Republic of Ireland v Luxembourg - Match Thread - K.O 19.45 - RTE and Sky Sports

Rhys Essien

For the people making tonight into a big drama remember England were knocked out of Euro 2016 by Iceland. Now that’s embarrassing.

retalivity

Nalz wrote: »

Idiots.


Wow

???
That's not a pro-LOI/Anti-PL comment, more that most young footballers that I see (which is mainly in the PL) talk and sound like idiots.
Bazunu seems like he has a good head on his shoulders.

nullzero

Rhys Essien wrote: »

For the people making tonight into a big drama remember England were knocked out of Euro 2016 by Iceland. Now that’s embarrassing.

They got to the finals though.

gormdubhgorm

Rhys Essien wrote: »

Can everybody coming down like a ton of bricks on Stephen Kenny please give me names as to who would do any better in the current situation.

And as Roy Keane said about Olly.....GIVE HIM A CHANCE.

Give Pep that Irish squad and wouldn’t be much different. There is a reason why Top class managers like O’Neill Trap and McCarthy in his second spell - play defensive, be hard to break down and play for set pieces. Because Ireland in this generation do not have the technical skill to play possession football properly. Ireland have no cultured players even on par with Georgia for example.

Father Hernandez

Rhys Essien wrote: »

For the people making tonight into a big drama remember England were knocked out of Euro 2016 by Iceland. Now that’s embarrassing.

Strange comparison, as humourous as it was I'd much rather be in their position.

Something they were able to build on.

Not sure where we go next.

Rhys Essien

Rhys Essien wrote: »

For the people making tonight into a big drama remember England were knocked out of Euro 2016 by Iceland. Now that’s embarrassing.

johnnyryan89

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Loads of foreign born players and players who've been based with foreign clubs at a young age.

And they still get proper full time training for a few years before moving onto bigger things rather than two, or three nights if you're lucky of an 1hr to maybe 2hrs if you're lucky training.

The vast majority of 16 years that go across to England are at the same level of development as 14 year olds in England, and this was nearly ten years ago and England have been improving and improving their underage coaching in those years.

callaway92

This is so big it needs a referendum

gmisk

Rhys Essien wrote: »

For the people making tonight into a big drama remember England were knocked out of Euro 2016 by Iceland. Now that’s embarrassing.

Not as embarassing as this, what were the difference in world rankings at the time? Iceland had a generation of really talented players and won a lot of big games over recent years....we lost to Luxembourg at home...it wasn't a fluke....we deserved to lose

RoryMac

Rhys Essien wrote: »

For the people making tonight into a big drama remember England were knocked out of Euro 2016 by Iceland. Now that’s embarrassing.

That Iceland team wasn't great in quality but had a great game plan and players that understood their roles and we're capable of playing to the plan.

Makes tonight's performance even worse

callaway92

callaway92 wrote: »

This is so big it needs a referendum

It’s funny, I can objectively see that we have never been in a worse position, but am not crestfallen. Maybe just getting older.

johnnyryan89

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

But that nothing new.

It's been the case for decades.

The only time Ireland were any good was because of a perfect storm of good players with Irish links and a no nonsense manager.

People have been on about developing the league of Ireland and building academies for years and it never gets done, because the FAI can never afford it and the lure of the UK, regardless of how poor the quality might be, is irresistible to young lads.

The FAI could never afford it because they didn't want to afford it. Less money for their own bank accounts.

RonanG86

Rhys Essien wrote: »

For the people making tonight into a big drama remember England were knocked out of Euro 2016 by Iceland. Now that’s embarrassing.

Didn't they sack their manager though? Or had he already decided he'd leave after the comp.

gmisk

callaway92 wrote: »

This is so big it needs a referendum

We are more into task forces and committees I think now...or a nice long expensive inquiry

gormdubhgorm

retalivity wrote: »

Im watching on Sky, they havent had Kenny up yet.
Had Bazunu on, he's a well-spoken lad for 19, not the usual drivel you'd hear from some idiots in the PL at that age.

Feel sorry for the young lad. Not only could his family not go and see his debut. Now he will be known as making his debut in the 0-1 loss v Luxembourg.

Oat23

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

There is a reason why Top class managers like O’Neill Trap and McCarthy in his second spell - play defensive, be hard to break down and play for set pieces. Because Ireland in this generation do not have the technical skill to play possession football properly. Ireland have no cultured players even on par with Georgia for example.

And sadly most Irish people were happy with that and they'd go back to it tomorrow.

It was glorious wasn't it? Sneaking our way into a finals from time to time with absolutely no hope of having any sort of impact. But the lads got their pints and a few weeks singing in the streets of some foreign city with the world media ten miles up their holes telling them how class they are for singing 'The Fields of Athenry' while we get smashed 4-0 by Spain.

Forget trying to change the future direction of Irish football and making them a team we can all enjoy watching. Dino-football and pints will do.

cj maxx

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

But that nothing new.

It's been the case for decades.

The only time Ireland were any good was because of a perfect storm of good players with Irish links and a no nonsense manager.

People have been on about developing the league of Ireland and building academies for years and it never gets done, because the FAI can never afford it and the lure of the UK, regardless of how poor the quality might be, is irresistible to young lads.

There were some great Irish players ( a perfect storm) made in the English system, plus a good few with Irish links.
This talk about the Irish underage system is great to export them to England.

artanevilla

Mod: It's an emotional night folks but the charter still applies. For example: calling someone's actions idiotic is not personal abuse, but calling someone an idiot is.

johnnyryan89

Rhys Essien wrote: »

For the people making tonight into a big drama remember England were knocked out of Euro 2016 by Iceland. Now that’s embarrassing.

It wasn't really. Unless you mean embarrassing because they were a big team and treated Iceland like minnows, the way our fans talked about Finalnd without having seen the improvements they've mind over the years.

breezy1985

Rhys Essien wrote: »

For the people making tonight into a big drama remember England were knocked out of Euro 2016 by Iceland. Now that’s embarrassing.

No it's not because Iceland worked hard to make that team and England like us just pissed about.
England are now reaping the rewards for effort and money put in

tayto lover

kona wrote: »

Ok.

Roy keane
Brian kerr
Stephen staunton
Eoin hand.

Lets see who can get a win in 10 games.

So you have no answers then? Says a lot.

J Mysterio

TheRiverman wrote: »

Richie Sadlier giving Kenny Cunningham the "you are talking some ****e" look.

To be fair, that's his default.

PropJoe10

fyfe79 wrote: »

Has Kenny Cunningham recieved a massive head injury or what!? "I'm not embarrassed!". Christ.

Kenny Cunningham should be embarrassed every time he rocks up on TV. Undoubtedly the worst pundit out there.

Agent Coulson

Chris Wilder got league 1 players to a top 10 finish in the premier league and he's out of work I'm sure he could at least get one win in 10 international games with championship level players.

johnnyryan89

RonanG86 wrote: »

Didn't they sack their manager though? Or had he already decided he'd leave after the comp.

He was always leaving. They had co managers for that European campaign. Lagerback ended up as Norway manager after that and now he's back working with Icelandic FA as a technical advisor.

blueser

Rhys Essien wrote: »

For the people making tonight into a big drama remember England were knocked out of Euro 2016 by Iceland. Now that’s embarrassing.

Ah well; that's alright then.
:rolleyes:

10000maniacs

I can never remember an Irish team this bad since the Stan era. And that was only a blip.
This is more terminal.
Premier league players with an Irish heritage avoid Ireland like the plague in 2021. And there is a lot less of a pool of these players in 2021 anyway with the PL swamped with non British Isles players now.

RonanG86

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Chris Wilder got league 1 players to a top 10 finish in the premier league and he's out of work I'm sure he could at least get one win in 10 international games with championship level players.

I suppose the question is would he want the job?

Lads it's better to lose in style than to win dirty. That's the mantra of the Kenny defenders/LOI fans. I don't think I've ever heard so much utter scutter in my life.

One person asked who would be a better alternative to Kenny right now and ironically quoted Roy Keane's "give him time" statement on Solskjaer. I know Keane is a better manager than Kenny for a fact because he has actually achieved something as a manager. Getting a professional club promoted from relegation in the Championship to surviving in the PL is a far greater success than Kenny at Dundalk. Get Keane in.

PropJoe10

People wanted Mick McCarthy back because he brought through the Keane/Dunne/Duff batch of players. Then, they didn't want him because he didn't play exciting football and wanted Kenny. Now they don't want Kenny. It really is impossible.

thebaz

artanevilla wrote: »

Mod: It's an emotional night folks but the charter still applies. For example: calling someone's actions idiotic is not personal abuse, but calling someone an idiot is.

Emotional night but still carded - I'm done with the over-zealous modding - bye

thenightman

Deleted User wrote: »

Optimistic to think we are going to Qatar


Lol

We're playing Qatar next week in Budapest. Great knowledge and interest in the game you have to be criticising Kenny, who's given most of his professional life to the sport in Ireland.


MON was given time up the north to try and play a different game to hoofball. We were never going to qualify for this world cup, at least give kenny the rest of the campaign to try and bed in his ideas. If there's no upturn in results by campaign end, fair enough he walks. But sacking him now and replacing him with Bryan Robson or god knows who and sticking 10 behind the ball for the remainder of pointless campaign makes no sense to me.

Father Hernandez

Oat23 wrote: »

And sadly most Irish people were happy with that and they'd go back to it tomorrow.

It was glorious wasn't it? Sneaking our way into a finals from time to time with absolutely no hope of having any sort of impact. But the lads got their pints and a few weeks singing in the streets of some foreign city with the world media ten miles up their holes telling them how class they are for singing 'The Fields of Athenry' while we get smashed 4-0 by Spain.

Forget trying to change the future direction of Irish football and making them a team we can all enjoy watching. Dino-football and pints will do.

I understand where you're coming from Oat, we were 'spoiled' as such for years with getting to some tournament and they're probably further away then ever before right now.

The only thing I keep thinking of is, what if Kenny isn't the answer? What if we give him another 2 years and we're still in the same rut? The players aren't there which we know of but what if there are better managers out there but we're persisting with Kenny cause we've made our bed and have to lie in it.

I'm not sure what the answer is right now but no win in 10, losing at home to Luxembourg you can understand why may are questioning it. Is Kenny the answer?

breezy1985

In 2009 a then unknown former footballer named John Kiely watched Limerick take a 24 point bating in an AI semi final against Tipp. The next day he offered his services and became one cog in a very slow burn, expensive and tough project that went on to win Limerick 2 All Irelands and hopefully more.

That is where Ireland are and no quick fix or any short gain will work now. Other small countries have shown that the way back is long and hard but achievable but takes a level of engagement I don't think we can be bothered with

johnnyryan89

RonanG86 wrote: »

I suppose the question is would he want the job?

Doubtful because I assume he'll have offers from clubs come the summer given what he achieved with that Sheffield United team.

gormdubhgorm

RoryMac wrote: »

That Iceland team wasn't great in quality but had a great game plan and players that understood their roles and we're capable of playing to the plan.

Makes tonight's performance even worse

Iceland had work horses with high workmate. And a spark of creativity in Sigurdsson one of the best creative mids in the EPL. Where is Ireland’s creative spark? Even a Sigurdsson lite?

Zico !

One name springs to mind as a good coach and hed have the respect of the players and passion for the job

Duff

gmisk

PropJoe10 wrote: »

Kenny Cunningham should be embarrassed every time he rocks up on TV. Undoubtedly the worst pundit out there.

Mark Lawrenson? But he is almost as bad...

Blanco100

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

But that nothing new.

It's been the case for decades.

The only time Ireland were any good was because of a perfect storm of good players with Irish links and a no nonsense manager.

People have been on about developing the league of Ireland and building academies for years and it never gets done, because the FAI can never afford it and the lure of the UK, regardless of how poor the quality might be, is irresistible to young lads.

I agree about the perfect storm.

But something has to change. The North have an academy FFS.

Contact hours are a disgrace here. The best players play with the best players 10 hours a year. It's not good enough.

Brexit should be an opportunity as young lads can't move until 18 (open to correction) but here it means GAA and rugby will main benefactors.

Someone used Belgium as an example of a country who outsource development of their players. Big difference in leaving St Kevin's boys at 15 or 16 for Norwich academy and leaving Anderlecht or Standard Liege at 19 or 20 to challenge for a spot in a top flights sides first team squad having played in Europe previously and received top class coaching at home so the step up wasn't as vast.

breezy1985

Zico ! wrote: »

One name springs to mind as a good coach and hed have the respect of the players and passion for the job

Duff

What makes you think these players respect him as a coach ?

Weepsie

gmisk wrote: »

Not as embarassing as this, what were the difference in world rankings at the time? Iceland had a generation of really talented players and won a lot of big games over recent years....we lost to Luxembourg at home...it wasn't a fluke....we deserved to lose

Luxembourg held france to a draw not so long ago, and barring one big defeat to sweden something like 5 years ago have been steadily improving.


We've at best stood still or gone backwards in that same time.

When we look at what much smaller countries are doing it's embarrassing in comparison to our association.


To be honest,we need a defeat like this , hopefully a proper wake up call is required

Zico !

breezy1985 wrote: »

What makes you think these players respect him as a coach ?

because he coached these very players

J Mysterio

ziggyman17 wrote: »

that was a car crash of an interview, a very hard watch, Kenny looked so uncomfortable in that interview,

He's looked uncomfortable in all the interviews I've seen him in. He actually can't maintain eye contact, which is bizarre for a manager. He's shifty and thoroughly unconvincing.

gmisk

Zico ! wrote: »

One name springs to mind as a good coach and hed have the respect of the players and passion for the job

Duff

Man?
Oh yeah...

breezy1985

Zico ! wrote: »

because he coached these very players

Not a great example of his skills then

johnnyryan89

Father Hernandez wrote: »

Is Kenny the answer?

Probably not, but who is? What if the next guy has a poor start, or the guy after him.

When there's so much wrong with Irish football for so many years the anger, embarrassment, and whatever else emotions people are feeling right now need to be directed at those responsible for Irish football and the government to do something about the state that Irish football has been left rot away to here in Ireland.

Richard Hillman

I seen a bunch of guys playing a friendly. Yeah they wanted to win but they would have had a lot more intensity if they were playing France or Germany. Bad attitude. It's that extra 1% that's the difference.

There is no point in replacing Kenny now. Give him the campaign to show us something promising on the horizon.

.G.

Kenny who only has highly successful LOI experience aside from a brief period at Dunfermline isn't the answer but Damien Duff who has zero high level management experience is. OK then.

Zico !

gmisk wrote: »

Man?
Oh yeah...

ya man groovy

gormdubhgorm

Oat23 wrote: »

And sadly most Irish people were happy with that and they'd go back to it tomorrow.

It was glorious wasn't it? Sneaking our way into a finals from time to time with absolutely no hope of having any sort of impact. But the lads got their pints and a few weeks singing in the streets of some foreign city with the world media ten miles up their holes telling them how class they are for singing 'The Fields of Athenry' while we get smashed 4-0 by Spain.

Forget trying to change the future direction of Irish football and making them a team we can all enjoy watching. Dino-football and pints will do.

Funny how you equate direct football as dinosaur football. It is effective if done properly and works when players are limited technically compared to others. Greece won a Euros with it - focus on set plays. Leicester won the EPL with limited possession direct counter attacking play.