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Dart+ — no Ballyfermot station and why not just four-track to the Phoenix Park tunnel

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  • #52
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,592 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    The above ground lines will never be reinstated to the old station as the Luas is in the way

    There will be a need for a station building of some description for those lines even after DU/DART+ Tunnel as it's now named


  • #53
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,648 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    MyLove4Satan wrote: »
    Reopening the old station on the riverfront as stage one of the DART Underground is the best location for a station in the docklands. Footbridge across the river to go with it. Then you have a proper 'Docklands' station.

    I think people underestimate how useful the docklands station is for the rest of town. Especially bike hires all over the place. Its poorly promoted. Of course with no spare capacity there would be no point in encouraging more people to use it now.


  • #54
    Breezer
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    MyLove4Satan wrote: »
    Reopening the old station on the riverfront as stage one of the DART Underground is the best location for a station in the docklands. Footbridge across the river to go with it. Then you have a proper 'Docklands' station.

    I’m curious. Where was this?


  • #55
    IE 222
    Registered Users Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭IE 222


    Any tunnel changes or advancement could lead to a rethink of Spencer Dock. It could end up been an awful lot more viable and easier just to put the whole station underground and have the portal in from the beginning.


  • #56
    CatInABox
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    Breezer wrote: »
    I’m curious. Where was this?

    North Wall Train Station

    Here it is on google street view. Quite a nice building, but kinda put in the shade by the LNR hotel next door.

    The recent exploration of ideas for Docklands suggested that they'd look at running the line underneath the Luas tracks, into the back of the train station, where the Europcar area is now. If they figure out what they wanted to do with DU first, then they could make this station part of the tunnel portal.


  • #57
    donvito99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭donvito99


    Presumably any underground station at Spencer Dock will have to be relatively shallow, in order to get trains up to the Northern Line?

    What was the max gradient proposed under Dart Underground?


  • #58
    MyLove4Satan
    Registered Users Posts: 326 ✭✭MyLove4Satan


    L1011 wrote: »
    The above ground lines will never be reinstated to the old station as the Luas is in the way


    They could turn them so they run up Park Lane to pass in front of the station (on the quays) and then back down the other side onto Mayor Street Upper. A Luas Station for the DART station and the Convention Centre could be on Park Lane itself so as to not stop on the quays. Then the incline into the reopened station is not an issue.

    https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3482694,-6.2385035,280m/data=!3m1!1e3


  • #59
    beauf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,648 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    Not trying to be negative. But have they made any real progress towards the capacity issues at Connolly. While all these other ideas are great, is Connolly not a keystone around everything else has to fit.

    There was a lot of spare land with old railway infrastructure between Connolly and the Point. It's slowly disappearing. Whatever about it not being in exactly in the right place. I hope we don't regret selling it off in the future. Then all we will hear is how there's no space.

    Apologies if this is off topic. But you guys seem to know what's happening...


  • #60
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,592 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    MyLove4Satan wrote: »
    They could turn them so they run up Park Lane to pass in front of the station (on the quays) and then back down the other side onto Mayor Street Upper. A Luas Station for the DART station and the Convention Centre could be on Park Lane itself so as to not stop on the quays. Then the incline into the reopened station is not an issue.

    https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3482694,-6.2385035,280m/data=!3m1!1e3

    They're not going to put a significant diversion in just to move the trains a tiny bit closer to the quays


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  • #61
    IE 222
    Registered Users Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭IE 222


    donvito99 wrote: »
    Presumably any underground station at Spencer Dock will have to be relatively shallow, in order to get trains up to the Northern Line?

    What was the max gradient proposed under Dart Underground?

    There was mention of the max 3.5% gradient limit been breach in various options but not sure if that was the station, the approach or a portal ect.


  • #62
    IE 222
    Registered Users Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭IE 222


    beauf wrote: »
    Not trying to be negative. But have they made any real progress towards the capacity issues at Connolly. While all these other ideas are great, is Connolly not a keystone around everything else has to fit.

    There was a lot of spare land with old railway infrastructure between Connolly and the Point. It's slowly disappearing. Whatever about it not being in exactly in the right place. I hope we don't regret selling it off in the future. Then all we will hear is how there's no space.

    Apologies if this is off topic. But you guys seem to know what's happening...

    Other than a small number of track alterations there is nothing happening with Connolly. The relief will be either a Connolly upgrade or Dart Tunnel. The Dart+ plans for Spencer Dock do very little in easing congestion at Connolly.

    I'd suspect the Connolly upgrade was put on hold to wait for Cross Boarder and Tunnel review. Should neither of them bear fruit, Connolly upgrade could be included into the Dart+ Coastal project.


  • #63
    Peregrine
    Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,403 Mod ✭✭✭✭Peregrine


    donvito99 wrote: »
    Presumably any underground station at Spencer Dock will have to be relatively shallow, in order to get trains up to the Northern Line?

    What was the max gradient proposed under Dart Underground?

    Not sure about shallow but it wasn't as deep as the other stations. The previous Docklands station was around 20m below ground. Most others on the line were 25m below ground.


  • #64
    MyLove4Satan
    Registered Users Posts: 326 ✭✭MyLove4Satan


    L1011 wrote: »
    They're not going to put a significant diversion in just to move the trains a tiny bit closer to the quays


    they will if this is the approach line for the DART Underground.


  • #65
    IE 222
    Registered Users Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭IE 222


    MyLove4Satan wrote: »
    they will if this is the approach line for the DART Underground.

    They won't. A tunnel been a tunnel would mean it would run under the Luas.

    It would be a lot more feasible to put the whole station underground than to have both a surface and underground crossing Mayor street and diverting Luas onto the North Quay.


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