Two nations one team!

astrofool · 30-03-2021 5:00pm

On the other hand, the FAI debts are probably about equal to the Westminster subvention to NI, so at least it would be an equal partnership :pac:

Fionn1952 · 30-03-2021 5:02pm

downcow wrote: »

Referencing the British Lions is very different. The key difference is that the British Lions is a true team and does not affect the continuation of any of the national teams

I am not sure Fionn if you just follow me around to misquote me. Where did I overblown the success of the Northern Ireland team??

You'll notice I quite clearly said I didn't support the amalgamation of the two teams. I used the British and Irish Lions as an example to demonstrate that the concept of a team representing all the nations of these islands isn't as ridiculous as you were suggesting, and in fact does exist in another sport. Quite what you mean by a, 'true team' I think you'll have to explain further.

As for, 'following you around'... ah cop on! We have discussed the NI team on previous threads though. You seem to think the RoI team is in horrendous shape and the NI team looking much better; I was just pointing out that despite RoI being in an awful slump recently and NI enjoying a period of success relative to their historic performances, NI are still currently ranked several places below the horrendous failure that is RoI soccer!

begbysback · 30-03-2021 5:04pm

Can we not merge with the English team?

KungPao · 30-03-2021 5:07pm

begbysback wrote: »

Can we not merge with the English team?

James McClean approves.

begbysback · 30-03-2021 5:11pm

KungPao wrote: »

James McClean approves.

Tbf jamesey boy is at the end of his career, and sure we’re practically half English anyways

mehico · 30-03-2021 5:19pm

George Best was famously in favour of one Ireland team competing internationally because it was common sense that this team would have a larger pool of players to pick from.

walshb · 30-03-2021 5:50pm

OP, your post seems full of glee at Ireland’s recent poor form..

I think you’re right, a joining of the two would be a step too far for some!

begbysback · 30-03-2021 6:00pm

walshb wrote: »

OP, your post seems full of glee at Ireland’s recent poor form..

I think you’re right, a joining of the two would be a step too far for some!

I guess it’s partially to do with the notion that league of Ireland players and managers would be successful if they moved up the grade. I think with the current managers shortcomings realised, and with Brian kerrs terrible record it has solidly been prove that the gulf in class is enormous, and those who pretty much stated this before have been vindicated.

Nothing wrong with a victory lap here

Junkyard Tom · 30-03-2021 6:06pm

downcow wrote: »

another nation ... two nations

The North isn't a nation.

mehico · 30-03-2021 6:13pm

begbysback wrote: »

I guess it’s partially to do with the notion that league of Ireland players and managers would be successful if they moved up the grade. I think with the current managers shortcomings realised, and with Brian kerrs terrible record it has solidly been prove that the gulf in class is enormous, and those who pretty much stated this before have been vindicated.

Nothing wrong with a victory lap here

Was Brian Kerr's record terrible?

downcow · 30-03-2021 7:37pm

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

The North isn't a nation.

I was just quoting the TDs reported in the article. They referred to NI as a nation, so you may take that up with your politicians

30-03-2021 7:39pm

I’d rather no team than a joint one.

downcow · 30-03-2021 7:40pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Easy enough to understand. If 90% of Northern Ireland supporters won’t support this all Ireland team why would the IFA agree to it? This is all pie on the sky.

Yeah. Sorry misunderstood you.
..and another problem would be that I don’t think our fans would tolerate a game against Qatar no matter what money they offered.
We have a few principals left.

30-03-2021 7:41pm

downcow wrote: »

Yeah. Sorry misunderstood you.
..and another problem would be that I don’t think our fans would tolerate a game against Qatar no matter what money they offered.
We have a few principals left.

If you were drawn in the same group then you’d be playing them the same as we are, you weren’t so it’s easy to do the big talk. Don’t kid yourself or try to kid anyone else.

downcow · 30-03-2021 7:57pm

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

If you were drawn in the same group then you’d be playing them the same as we are, you weren’t so it’s easy to do the big talk. Don’t kid yourself or try to kid anyone else.

Ah. I take back what I said. I thought it was a friendly. Apologies my mistake.
We would no doubt also have to play them if pitched competitively against them.

Fionn1952 · 30-03-2021 8:02pm

downcow wrote: »

Ah. I take back what I said. I thought it was a friendly. Apologies my mistake.

Naw, you're actually right on this one, Downcow. It is a friendly.

30-03-2021 8:05pm

Fionn1952 wrote: »

Naw, you're actually right on this one, Downcow. It is a friendly.

It’s a friendly that has to be played because Qatar have been drawn in the group to play everyone in it. Whoever was drawn in their group has to play the friendlies against them, so no they’re not right. Not in the implication they were making anyway.

If NI had been drawn in this group then they’d be playing Qatar the very same as Ireland are now.

Fionn1952 · 30-03-2021 8:09pm

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

It’s a friendly that has to be played because Qatar have been drawn in the group to play everyone in it. Whoever was drawn in their group has to play the friendlies against them, so no they’re not right. Not in the implication they were making anyway.

If NI had been drawn in this group then they’d be playing Qatar the very same as Ireland are now.

I was referring to tonight's game being a friendly, didn't pass much heed to any insinuations in fairness.....unusual for my interactions with Downcow that, I'm usually the first to call it out.

That being said, anyone playing in the qualifiers with the intention of going to play in the World Cup in Qatar doesn't have much of a moral high ground there anyway.

Donald Trump · 30-03-2021 10:02pm

cdeb wrote: »

John Delaney, coaching in Ireland, and people's insistence on supporting foreign leagues over the domestic league are far bigger issues.

This fella knows the story.

Montage of Feck · 30-03-2021 11:47pm

Northern Ireland were officially recognized as Ireland by FIFA in sone competions up until 1984. The IFA can also claim direct continuation from the original pre partition association.
So it would be more a case of the nordies letting us back in.

blanch152 · 31-03-2021 12:42am

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

The North isn't a nation.

No piece of territory is a nation. The island of Ireland isn't a nation, neither are the 26 counties.

Nations are made up of people, not territory. That is one of the lessons that too many Irishmen have failed to learn.

Junkyard Tom · 31-03-2021 12:59am

blanch152 wrote: »

The island of Ireland isn't a nation, neither are the 26 counties.

Ireland is the home of the Irish Nation. It's even in our constitution, maybe you should familiarise yourself with it.

Article 2

It is the entitlement and birthright of every person born in the island of Ireland, which includes its islands and seas, to be part of the Irish Nation.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater · 31-03-2021 1:07am

It's gas, for years and years, any time this would come up it was a case of "yeah, but how many NI players would actually get into the RoI team? One or two, maybe". Different story now. It's only 10 years ago we mauled them 5-0 in the Nations Cup (not that it mattered a ****e)

cdeb · 31-03-2021 7:19am

Montage of Feck wrote: »

Northern Ireland were officially recognized as Ireland by FIFA in sone competions up until 1984. The IFA can also claim direct continuation from the original pre partition association.
So it would be more a case of the nordies letting us back in.

They weren't recognised by FIFA as such - FIFA ruled on that after two Irelands, often using the same players, entered 1950 qualifying. Neither country is officially Ireland as (a) Northern Ireland clearly wasn't Ireland any more, and (b) they had dibs on the term, so we had to make up the name "Republic of Ireland" for ourselves, though there's no such country.

The North still called themselves Ireland on occasion, most recently in 1978 afaik. The media here called them the Six County FA during this time.

But yes, we did split from them and in theory a United Irish team should be based in Belfast. Not sure there's any particular problem with that really

downcow · 31-03-2021 7:27am

Rangers didn’t ask to get joining Celtic five years ago, nor did Man City ask to join united during the barren years. Scotland and Wales didn’t even ask to join England when the could achieve nothing, and not only are they on the same small island but they are recognised by the UN as the same nation state.
So getting back to the op, it certainly is all three ie offensive, laughable but most of all just plain sad.
I think you should have the courage and pride to plough your own furrow.

I am though very encouraged by the attitude of most of the posters.

We (ni team and fans) had/have two little mottos worth considering
In the tough times, ‘Keep believing’
And in the better times, ‘Onwards and upwards’

31-03-2021 7:32am

We need to go back to FIFA about the name at this stage. We're Ireland, they're not.

mehico · 31-03-2021 8:48am

downcow wrote: »

Rangers didn’t ask to get joining Celtic five years ago, nor did Man City ask to join united during the barren years. Scotland and Wales didn’t even ask to join England when the could achieve nothing, and not only are they on the same small island but they are recognised by the UN as the same nation state.

I don't think those examples are really comparable though? FAI split from IFA so they were originally the same Association and for a while both competed as Ireland and in some cases picked the same players.

Not aware of Celtic and Rangers having split at some stage but would be happy to be corrected?

31-03-2021 8:54am

mehico wrote: »

I don't think those examples are really comparable though? FAI split from IFA so they were originally the same Association and for a while both competed as Ireland and in some cases picked the same players.

Not aware of Celtic and Rangers having split at some stage but would be happy to be corrected?

So what? The Soviet Union Football Federation split into entities such as the Ukraine Football Association and the Football Federation of Belarus amongst others. Do you want all of those to join up and play together under Moscow again too?

mehico · 31-03-2021 9:48am

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

So what? The Soviet Union Football Federation split into entities such as the Ukraine Football Association and the Football Federation of Belarus amongst others. Do you want all of those to join up and play together under Moscow again too?

Your example of the football teams of the former Soviet Republics merging is a better one but I don't know if there are similar discussions in that region to those taking place around Irish football?

Fionn1952 · 31-03-2021 10:01am

mehico wrote: »

Your example of the football teams of the former Soviet Republics merging is a better one but I don't know if there are similar discussions in that region to those taking place around Irish football?

I don't know if there are those conversations going on in relation to Irish football among any circles that actually care about either soccer team, or anyone who would/could be part of actually floating it in a meaningful way.....thankfully.

Two nations one team!

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