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Will move to Dublin from overseas - Work location D1
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30-03-2021 5:32am#1
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Given that you will be working in the IFSC (International Financial Services Centre), I would strongly recommend you live in the IFSC itself!
While your budget would have been tight before the pandemic, rent has come down temporarily due to the pandemic, so you should be able to get a decent 1-bed for €1,500-€1,600 and a 2-bed for ~€2,000.
This way, you will be a short stroll to the office (depending on the apartment complex), anywhere from a 2-minute to a 10-minute walk. as a result, you don't have to worry at all about transport etc. You also have the city centre on your doorstep (10-20 minute walk depending on the apartment complex) and a tram running right through the city centre and the IFSC.
As you are probably not aware, the IFSC is the area along the northside of the river (about 2 blocks deep) from the Custom House to (officially) Guild Street, where your office is, or stretches on to the Point (unofficially) as Finance/Tech offices have continued on down the river over the last number of years. Together with it's equivalent on the southside of the (narrow) river, this makes up "the Docklands" which are an area that has been redeveloped over the past 20 years and with a focus on Finance/Tech offices.
The make-up of people living in the IFSC is mainly people from late twenties to early 40's with either no kids or infants (typically, people look to move out to the suburbs once the kids become toddlers as it is not an ideal location to raise older children. Pre-pandemic, it is the perfect location for work/play, especially for those working in tech/finance (I assume you are?). Basically, it is a quiet, peaceful place, away from traffic/crowds, but with everything on its doorstep. A lot of the main tech/finance companies are based within a short walk. Salesforce tower is being built just by your office, HubSpot were/are located in your office building (they have a new office just across the river, so not sure if expanding or moving), and everyone from Google, Facebook, AIG, KBC, Citibank to a lot of smaller operations are all in the vicinity. There are a few bars & restaurants in the IFSC itself, but you are only a short walk/tram ride from the hustle & bustle of the city centre for shopping/nightlife.
At the moment, with the pandemic, most offices are empty or with minimal staff (and the city centre is still quiet). Throughout the second half of this year, as the vaccination program is completed, that will all re-open, along with pubs/restaurants etc (anyone's guess as to which month - optimists are hoping for July, pessimists are predicting Oct/Nov).
Given you don't know Dublin, and work will likely be your main focus in the first few months/year, I would rent there for a year while you get your bearings. From there, you can explore the suburbs and talk to friends/colleagues and find an ideal location to settle down in, or stay in the IFSC for another while until you have that family truly started
. Due to rent control, while some landlords have drastically reduced their rents in the IFSC because of the pandemic, they will not be able to put them up by much once everyone is back to the office later this year, so it gives you good chance to get a place in the IFSC for cheap.
Daft is the most popular website people use for looking for rentals/buying (it would be rare for a place to be advertised on another website and not be on Daft). As you browse each property, you can see where on the map it is located and how close it is to your office..
P.S. As with almost everywhere in Dublin, "nice/desirable" places are right next to undesirable places. While the IFSC itself would be one of the top locations in the city, it is right next to a rough part of the city. However, there is rarely any issues. When looking at properties, as a general rule, avoid anything on or north of Sheriff Street (upper and lower). You will see it on the map here (2 blocks norther of your office)0 -
Given that you will be working in the IFSC (International Financial Services Centre), I would strongly recommend you live in the IFSC itself!
While your budget would have been tight before the pandemic, rent has come down temporarily due to the pandemic, so you should be able to get a decent 1-bed for €1,500-€1,600 and a 2-bed for ~€2,000.
This way, you will be a short stroll to the office (depending on the apartment complex), anywhere from a 2-minute to a 10-minute walk. as a result, you don't have to worry at all about transport etc. You also have the city centre on your doorstep (10-20 minute walk depending on the apartment complex) and a tram running right through the city centre and the IFSC.
As you are probably not aware, the IFSC is the area along the northside of the river (about 2 blocks deep) from the Custom House to (officially) Guild Street, where your office is, or stretches on to the Point (unofficially) as Finance/Tech offices have continued on down the river over the last number of years. Together with it's equivalent on the southside of the (narrow) river, this makes up "the Docklands" which are an area that has been redeveloped over the past 20 years and with a focus on Finance/Tech offices.
The make-up of people living in the IFSC is mainly people from late twenties to early 40's with either no kids or infants (typically, people look to move out to the suburbs once the kids become toddlers as it is not an ideal location to raise older children. Pre-pandemic, it is the perfect location for work/play, especially for those working in tech/finance (I assume you are?). Basically, it is a quiet, peaceful place, away from traffic/crowds, but with everything on its doorstep. A lot of the main tech/finance companies are based within a short walk. Salesforce tower is being built just by your office, HubSpot were/are located in your office building (they have a new office just across the river, so not sure if expanding or moving), and everyone from Google, Facebook, AIG, KBC, Citibank to a lot of smaller operations are all in the vicinity. There are a few bars & restaurants in the IFSC itself, but you are only a short walk/tram ride from the hustle & bustle of the city centre for shopping/nightlife.
At the moment, with the pandemic, most offices are empty or with minimal staff (and the city centre is still quiet). Throughout the second half of this year, as the vaccination program is completed, that will all re-open, along with pubs/restaurants etc (anyone's guess as to which month - optimists are hoping for July, pessimists are predicting Oct/Nov).
Given you don't know Dublin, and work will likely be your main focus in the first few months/year, I would rent there for a year while you get your bearings. From there, you can explore the suburbs and talk to friends/colleagues and find an ideal location to settle down in, or stay in the IFSC for another while until you have that family truly started. Due to rent control, while some landlords have drastically reduced their rents in the IFSC because of the pandemic, they will not be able to put them up by much once everyone is back to the office later this year, so it gives you good chance to get a place in the IFSC for cheap.
Daft is the most popular website people use for looking for rentals/buying (it would be rare for a place to be advertised on another website and not be on Daft). As you browse each property, you can see where on the map it is located and how close it is to your office..
P.S. As with almost everywhere in Dublin, "nice/desirable" places are right next to undesirable places. While the IFSC itself would be one of the top locations in the city, it is right next to a rough part of the city. However, there is rarely any issues. When looking at properties, as a general rule, avoid anything on or north of Sheriff Street (upper and lower). You will see it on the map here (2 blocks norther of your office)
Thank you for the info, rent seems to be indeed more affordable.
I'll discuss with my wife if the IFSC area would be an option as well.
THanks mate!0 -
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true-or-false wrote: »I wouldn't recommend moving into the IFSC if you're planning on having a child within a year. Maybe a short term lease for convenience's sake while you scope out some suburban areas, but while I'm not a parent myself, I can't see it being the easiest place to raise a child.
To be fair, he is only going to "try to start a family within the year". Unless he is a fast worker, you're probably talking about a baby being born a year from when he starts at the earliest. Having a baby/infant in the IFSC is no problem (lots of people do). It's more when the child is 2-3 that the advantage of suburban living kicks in (and is when most couples move out to the 'burbs)
In my opinion, that means he doesn't need to rush in and get a "family place" in the first year; let him settle in Dublin and then choose from a position of knowledge and experience.
It's just that that's what I would do - concentrate on work (and figuring out what WFH/Flexi options there will be) and getting to know the city while enjoying a simple commute for the first year. A lot of the places being mentioned on this thread are pushing his commute time to the limit (i.e. the actual door-to-door time). It's difficult to say what commutes will look like next year (between many places talking about work from home 1-2 days per week and some companies like PWC pushing for staggered times etc). It may mean some commutes might become a lot easier (where it is mainly office workers), while others stay similar (where the traffic has a lot to do with schools/factories etc)*
*On the flip side, commutes may be worse than 2019 because Dublin City Council seem intent on making life miserable for commuters!0 -
OP, where do you live at the moment? City, rural, small urban?
If you fancy poorly serviced, windswept, soulless places then an IFSC apartment would be ideal for you? What do you/your wife like to do outside of work? Will she work? Sports, library, etc?
I live in Tokyo at the moment
My wife will be waiting for her spouse visa and afterwards Work.
- what we like, being close to park / nature
- Hiking , surfing, running
- i love cooking, so I’d check as well if there are grocery stores nearby0 -
To be fair, he is only going to "try to start a family within the year". Unless he is a fast worker, you're probably talking about a baby being born a year from when he starts at the earliest. Having a baby/infant in the IFSC is no problem (lots of people do). It's more when the child is 2-3 that the advantage of suburban living kicks in (and is when most couples move out to the 'burbs)
In my opinion, that means he doesn't need to rush in and get a "family place" in the first year; let him settle in Dublin and then choose from a position of knowledge and experience.
It's just that that's what I would do - concentrate on work (and figuring out what WFH/Flexi options there will be) and getting to know the city while enjoying a simple commute for the first year. A lot of the places being mentioned on this thread are pushing his commute time to the limit (i.e. the actual door-to-door time). It's difficult to say what commutes will look like next year (between many places talking about work from home 1-2 days per week and some companies like PWC pushing for staggered times etc). It may mean some commutes might become a lot easier (where it is mainly office workers), while others stay similar (where the traffic has a lot to do with schools/factories etc)*
*On the flip side, commutes may be worse than 2019 because Dublin City Council seem intent on making life miserable for commuters!
I do mean indeed, that we will start trying in the near future and we never know how long it takes.
It might be an option to initially be close to work, however if we find a nice place a bit further that would be good for children, then that would be my preference.
I wouldn’t like to move again within a year.
Thank you everyone!!0 -
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I live in Tokyo at the moment
My wife will be waiting for her spouse visa and afterwards Work.
- what we like, being close to park / nature
- Hiking , surfing, running
- i love cooking, so I’d check as well if there are grocery stores nearby
With the exception of the many cherry blossoms in Dublin’s suburbs, you will find little in common between Dublin and Tokyo. To the most part, Dublin’s accommodation consists of houses rather than apartments and public transport is not so developed. However, it is much easier to get to the many urban beaches, parks and to the mountains for a hike. If your wife will not work initially, consider some research as to what daytime social activities she will like to engage in. An apartment in the IFSC would give you a short walk to work but it is an area of recent development (less than 30 years) with facilities designed for the daytime (office worker) population rather than residents. It is but a short walk to the city centre with shopping, cafe and similar facilities. You hve the advantage of the DART which runs north-south along the coast. I am more familiar with the southern ends and there are many coastal/urban villages/towns which are in effect suburbs of Dublin. Howth , for example, is a terminus at the north end meaning that it would always be easy to gain a seat in the mornings. It is a historic fishing village (which may be attractive to you as a source of protein) but is surrounded by a hilly park which can be good for walks/hikes. I know a number of expats who have successfully moved there from large metropolises.
Likewise, Dun Laoghaire, Monkstown and Glasthule on the south side could provide similar environments but as they are in the middle of the line, the trains can be crowded in the mornings.
Assuming you are a salaryman, you are likely used to longer hours than you would have to work in Dublin.0 -
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