Private school teachers prioritised for vaccinations

thomas 123

hynesie08 wrote: »

Grand, Google a random school, ring them after hours, tell them you're a hospital with vaccines available and let us know how you get on.

I wouldn’t have had to do it, I could have walked across the road to 1 of 3 schools within the 500-1000m and asked the secretary (who works normal office hours by the way), failing that I’d go to the next one and the next one.

Of course after I’ve expended all other 7 options on the priority list.

Or wait! Are you suggesting whoever contacted the school had the direct personal contact for a person in that school since they can’t be reached out of hours?

eggy81

hynesie08 wrote: »

Grand, Google a random school, ring them after hours, tell them you're a hospital with vaccines available and let us know how you get on.

Especially seen as they’d be unlikely to all be there after hours. Which means they must have driven from their homes which were all close by too?
Or it was pre planned.

Plumbthedepths

People annoyed and angry, resulting in nothing. Queue the next outrage.

thomas 123

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

People annoyed and angry, resulting in nothing. Queue the next outrage.

Queue the bury our heads in the sand brigade - nothing to see here folks.

errlloyd

DrumSteve wrote: »

I'm aware of the distance between the two points, I worked in the area for a long time.

But, what's even closer to the beacon are the unvaccinated patients currently in the beacon.

Oh good, you know it well. So then you know it's so close that the travel time isn't material. What is material is whether you have their contact details and they are ready to go. I have no idea what the circumstances are, but if Gerard's teachers happened to be finishing a staff meeting, and were all in one place then they could be in the beacon in 11 minutes. If it was going to take five minutes of googling to get a number for a local school, and a few minutes on the phone to explain, and then ten minutes for them to get together you've blown your time.

In their statement they said they had 200 vaccines to use. So presumably that's where the first 180 went.

byhookorbycrook

Classes in private schools are far smaller than those in non-fee paying schools.My consultant has asked that I be signed off as I work with children with additional needs and there is no possibility of any form of social distancing whatsoever. The OH gp, (Medmark)who knows nothing about me, bar a rather narrow algorithm over ruled the consultant who has been treating me for 20 years. Even though the principal and school board of management are also willing for me to work remotely, Medmark says I can't as I'm merely "high risk" by their reckoning, despite many co-morbidities that aren't taken into account.
I'm cohort seven at best, it appears, for vaccination and there were 20 " left overs?" to be given to that staff. Absolutely disgusting.

PhilOssophy

I'm more angry at the 200 no-shows than I am at the teachers being vaccinated.
I said it months ago, people should have to pay a €20 deposit to book your vaccine. Refunded once you show up, if you don't you lose it.
Otherwise, we'll end up with tons of wastage as the Gemma disciples decide to book appointments and not show up.

Ronaldinho

ssshhh123 wrote: »

Probably off topic but i was walking past a private school in rathmines(st marys). Saw groups of students maybe 60-70 all been coached rugby by teachers/coach. Full contact no pods etc. Now im all for opening up etc and getting on with life. But why are these allowed play sports in school while my son a first year student is at home stuvk on zoom.

Elite sports

PhilOssophy

PhilOssophy wrote: »

I'm more angry at the 200 no-shows than I am at the teachers being vaccinated.
I said it months ago, people should have to pay a €20 deposit to book your vaccine. Refunded once you show up, if you don't you lose it.
Otherwise, we'll end up with tons of wastage as the Gemma disciples decide to book appointments and not show up.

You'd be angry at how many nurses won't get the vaccine I'd say.

iamwhoiam

PhilOssophy wrote: »

I'm more angry at the 200 no-shows than I am at the teachers being vaccinated.
I said it months ago, people should have to pay a €20 deposit to book your vaccine. Refunded once you show up, if you don't you lose it.
Otherwise, we'll end up with tons of wastage as the Gemma disciples decide to book appointments and not show up.

The no shows were people who were double booked , in the Beacon and Aviva at the same time . Not just random people who couldn’t be arsed
It was an admin error .

Plumbthedepths

thomas 123 wrote: »

Queue the bury our heads in the sand brigade - nothing to see here folks.

What do you think will happen? There was already outrage over the children of the head of a hospital getting vaccinated when several vaccines were 'left' over. Of course it was too much of a stretch to contact the local Garda/Fire station and ask was anyone available.
My son is a Guard regularly interacts with the public just yesterday he was detailed to check was someone quarantining after returning from a high risk country
, he also is high risk as he donated a kidney last year but a private school teacher's health is far more important apparently. Maybe my son needs to make better social connections or acquire friends in high places.

DrumSteve

errlloyd wrote: »

Oh good, you know it well. So then you know it's so close that the travel time isn't material. What is material is whether you have their contact details and they are ready to go. I have no idea what the circumstances are, but if Gerard's teachers happened to be finishing a staff meeting, and were all in one place then they could be in the beacon in 11 minutes. If it was going to take five minutes of googling to get a number for a local school, and a few minutes on the phone to explain, and then ten minutes for them to get together you've blown your time.

In their statement they said they had 200 vaccines to use. So presumably that's where the first 180 went.

Lot of If's there.

How about this...you ring one of the wards of the building you are currently in and say does anyone need a vaccine who is currently interacting with our staff? Or even see if the contract cleaning staff want one?

iamwhoiam

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

People annoyed and angry, resulting in nothing. Queue the next outrage.

Any suggestions how we should make our anger known and how this can be stopped ?
It’s going on more than we know and will carry on unless something is done

LittleBrick

Also remember that private schools have a significant lower pupil-teacher ratio than public schools.

Treppen

errlloyd wrote: »

Again, as I said before. 11 minute drive according to Google maps. In real terms it is quite close.

Were all the teachers waiting to travel from the school just when the call was made?

ari101

Sigh... I'd have happily travelled the couple of kms to get one of these. In group 4 and still no contact from anyone, GP says don't call, hospital says they have none... Gotta go for major surgery next week and the lack of protection is just another worry in a long list ... I'm all for wait your turn and also for don't waste vaccine, but cherry picking like this is super disappointing. Get organised with a better back up list lads 180 clearly wasn't enough...

FileNotFound

DrumSteve wrote: »

Lot of If's there.

How about this...you ring one of the wards of the building you are currently in and say does anyone need a vaccine who is currently interacting with our staff? Or even see if the contract cleaning staff want one?

Have to say this came to my mind also.

Given the hospital full of high risk and elderly patients how can there ever really be extras.

You could even wheel down anyone who is bed bound.

Plumbthedepths

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Any suggestions how we should make our anger known and how this can be stopped ?
It’s going on more than we know and will carry on unless something is done

When has anyone in a position of authority actually cared what the wider public thinks?
A politician only pretends to listen to you during election cycles.
There is a an expression 'it is better to ask for forgiveness than permission'
Even on Board's I have seen people defend the master of the hospital as a good person after it became public knowledge his children were vaccinated. People wil excuse any form of wrong doing in this country.

errlloyd

DrumSteve wrote: »

Lot of If's there.

How about this...you ring one of the wards of the building you are currently in and say does anyone need a vaccine who is currently interacting with our staff? Or even see if the contract cleaning staff want one?

There is literally one "if", 'are they ready?' Because they're clearly close enough.

I think people here are mixing up their disdain for elite parents of private school children and the 'very much not elite' teachers of private school children for no good reason.

ActingDanClark

errlloyd wrote: »

Again, as I said before. 11 minute drive according to Google maps. In real terms it is quite close.

Gerard's is up a windy country road between bray and enniskerry, geographically close to but without direct access to, the motorway.you wouldn't cover that trip in 11 minutes at 430 in the afternoon on a ducati

thomas 123

errlloyd wrote: »

There is literally one "if", 'are they ready?' Because they're clearly close enough.

I think people here are mixing up their disdain for elite parents of private school children and the 'very much not elite' teachers of private school children for no good reason.

It’s almost like they had some reason or interest in vaccinating them.

ebbsy

Sweet.Science wrote: »

Haha . Theres a school right beside the Beacon . Why ring a private one in Bray ?

Yep.

I have no problem with teachers getting the jab. They deserve it.

But the Bray bit is is the problem.

Plumbthedepths

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

When has anyone in a position of authority actually cared what the wider public thinks?
A politician only pretends to listen to you during election cycles.
There is a an expression 'it is better to ask for forgiveness than permission'
Even on Board's I have seen people defend the master of the hospital as a good person after it became public knowledge his children were vaccinated. People wil excuse any form of wrong doing in this country.

What people defended was using them instead of binning them. Every single person ahead of me on the list getting vaccinated asap means I get it faster. How they get it matters not in this regard

khalessi

eggy81 wrote: »

Especially seen as they’d be unlikely to all be there after hours. Which means they must have driven from their homes which were all close by too?
Or it was pre planned.

Most teachers would be still there after hours esp in private school if it has residential. Deffo be at least 20 teachers around

DrumSteve

errlloyd wrote: »

There is literally one "if", 'are they ready?' Because they're clearly close enough.

I think people here are mixing up their disdain for elite parents of private school children and the 'very much not elite' teachers of private school children for no good reason.

If they were ready
If they were having a staff meeting
If they were all in one place

again, lot of ifs.

Just cos someone has a few quid doesn't make them elite. I've no issue with them schools or the parents; I have an issue with people using their position to the detriment of people who needed the vaccine more.

lawrencesummers

Is anyone else really really really interested to know if this Beacons CEO’s kids are doing the leaving cert and going to be subject to their teachers assessment of grades this year



Wouldn’t that be right funny.

Granadino

Should any of the teachers not questioned what was going on and volunteered their places to more deserving?

Plumbthedepths

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

What people defended was using them instead of binning them. Every single person ahead of me on the list getting vaccinated asap means I get it faster. How they get it matters in the regard

Apologies but I don't buy the binned claim. I won't name the hospital where the masters family members were vaccinated but I can tell you there is a Garda station and Fire station less than 10 minutes away. I don't find it credible that no on duty members were available to take a shot rather no call was made.Personally I believe the health of a frontline worker is paramount importance at the moment of course my son being one may influence my opinion . We can stay home, that option doesn't exist for them.

Plumbthedepths

Granadino wrote: »

Should any of the teachers not questioned what was going on and volunteered their places to more deserving?

Self preservation is a strong motivator.

quartz1

Absolutely disgusting but to be honest this happens because theres never any consequences for those with a hard neck who break the Rules. A kick in the teeth for those who obey the rules and a moral disgrace by all those involves. It goes to show theres no linkage between Education and Morality.

tabby aspreme

While vaccinating these teachers is morally wrong, at least they are interacting with hundreds of students on a daily basis, unlike the HSE and Tulsa staff who are working from home and have no contact with the public, who are being vaccinated in large numbers.

hynesie08

eggy81 wrote: »

Especially seen as they’d be unlikely to all be there after hours. Which means they must have driven from their homes which were all close by too?
Or it was pre planned.

I absolutely believe a cheeky call was made when they realised there were 200 extra vaccines, and teachers found an excuse to stay back.

It's whether or not anyone was intentionally overlooked that should be the question.

khalessi

Granadino wrote: »

Should any of the teachers not questioned what was going on and volunteered their places to more deserving?

Probably but a lot of teachers are high risk and working in an environment which Prof Nolan said there were no new safety mitigations instigated this term. When asked about protection against B117 he replied he has hope and optimism that previous measures would work.

So when you are left with no proper safety measures I would say yes to the injection.

The teachers are not the issue here. THE CEO is for prioritising them.

hynesie08

Granadino wrote: »

Should any of the teachers not questioned what was going on and volunteered their places to more deserving?

You're in work till 4, you get a heads up that there might be vaccines available after hours, but if you're not there when the call arrives, tough ****. Where do you find this "more deserving" person.

thomas 123

khalessi wrote: »

Probably but a lot of teachers are high risk and working in an environment which Prof Nolan said there were no new safety mitigations insitigated this term. When asked about protection against B117 he replied he has hope and optimism that previous measures would work.

So when you are left with no proper safety measures I would say yes to the injection.

The teachers are not the issue here. THE CEO is for prioritising them.

Teachers 100% not the issue here and I think it’s deflection to say otherwise.

iamwhoiam

Is it any wonder people are breaking restrictions when they see this carry on going on all around them . Honestly , asking us to " do more " while this ****e is going on is a farce

Plumbthedepths

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Is it any wonder people are breaking restrictions when they see this carry on going on all around them . Honestly , asking us to " do more " while this ****e is going on is a farce

George Orwell. ' Everyone is equal, but some are more equal than others'.

eggy81

khalessi wrote: »

Most teachers would be still there after hours esp in private school if it has residential. Deffo be at least 20 teachers around

Of course they would be !

PhilOssophy

iamwhoiam wrote: »

The no shows were people who were double booked , in the Beacon and Aviva at the same time . Not just random people who couldn’t be arsed
It was an admin error .

I appreciate that, I'm just saying what is coming down the tracks when these plebs think it'll be a big laugh to book appointments and not show up.

eggy81

hynesie08 wrote: »

I absolutely believe a cheeky call was made when they realised there were 200 extra vaccines, and teachers found an excuse to stay back.

It's whether or not anyone was intentionally overlooked that should be the question.

Probably the most likely scenario alright.

khalessi

eggy81 wrote: »

Probably the most likely scenario alright.

You would be wrong there.

As stated earlier the teachers are not the issue The CEO is.

iamwhoiam

khalessi wrote: »

You would be wrong there.

As stated earlier the teachers are not the issue The CEO is.

As stated by whom ?

thomas 123

iamwhoiam wrote: »

As stated by whom ?

Yeah let’s blame the teachers!

Rabble rabble rabble

khalessi

iamwhoiam wrote: »

As stated by whom ?

IN the thread

lawrencesummers

Any sign of the lads from golfgate going to court?

iamwhoiam

thomas 123 wrote: »

Yeah let’s blame the teachers!

Rabble rabble rabble

Actually I dont blame the teachers in this instance , I blame the CEO in fairness who made that decision .The teachers would not be privy to lists and priorities and who was contacted .,

kirving

Considering the predictive grading element of this years leaving cert, this could easily be viewed as corruption on the school's part too.

I know I my company, any action that could even be perceived to be corrupt is disallowed, as it may bring the company into disrepute.

rafi bomb

kirving wrote: »

Considering the predictive grading element of this years leaving cert, this could easily be viewed as corruption on the school's part too.

I know I my company, any action that could even be perceived to be corrupt is disallowed, as it may bring the company into disrepute.

This is the crux of it. Even if they believed it was all above board how did nobody say hang on lads this looks a off

olestoepoke

Why are teachers in general so far down the list anyway? I would have thought they would be way higher up the list given the risks they take.

iamwhoiam

Earlier, HSE CEO Paul Reid has said he is "annoyed and frustrated" by the latest controversy, and suggested there were "other cohorts that could have been prioritised".

He told Newstalk: “I’m extremely annoyed and frustrated… I cannot condone [it]. It does frustrate the public


At least Paul Reid gets it .