Three people escape from quarantine

Thomasirl123 · 28-03-2021 9:27am

Valhallapt wrote: »

Yes I own a dictionary. The state is locking up children who might have covid. Just like the Brits locked up catholics who might have terrorist sympathies, or the Americans locking up Asians in ww2 just incase...

They have a house to go to, they can be told to isolate there.

Hilarious, on a thread about people leaving quarantine early you think they won't leave quarantine early if in a house.

Valhallapt · 28-03-2021 9:28am

caveat emptor wrote: »

You left out the nazi's and the jews. 12 days quarantine in a global pandemic hardly equivalent.

I think there is a rule that when you need to bring the nazis into an argument you have already lost it

el Fenomeno · 28-03-2021 9:28am

poisonated wrote: »

I believe you can rent a guitar for free at the hard rock hotel. That’s what I would do to spend time (actually get decent at guitar). I’m not sure if this is the case during covid though.

They're not free. They come with strings attached.

caveat emptor · 28-03-2021 9:29am

Valhallapt wrote: »

I think there is a rule that when you need to bring the nazis into an argument you have already lost it

Yeah and the Irish version is brits and catholics. You went there

the last time I checked the Crowne plaza despite it's name is not the long kesh.

Valhallapt · 28-03-2021 9:29am

Thomasirl123 wrote: »

Hilarious, on a thread about people leaving quarantine early you think they won't leave quarantine early if in a house.

There were 600 community cases yesterday. Are we going to lock everyone up?

Valhallapt · 28-03-2021 9:30am

caveat emptor wrote: »

Yeah and the Irish version is brits and catholics.

The brits didn’t gas the catholics, I don’t see where you are going with this?

caveat emptor · 28-03-2021 9:32am

Valhallapt wrote: »

The brits didn’t gas the catholics, I don’t see where you are going with this?

12 days quarantine in a global pandemic is not the equivalent of internment.
False equivalence lies is what it is.

is_that_so · 28-03-2021 9:32am

Thomasirl123 wrote: »

Hilarious, on a thread about people leaving quarantine early you think they won't leave quarantine early if in a house.

It depends on who you are. I know one family who had to do it twice and followed it to a tee each time.

Thomasirl123 · 28-03-2021 9:32am

Valhallapt wrote: »

There were 600 community cases yesterday. Are we going to lock everyone up?

You're talking crap. Now you're saying there's no need for quarantine at all. Before you were arguing that they can quarantine at a house.

is_that_so · 28-03-2021 9:34am

caveat emptor wrote: »

12 days quarantine in a global pandemic is not the equivalent of internment.
False equivalence lies is what it is.

The irony of this "arrangement" is that after protecting the Irish public from these people for 12 days they then are at risk of COVID from the Irish public.

Valhallapt · 28-03-2021 9:36am

caveat emptor wrote: »

12 days quarantine in a global pandemic is not the equivalent of internment.
False equivalence lies is what it is.

Having young children escorted by the army to be locked into a small room for 12 days is not right. Saying they have it better than the Jews is disgusting.

Dempo1 · 28-03-2021 9:39am

whisky_galore wrote: »

Why the jaysus are we such pearl-clutchers about this? It's a fcuking pandemic not a fcukin Bord Failte advert.

The army assists this way in Australia, hardly your "third world dictatorship". They're needed because people can't be trusted to do the right thing, as we have seen both here and abroad.

Needed for what exactly? Chauffeur duties, it's ridiculous, I'm not at all concerned about how it looks from a tourism perspective, I am concerned about the defence force (and that's what it is) being used for what is essentially a security role. There is rightly a very clear line as to what the defence forces role is in this state and I have genuine concerns that line is being crossed. As I've stated, there is a far better option, No travel or entry, easily communicated by government to designated countries.

caveat emptor · 28-03-2021 9:39am

Valhallapt wrote: »

Having young children escorted by the army to be locked into a small room for 12 days is not right. Saying they have it better than the Jews is disgusting.

I didn't say that. You said it was like the brits locking up catholics. Look I get you don't like it but please refrain from hyperbole.

Internment was indefinite and indiscriminate. Quarantine is the opposite.

I won't engage if you can't have a civil conversation about public health measures.

Take it up with your local TD if you are not happy.

Do you honestly believe hotel quarantine is like internment? That's completely disrespectful to anybody who was actually interned.

Valhallapt · 28-03-2021 9:39am

Thomasirl123 wrote: »

You're talking crap. Now you're saying there's no need for quarantine at all. Before you were arguing that they can quarantine at a house.

I did not say that, I'm not against quarantine, but the regime is excessive. They can and should isolate at home, maybe they will break the rules, but they should be treated just like the 600 people who broke the rules and got covid yesterday.

Valhallapt · 28-03-2021 9:44am

caveat emptor wrote: »

I didn't say that. You said it was like the brits locking up catholics. Look I get you don't like it but please refrain from hyperbole.

Internment was indefinite and indiscriminate. Quarantine is the opposite.

I won't engage if you can't have a civil conversation about public health measures.

Pal, you brought the Nazis and Jews into this. Don't lecture me about being civil.

Morries Wigs · 28-03-2021 9:44am

Any sign of these morons ?

Dempo1 · 28-03-2021 9:46am

Valhallapt wrote: »

Having young children escorted by the army to be locked into a small room for 12 days is not right. Saying they have it better than the Jews is disgusting.

Agreed, its outrageous, bad enough the defence force involved in this disgraceful charade, wearing camouflage attire adds to the needless distress, I'm just astonished there's not more of a backlash on this.My sense is that Garda management wiped their hands of this idea from an early stage and the defence forces thrown into the mix without any due regard on how this will be perceived.

caveat emptor · 28-03-2021 9:48am

Valhallapt wrote: »

Pal, you brought the Nazis and Jews into this. Don't lecture me about being civil.

You brought internment into it. You brought brits and catholics into it. Emotive stuff.

But what actually happened. Have a read. Let me know if you think it is still equivalent.

Operation Demetrius was a British Army operation in Northern Ireland on 9–10 August 1971, during the Troubles. It involved the mass arrest and internment (imprisonment without trial) of 342 people suspected of being involved with the Irish Republican Army (IRA), which was waging an armed campaign for a united Ireland against the British state. It was proposed by the Northern Ireland Government and approved by the British Government. Armed soldiers launched dawn raids throughout Northern Ireland, sparking four days of violence in which 20 civilians, two IRA members and two British soldiers were killed. All of those arrested were Irish nationalists, the vast majority of them Catholic. Due to faulty intelligence,[citation needed] many had no links with the IRA. Ulster loyalist paramilitaries were also carrying out acts of violence, which were mainly directed against Catholics and Irish nationalists, but no loyalists were included in the sweep.[1]

The introduction of internment, the way the arrests were carried out, and the abuse of those arrested, led to mass protests and a sharp increase in violence. Amid the violence, about 7,000 people fled or were forced out of their homes. The interrogation techniques used on some of the internees were described by the European Commission of Human Rights in 1976 as torture, but the superior court, the European Court of Human Rights (ECHR), ruled on appeal in 1978 that while the techniques were "inhuman and degrading", they did not, in this instance, constitute torture.[2] It was later revealed that the British government had withheld information from the ECHR and that the policy had been authorized by British government ministers.[3] In light of the new evidence in December 2014, the Irish government asked the ECHR to revise its 1978 judgement.[4] The ECHR declined the request in 2018.

The policy of internment lasted until December 1975 and during that time 1,981 people were interned;[5] 1,874 were nationalist, while 107 were loyalist. The first loyalist internees were detained in February 1973.[1]

gmisk · 28-03-2021 9:50am

Morries Wigs wrote: »

Any sign of these morons ?

One of them was back pretty sharpish yesterday...no mention of the other two

Valhallapt · 28-03-2021 9:50am

Dempo1 wrote: »

Agreed, its outrageous, bad enough the defence force involved in this disgraceful charade, wearing camouflage attire adds to the needless distress, I'm just astonished there's not more of a backlash on this.My sense is that Garda management wiped their hands of this idea from an early stage and the defence forces thrown into the mix without any due regard on how this will be perceived.

Reeling in the years will show Ireland as a country again letting down its young. Frog marching young kids as if they were criminal master minds, my kids get nervous going through passport control, this must have been very scary on them.

Baggly · 28-03-2021 9:52am

caveat emptor wrote: »

I didn't say that. You said it was like the brits locking up catholics. Look I get you don't like it but please refrain from hyperbole.

Internment was indefinite and indiscriminate. Quarantine is the opposite.

I won't engage if you can't have a civil conversation about public health measures.

Take it up with your local TD if you are not happy.

Do you honestly believe hotel quarantine is like internment? That's completely disrespectful to anybody who was actually interned.

Valhallapt wrote: »

Pal, you brought the Nazis and Jews into this. Don't lecture me about being civil.

caveat emptor wrote: »

You brought internment into it. You brought brits and catholics into it. Emotive stuff.

But what actually happened. Have a read. Let me know if you think it is still equivalent.

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is_that_so · 28-03-2021 9:53am

gmisk wrote: »

One of them was back pretty sharpish yesterday...no mention of the other two

One rumoured to be gone north and something about Waterford I think for the other one.

gmisk · 28-03-2021 9:59am

is_that_so wrote: »

One rumoured to be gone north and something about Waterford I think for the other one.

Talk about frying pan into the fire...

LillySV · 28-03-2021 10:00am

Valhallapt wrote: »

I did not say that, I'm not against quarantine, but the regime is excessive. They can and should isolate at home, maybe they will break the rules, but they should be treated just like the 600 people who broke the rules and got covid yesterday.

Anyone coming here from abroad can either quarantine like they had advance warning of or **** off back to the great country they had been in before coming here .taxpayers and future generations will be paying heavily for this... so the possibility that lockdown will be extended as a result of covid coming in with people feeling it’s their right to fly around the world...I have no sympathy for them.

is_that_so · 28-03-2021 10:01am

gmisk wrote: »

Talk about frying pan into the fire...

Out of the jurisdiction and will probably get a jab faster!

gmisk · 28-03-2021 10:04am

is_that_so wrote: »

Out of the jurisdiction and will probably get a jab faster!

If they have NHS number and registered with doc and over 50 maybe lol.
They will have fine and possible one month in jail hanging over them though....I wouldn't fancy it personally.

a_squirrelman · 28-03-2021 10:09am

LillySV wrote: »

Anyone coming here from abroad can either quarantine like they had advance warning of or **** off back to the great country they had been in before coming here .taxpayers and future generations will be paying heavily for this... so the possibility that lockdown will be extended as a result of covid coming in with people feeling it’s their right to fly around the world...I have no sympathy for them.

Hotel quarantine is unnecessary and a BS move. Like the other poster said there is no reason people can't quarantine at home. Where are the Irish covid cases coming from? From Irish people breaking rules mostly.

gmisk · 28-03-2021 10:11am

is_that_so wrote: »

One rumoured to be gone north and something about Waterford I think for the other one.

Just read another story...the guy who came back was in Waterford.
I am sure they know their details they will come down hard on them I would think and rightly so.

Ger Roe · 28-03-2021 10:18am

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Are the army not capable of detaining these people? Why were they only given escort duty? It's only a handful of hotels, what else are they doing?

They are quite capable, and are only doing what they are asked to do.

On foreign peacekeeping duties they are one of the most respected forces in the world and carry out duties far more complex and sensitive than quarantine hotel escort. But Government doesn't like to talk about that, or teach about it in school. It's a secret that people at home don't need to know about... apparently.

The reputation of the army at home however suffers from having woefully inadequate political masters - DF members are servants of the state and the state literally calls the shots about what they do and how they do it. It also starves them of investment and resources to ensure that they pretty much remain invisible in their barracks when they could be playing major roles in tackling the various covid associated crisis that we have. Aer Lingus got more publicity and public credit for flying fleets of chartered planes to China than the army has for all the work they have done in the background.

The army could be far more proactive and visible right throughout this crisis, from the very start... but the powers that be are terrified to have troops on the streets for any reason, for fear of the social media backlash.

The army can only do... or don't do, what they are told to do and they are more than willing to do more.

Peintre Celebre · 28-03-2021 10:19am

Not sure if my post was deleted or didn't save

But there are some morons in this thread crying about detention. This is not detention. The people in these hotels didn't land into the country and without any warning we're detained at the airport and transported as detainees with no forewarning.

They chose to come here knowing the procedure and rules hardly the same ffs. Also its not as if they can't leave. They can walk out the front door as demonstrated

Three people escape from quarantine

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