Derek Chauvin murder trial (George Floyd)

Yellow_Fern

John_Rambo wrote: »

Just watched the video again. Chauvin 100% wanted him out cold, even when Flyod's bladder released, even when health professionals told him things weren't good, even when the paramedics arrived he didn't cease to grind Floyds neck on to the tarmac with his knee.

What was he thinking?

The angle is important. that video doesnt show periods of unknown duration when his knee wasn't on his neck. Id happily volunteer for for a supervised re-enactment.

Foxtrol wrote: »

The same core disgusting thing the people who are still defending here him think - Floyd's life didn't matter.

No. It is called intention of the policeman

Muahahaha

Billy Mays wrote: »

She just wanted a chat with her representatives iirc

All those insurrectionists ever wanted was to sit down for some tea and biscuits and a chat with Nancy Pelosi.

#Justice4Ashli

Sand

Tell me how wrote: »

We watched it live kid.

This is where your ideological indoctrination has brought us. You'll see BLM buring cities down and dragging people out of cars to beat them and think this is peaceful protest. You'll see unarmed Ashli Babbitt get gunned down and think she was a violent terrorist bringing down the US government.

Sandor Clegane

On one hand I don't have much sympathy with him, he was callus, cruel, negligent and over the top and it without doubt contributed to Floyd's death, on the other hand this was a trial based on emotion and interference with presidents, congresswomen, politicians, reverends and activists all getting involved screaming for him to be put too the sword, that and the 100% fact that there would of been extreme riots/violence had the sentence gone the other way or was seen to be too lenient.

He had to be made an example of to appease the masses.

Smegging hell

Enjoy prison scumbag!

Sand

Sand wrote: »

This is where your ideological indoctrination has brought us. You'll see BLM buring cities down and dragging people out of cars to beat them and think this is peaceful protest. You'll see unarmed Ashli Babbitt get gunned down and think she was a violent terrorist bringing down the US government.

Eh, she was climbing through a window trying to get to the VP... Everyone is free to check your posts, you're plenty ideological. The fact that you're desperately trying to deny an insurrection of a federal that is a matter of fact says a lot.

screamer

I feel very sorry for the Floyd and Chauvin families, they are both, effectively losing someone. I know jail is not the same as death, but it’ll remove him from his family for years.
Justice had to be done though, because you wouldn’t treat a dog the way he treated George Floyd, no matter what he had done nor the colour of his skin, all those things aside, he was a human being, and he didn’t deserve to be killed like that.
I think he’ll appeal it in a couple of years though

Tell me how

Sand wrote: »

This is where your ideological indoctrination has brought us. You'll see BLM buring cities down and dragging people out of cars to beat them and think this is peaceful protest. You'll see unarmed Ashli Babbitt get gunned down and think she was a violent terrorist bringing down the US government.

Find a single post where I've suggested that. I can give you a hint, you won't. I've repeatedly said on the various threads that any single individual committing violence should be charged and prosecuted from doing so.

What I'm not willing to do is dismiss intent of the vast majority of peaceful protests and protesters because of these actions.

Foxtrol

Sandor Clegane wrote: »

On one hand I don't have much sympathy with him, he was callus, cruel, negligent and over the top and it without doubt contributed to Floyd's death, on the other hand this was a trial based on emotion and interference with presidents, congresswomen, politicians, reverends and activists all getting involved screaming for him to be put too the sword, that and the 100% fact that there would of been extreme riots/violence had the sentence gone the other way or was seen to be too lenient.

He had to be made an example of to appease the masses.

Wow, you really must have read through the 22 page memo from the judge very quickly to be so confident that the sentence was so unfair

DeanAustin

Cali_girl wrote: »

Fantastic statement from George's sister Bridgett Floyd IMO. Highlights my own - where she is putting on notice those who pledge and commit resources and accept the plaudits for same but don't always follow through... Same applies in many areas - LGBTQ support comes to mind this month.

“The sentence handed down today to the Minneapolis police officer who killed my brother George Floyd shows that matters of police brutality are finally being taken seriously. However, we have a long way to go and many changes to make before Black and Brown people finally feel like they are being treated fairly and humanely by law enforcement in this country.

Our focus at the George Floyd Memorial Foundation will now move to building support to ensure that the George Floyd Justice in Policing Act becomes law and brings with it the hope for the substantive change that we need so desperately in this country.

We will keep George’s memory alive by ensuring high school students and law school students have every opportunity to succeed by providing much-needed scholarships and other financial assistance. We will honor George’s commitment to those less fortunate by providing acts of service and support in communities around the country.

These efforts will take resources, however, so we will continue to work to secure financial commitments from many of the corporate entities who were so vocal about providing support for racial diversity and equality following my brother’s death.

Our work at the George Floyd Memorial Foundation has only just begun because the fight for justice is far from over.”

Personally I thought the way corporations responded to Floyd's murder and the BLM movement was disgusting. Whether or not they fully intended to exploit it, that's what they did. Same as they're doing, in large part, with the Pride movement.

I sincerely hope they redeem themselves somewhat by donating substantial sums to worthy causes that educate people out of racism.

Sandor Clegane

Foxtrol wrote: »

Wow, you really must have read through the 22 page memo from the judge very quickly to be so confident that the sentence was so unfair

The verdict I wouldn't have a problem with had he been given a fair trial.

The trial was ruled by emotion and the threat of violence.

Sand

Tell me how wrote: »

Find a single post where I've suggested that. I can give you a hint, you won't. I've repeatedly said on the various threads that any single individual committing violence should be charged and prosecuted from doing so.

What I'm not willing to do is dismiss intent of the vast majority of peaceful protests and protesters because of these actions.

But you do. Not a single person died at the hands of the Jan 6th protestors. Yet you describe the Jan 6th protest as a violent insurrection. On the basis of what? An unarmed Ashli Babbitt being shot dead for climbing through a door and didnt follow the instructions of a LEO?

You've been indoctrinated.

martingriff

Sand wrote: »

But you do. Not a single person died at the hands of the Jan 6th protestors. Yet you describe the Jan 6th protest as a violent insurrection. On the basis of what? An unarmed Ashli Babbitt being shot dead for climbing through a door and didnt follow the instructions of a LEO?

You've been indoctrinated.

So because no one died it was not violent will you give over. Also yes she was shot as she and others were trying to get at the VP and members of both houses.

Penn

Sand wrote: »

But you do. Not a single person died at the hands of the Jan 6th protestors. Yet you describe the Jan 6th protest as a violent insurrection. On the basis of what? An unarmed Ashli Babbitt being shot dead for climbing through a door and didnt follow the instructions of a LEO?

You've been indoctrinated.

Brian Sicknick.

Foxtrol

Sandor Clegane wrote: »

The verdict I wouldn't have a problem with had he been given a fair trial.

The trial was ruled by emotion and the threat of violence.

The murder was caught on tape with a dozen eye witnesses and expert testimony.

Trying to twist this as some unfair trial is an enormous reach, with nothing to back it up.

Sand

Penn wrote: »

Brian Sicknick.

That is just evidence of your own indoctrination. Go check back on his cause of death which was released after the dust settled. It wasn't being torn limb from limb by a mob of howling Trump fans as some believed.

martingriff

Penn wrote: »

Brian Sicknick.

No he died of a stroke and that any attack on him that day brought in on immediately. Not saying stress from that day did not help it. But I would say someone does not have to die to call it violent. I mean Sicknick was beaten and I would call that violence

Penn

Sand wrote: »

That is just evidence of your own indoctrination. Go check back on his cause of death which was released after the dust settled. It wasn't being torn limb from limb by a mob of howling Trump fans as some believed.

I never said that.

Sand

Penn wrote: »

I never said that.

Good recovery.

obi604

What do ye reckon Derek Chauvin means by this:

“There's gonna be some other information in the future that would be of interest, and I hope things will give you some peace of mind”

SEPT 23 1989

22 years

Clown world

Foxtrol

obi604 wrote: »

What do ye reckon Derek Chauvin means by this:

“There's gonna be some other information in the future that would be of interest, and I hope things will give you some peace of mind”

Same as the other nonsense that was coming out after the initial verdict.

It gives red meat to conspiracy theorists and just enough so he can grift more money out of idiots who are donating to him and the other officers

Cody montana

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

22 years

Clown world

Should have been life.

Penn

Sand wrote: »

Good recovery.

Cheers. I was going to try discuss with you whether or not you think the events of Jan 6th contributed in a substantial way to the natural causes he subsequently died from, or whether violence only counts if it results in death given that there are numerous video clips of Capitol security being physically and violently attacked by rioting scumbags, but I really don't see the point.

Voguementol

I think its a tragic case but i dont think he intended for George to die. Id view it more in the manslaughter domain. He was grossly negligent but that in my mind does not equate with the intent necessary for murder. I think he is a scapegoat for the wider movement looking for retribution. Thats not justice in mind.

Sand

Penn wrote: »

Cheers. I was going to try discuss with you whether or not you think the events of Jan 6th contributed in a substantial way to the natural causes he subsequently died from, or whether violence only counts if it results in death given that there are numerous video clips of Capitol security being physically and violently attacked by rioting scumbags, but I really don't see the point.

Given the idealogical indoctrination many suffer from, it is increasingly difficult to examine issues from an objective and neutral standpoint. Far too often people take a point of view that those who disagree with their views are not just incorrect or wrong, but outright evil. Or 'scumbags' as you say yourself.

Penn

Sand wrote: »

Given the idealogical indoctrination many suffer from, it is increasingly difficult to examine issues from an objective and neutral standpoint. Far too often people take a point of view that those who disagree with their views are not just incorrect or wrong, but outright evil. Or 'scumbags' as you say yourself.

People who disagree with my views aren't scumbags. Rioters are scumbags. And before you ask, yes that includes BLM rioters. All rioters.

The Capitol rioters, are scumbags. They violently attacked Capitol security and many were actively hunting for certain people to try and hurt.

You know, like scumbags do.

Faugheen

Sand wrote: »

Given the idealogical indoctrination many suffer from, it is increasingly difficult to examine issues from an objective and neutral standpoint. Far too often people take a point of view that those who disagree with their views are not just incorrect or wrong, but outright evil. Or 'scumbags' as you say yourself.

Six out of your last seven posts have contained the word 'indoctrination' or a form of it.

Are you sure we're the ones who have been idealogically indoctrinated here?

Muahahaha

Sand wrote: »

But you do. Not a single person died at the hands of the Jan 6th protestors. Yet you describe the Jan 6th protest as a violent insurrection. On the basis of what? An unarmed Ashli Babbitt being shot dead for climbing through a door and didnt follow the instructions of a LEO?

You've been indoctrinated.

Lol you're calling people here indoctrinated whilst at the same time claiming the Capital Riots as non violent, well there was 140 injured police officers who would disagree with you

The physical toll on officers who defended the U.S. Capitol during the Jan. 6 attack by a pro-Trump mob is becoming clearer, with reports by police officials and federal prosecutors indicating that about 140 officers were injured, the head of the Capitol Police officers’ union said.

“I have officers who were not issued helmets prior to the attack who have sustained head injuries,” Gus Papathanasiou, union chairman, said in a statement Wednesday. “One officer has two cracked ribs and two smashed spinal discs and another was stabbed with a metal fence stake, to name some of the injuries.”

Capitol Police Officer Brian D. Sicknick died after trying to defend the Capitol from rioters. One Capitol Police officer and one D.C. police officer who were responding on the scene have died by suicide since the attack.

And since Jan. 6, 38 Capitol Police employees have tested positive for the coronavirus, almost entirely officers and supervisors who responded to the riot, Papathanasiou said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/police-union-says-140-officers-injured-in-capitol-riot/2021/01/27/60743642-60e2-11eb-9430-e7c77b5b0297_story.html

You should really get your head out of those far right websites and read the proper news

honirelandboy

Hope someone kneels on his neck for 9 minutes in prison.

SharpshooterTom

22.5 years isn't actually all that bad for Chauvin. I was expecting 40 years. Could be reduced further also.

Foxtrol

SharpshooterTom wrote: »

22.5 years isn't actually all that bad for Chauvin. I was expecting 40 years. Could be reduced further also.

40 wasn't even an option. Double what the last cop murderer got in that state.

It'll be a long stint either being in isolation or watching his back.

briany

Voguementol wrote: »

I think its a tragic case but i dont think he intended for George to die. Id view it more in the manslaughter domain. He was grossly negligent but that in my mind does not equate with the intent necessary for murder. I think he is a scapegoat for the wider movement looking for retribution. Thats not justice in mind.

According to the law in the USA, not all degrees of murder specify a conscious intent to kill. It can be an act of violence which is on the spur of the moment or accidental.



Police officers who abuse their authority and commit crimes while acting as police officers should get especially harsh sentences applicable to those crimes, because they are the very people we're supposed to trust with upholding the law, and unlawfulness should be tolerated the least from these people. In American courts, police officers involved in controversial incidents can get off the charges if there is reasonable context to qualify their actions, but if that is not forthcoming, then I see no reason not to throw the book.

Muahahaha

SharpshooterTom wrote: »

22.5 years isn't actually all that bad for Chauvin. I was expecting 40 years. Could be reduced further also.

I thought it should be around 25 so would be fine with 22.5.

Whether or not he can survive that time inside is another thing, as a copper he will be a marked man.

rosser44

Muahahaha wrote: »

Whether or not he can survive that time inside is another thing, as a copper he will be a marked man.

I'm sure he'll have lots of GOP supporters "thoughts and prayers" to keeps him safe, they seem to work wonders /s

martingriff

briany wrote: »

According to the law in the USA, not all degrees of murder specify a conscious intent to kill. It can be an act of violence which is on the spur of the moment or accidental.



Police officers who abuse their authority and commit crimes while acting as police officers should get especially harsh sentences applicable to those crimes, because they are the very people we're supposed to trust with upholding the law, and unlawfulness should be tolerated the least from these people. In American courts, police officers involved in controversial incidents can get off the charges if there is reasonable context to qualify their actions, but if that is not forthcoming, then I see no reason not to throw the book.

I think there is also something called the egg shell rule. Where basically it is described as such you and another person fight. Unknown to both he has a weakened skull due to some disease let's say. Due to this you kill him where normally you would not from a punch. You are still responsible for the death regardless of the person's disease or intent

BPKS

In the light of this sentence, would everyone be satisfied that any person found guilty of killing another person - black or white - in America gets at least 22 years in jail.

Will shooting somebody in the chest or kicking them in the head be treated differently to kneeling on someomes head.

Interesting to see how it pans out.

ohnonotgmail

Voguementol wrote: »

I think its a tragic case but i dont think he intended for George to die. Id view it more in the manslaughter domain. He was grossly negligent but that in my mind does not equate with the intent necessary for murder. I think he is a scapegoat for the wider movement looking for retribution. Thats not justice in mind.

If they could prove he intended to kill Floyd he would have been found guilty of Murder 1 not the Murder 2 charge he was found guilty of. In that case he would be doing life not 22.5 years.

cheezums

Muahahaha wrote: »

I thought it should be around 25 so would be fine with 22.5.

Whether or not he can survive that time inside is another thing, as a copper he will be a marked man.

Pretty sure cops are always kept separate from general population in prison. Also he'll be out probably in 10-15 with good behaviour.

ancapailldorcha

obi604 wrote: »

What do ye reckon Derek Chauvin means by this:

“There's gonna be some other information in the future that would be of interest, and I hope things will give you some peace of mind”

It's a pathetic attempt by him to present himself as something other than the racist murderer that he is.

Penn

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

It's a pathetic attempt by him to present himself as something other than the racist murderer that he is.

Could be something to do with the trial of the other three officers next year. There wasn't a lot of mention of them or their actions during Chauvin's trial, likely as it would then influence their trial.

Not that I think it actually changes anything, but I'm sure at this point Chauvin will try anything.

AMKC

Penn wrote: »

Could be something to do with the trial of the other three officers next year. There wasn't a lot of mention of them or their actions during Chauvin's trial, likely as it would then influence their trial.

Not that I think it actually changes anything, but I'm sure at this point Chauvin will try anything.

Yes RTEs correspondent or Reporter in the US said the same.
I hope Derick Chauvin serves at least 22 years in prison. Even when he gets out he can never go back to being a police officer anyway so his whole life is ruined and he has only himself to blame for it. The World even America will change a lot in 22 years.

Smee_Again

It’s a sad day for the US. I’d bet there’s a lot of folks looking at Chauvin’s sentence and thinking to themselves “well if I can’t indiscriminately kill black people then I don’t want to be a cop anymore”.

How are they gonna keep the peace if less racists join the police force?

walshb

Smee_Again wrote: »

It’s a sad day for the US. I’d bet there’s a lot of folks looking at Chauvin’s sentence and thinking to themselves “well if I can’t indiscriminately kill black people then I don’t want to be a cop anymore”.

How are they gonna keep the peace if less racists join the police force?

What?

nj27

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

It's a pathetic attempt by him to present himself as something other than the racist murderer that he is.

Nah, he ain't. I'd literally have a party if this somehow gets turned around on appeal. Is that bad or?

Penn

nj27 wrote: »

Nah, he ain't. I'd literally have a party if this somehow gets turned around on appeal. Is that bad or?

You'd literally have a party?

ancapailldorcha

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

It's a pathetic attempt by him to present himself as something other than the racist murderer that he is.

You're gonna offend the usual suspects now...

Manach

Unlike seemly a majority of posters, I've studied law. This result both at a procedural level and subsequentent sentencing is an example of a railroaded verdict that has more in common with a politicised show-trial than an excercise in justice.

osarusan

Manach wrote: »

Unlike seemly a majority of posters, I've studied law. This result both at a procedural level and subsequentent sentencing is an example of a railroaded verdict that has more in common with a politicised show-trial than an excercise in justice.

You'd best let Chauvin know right away. This could be just the break he's looking for.

Faugheen

Manach wrote: »

Unlike seemly a majority of posters, I've studied law. This result both at a procedural level and subsequentent sentencing is an example of a railroaded verdict that has more in common with a politicised show-trial than an excercise in justice.

Well I also have a background in law and I couldn't disagree more. It's as clear as day.