it is not up to the CEO of a hospital to decide who should or should not get bumped up the list to get a vaccine.

2. There is a fixed order as to what people get priority to the vaccine which is based on how severely they would be affected if they caught the virus.
i.e. for the the ones with their heads somewhere for the last year, everyone is not equally likely to die from covid and thus the vaccine rollout is based on who is mostly likely to die or end up in hospital/ICU, not who you happen to know.

3. The vaccine would not be dumped, it wasn't a case of Gerards or nothing.
There were patients in rooms in the hospital that could have been vaccinated.
There were patients living nearby to the hospital that could have vaccinated.
There are lots of GPs that could have been contacted.
I am sure all the GP practices in South County Dublin were not all out to lunch for the late afternoon. :rolleyes:

4. Gerards is no way part of the community in which the Beacon is sited.

5. This is not a sh i t story and yes it is a scandal.
Only clowns who normally prosper from connections think otherwise.

PS try and be less obvious than two posts into your posting history come out with such garbage.

Mrsmum

RoseStick wrote: »

No one here knows that. No one here knows the health status of the principal and the hospital is not in a position to announce it to the world either. He doesn't look too far off from a qualifying age to receive vaccine and I fail to be angered and raged at the news here from the beacon. At the end of the day there's 20 more people vaccinated and vaccines have not been wasted. Hopefully there will be a ramp up in the vaccination programme as promised.

There will be more of this happening as time goes on from vaccine clinics, dipping into communities. Ireland is such a small place. Eventually there's going to be cross over in people knowing each other like from bigger towns. The media is going to latch on and make some dirt out from it when there's nothing to be angered about. Some people would probably prefer to see vaccines dumped if the vaccine list can't be followed exactly. I don't think it's an easy task to gather people up for adding onto the end of a vaccine clinic. My understanding is that GPS are organising a lot for their patients and making appointments for them at vaccine clinics. A clinic would need to contact a GPS surgery to move down the list of who's next in line. What if a local surgery is out at lunch or break and aren't taking calls for an hour? Or just busy taking calls with the general practice. It really isn't an easy task move down the vaccine list when it comes to using up spares at the end of a clinic and I think clinics will have to dip into local communities but it also had to be done as cleverly as possible. To give any spared to those who those who may risk covid through their jobs and I would think teachers especially primary school and crèches are the most vulnerable especially crèches. You can't social distanced from small babies and toddlers who rely on adults for help. Gardai would also be somewhat vulnerable due to their job and threats from the public. The media is going to latch onto this sh:t and try make a scandalous story out from this. There's no scanal here. Vaccines have been used in people. That's all that matters.

You're in the post office at Christmas and the queue is out the door and round the corner. All types of people in the queue with lots of older and frail looking people too, all taking their turn. But then the person behind the counter suddenly stands up and says - hey Mary, Jack, Suzie, Gordon etc for twenty names out of the queue, come on up here to the top of the queue, shure don't I know ye. Don't ye be minding any old queue. So would you be fine with that. Well Beacon/St Gerards situation far far worse, could be life and death worse.

JDD

Rosestick, I don't think you quite understand the concept of corruption.

There were guidelines. The Beacon did not follow the guidelines. Not only did they breach the guidelines, they breached them in a manner that benefited the person making the decision to breach the guidelines.

This breach may have resulted in putting certain individuals at risk of dying, when in fact they could - had the Beacon followed the guidelines - been immunised.

Not only is this not acceptable, it is close to criminal negligence, if not actually crossing the threshold for it.

I'm just flabbergasted that people are trying to excuse this.

Cyrus

JDD wrote: »

This breach may have resulted in putting certain individuals at risk of dying, when in fact they could - had the Beacon followed the guidelines - been immunised.

Not only is this not acceptable, it is close to criminal negligence, if not actually crossing the threshold for it.

I'm just flabbergasted that people are trying to excuse this.

i am flabbergasted that you think this constitutes criminal negligence,

i hope you aren't a practicing solicitor.

AndrewJRenko

RoseStick wrote: »

No one here knows that. No one here knows the health status of the principal and the hospital is not in a position to announce it to the world either. He doesn't look too far off from a qualifying age to receive vaccine and I fail to be angered and raged at the news here from the beacon. At the end of the day there's 20 more people vaccinated and vaccines have not been wasted. Hopefully there will be a ramp up in the vaccination programme as promised.

No one here knows the health status of principal and teachers in the six other schools that are much closer to the Beacon, but were passed over in favour of the school that the Beacon CEO's kids attend.

You can choose not to be angered if you wish, but this was very poor practice by a health institution leader.