Munster vs Toulouse, Sat 3rd April 3:00pm; BT Sport 3

thomond2006

Munster rode their luck in the first half. Just not enough.

Akrasia

How often can you score 4 tries in a HCup knockout game and still lose

fitz

Munsters discipline and reaction to Toulouse going ahead cost them dearly.

aloooof

That was a cracker of a game, would’ve loved to have been there today, and who knows what difference the crowd might have made.

Toulouse’s power game meant we had to soak so many tackles, which gave them the platform for some of the moments of class from the backs, and that proved the difference. It’ll take a quality team to beat Toulouse this year.

AbusesToilets

Barnes letting guys come in from the side at rucks constantly. Frustrating to see go uncalled, given how on top of the offsides line he chose to be.

Carberry has not been impressive at all. Hopefully a decent preseason can see him come back to form. Great game from Murray. His passing was excellent, really brought runners on well.

Beirne going off really cost Munster. Carbery for the second week in a row a serious weak link in defence and successfully targeted.

DeAllede brilliant today after going missing last week. Earls on top form too and Haley good in attack and defensively.

Toulouse getting the first try after the break was a big momentum shift.

Very entertaining game, much better from Munster this weekend but ran out of gas last 20 minutes.

ElisaAtWar

Couple of poor decisions by Haley in quick succession made a difference. First the kick thru when having an overlap and then not delaying the pass to Conway until the defense had committed. Simple errors that potentially could/should have lead to tries

Burkie1203

https://twitter.com/RuaidhriOC/status/1378352765672558592

The Inbetween is mine

Last week we were beaten out the gate...this week we lost to a forward try....these things happen... but still hard to take....good performance, Earls, Coombes DeAllende and Kleyn were fantastic ....
best of luck to Toulouse against Clermont.. that's going to be a cracker!

twinytwo

Any chance of getting rid of JVG now?

thomond2006

Overall, Munster faded badly in the second half. Hopefully the addition of Snyman and Jenkins into that pack can help us compete in the collisions.

Akrasia

The Inbetween is mine wrote: »

Last week we were beaten out the gate...this week we lost to a forward try....these things happen... but still hard to take....good performance, Earls, Coombes DeAllende and Kleyn were fantastic ....
best of luck to Toulouse against Clermont.. that's going to be a cracker!

I’m going for La Rochelle as my sub Munster
Should make the Semis with the draw they got

Akrasia

twinytwo wrote: »

Any chance of getting rid of JVG now?

Feck off

arsebiscuits1

Why was the tactic to kick away possession on turnover ball?

Why didn't they send it wide earlier on advantage in the toulouse 22?

Why are they slowing down the ball after winning 4/5 collisions in a row?

Munster look an under coached side.

Serious questions i think need to be asked of Johan

Clegg

Akrasia wrote: »

Feck off

There's been little progress since he took over. It's a fair question to ask.

pickarooney

That was a fantastic game from both sides. Frantic stuff with lots of skill and a bag of tries.

Paul Smeenus

Tough lines, Munster. Same issue Ulster had when we played them at home - their bench is extraordinary. Only Leinster of all the provinces could potentially live with them in the last quarter.

Some self-respect restored with that performance, surely.

JimmyCorkhill

twinytwo wrote: »

Any chance of getting rid of JVG now?

The sooner Munster fans accept their players are not good enough the better.

Not saying you cannot upgrade on JVG but the players as a squad are not good enough to win trophies, especially in some of the forward positions.

thomond2006

I didn't realise until the BT analysis how many opportunities Munster blew to score tries. That game was there for us.

arsebiscuits1

JimmyCorkhill wrote: »

The sooner Munster fans accept their players are not good enough the better.

Not saying you cannot upgrade on JVG but the players as a squad are not good enough to win trophies, especially in some of the forward positions.

I don't think that's true.

Issue at Hooker and Tighthead. But they've decent players there who provide solid set piece platforms.

Outside of that Munster have excellent players who under a different coaching structure would thrive

breezy1985

Akrasia wrote: »

Feck off

I don't see too many Munster fans round Limerick singing his praises. Not saying people hate him and want him gone but are pretty neutral to him.

If he went tomorrow would anyone really be that bothered by the decision

yerrahbah

Restarts killed us. I'd love to know how many points we coughed up by not exiting properly after a restart.

arsebiscuits1

thomond2006 wrote: »

I didn't realise until the BT analysis how many opportunities Munster blew to score tries. That game was there for us.

Hundred percent.

They came away with 6 points from 2 plays in the 22 on pen advantage.

Knockout rugby you need to turn those into 7 pointers.

Haley boots forward when a simple pop will have manufactured a 2v1.

And yet apparently it was Barnes that ****ed it for Munster

JimmyCorkhill

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

I don't think that's true.

Issue at Hooker and Tighthead. But they've decent players there who provide solid set piece platforms.

Outside of that Munster have excellent players who under a different coaching structure would thrive

Decent is right, but you need better than decent to win the big games more regularly & trophies.

theVersatile

twinytwo wrote: »

Any chance of getting rid of JVG now?

You're choosing TODAY'S game, of all games, to peddle this nonsense? If it was another Leinster then fair enough but it's fairly daft to be calling for his head after that.

arsebiscuits1

JimmyCorkhill wrote: »

Decent is right, but you need better than decent to win the big games more regularly & trophies.

Do you really think that Munsters strongest 15 isn't good enough to win trophies?

Don't buy into that at all.

TRC10

Anyone who tries to blame Barnes is really clutching at straws. Twice Munster scored tries but then gifted Toulouse points after receiving the restarts. Munster played some superb rugbg but you can't expect to win anything with such poor game management.

That's what separates champion sides from the rest. Great sides score and then turn the screw on the opposition to drive home their advantage, not gift them scoring opportunities straight away from unforced errors or poor discipline.

Bitterly disappointing because Munster played some brilliant rugby today.

Glenomra

theVersatile wrote: »

You're choosing TODAY'S game, of all games, to peddle this nonsense? If it was another Leinster then fair enough but it's fairly daft to be calling for his head after that.

Thìs Munster team needs a major revamp. Once the kings of Europeans rugby, now the poor relations. Losing consistently to leinster has destroyed the morale.

thomond2006

Glenomra wrote: »

Thìs Munster team needs a major revamp.

It's getting one.

ElisaAtWar

thomond2006 wrote: »

I didn't realise until the BT analysis how many opportunities Munster blew to score tries. That game was there for us.

It really was Thomond. Munster threw the ball around well but the lack of belief, or would I say panicking at the last moment, really cost them the game. I suppose you could argue that the reason for that panic was associated with not having a recent history of playing such a style of rugby. The opportunities were there. Tiz a shame but the potential is there.

And you can't blame a coach for poor on field decisions

Clegg

Will need to rewatch the game, but on initial viewing it seems Toulouse won that from the bench. They outmuscled and finished far stronger than Munster who just didn't have the same power to call upon.

thomond2006

Clegg wrote: »

Will.need to rewatch the game, but on initial viewing it seems Toulouse won that from the bench. They outmuscled and finished far stronger than Munster who just didn't have the same power to call upon.

This is why Munster signed Jenkins and why Snyman is desperately missed.

thomond2006

Former Former Former wrote: »

It did require a shocking implosion from Clermont and it's hard to see Toulouse doing likewise if they get a big lead.

But they won't, Munster will win today.

cameramonkey

love to see the returns from Munster's kicking game, they seem never to re-gather and often to lose out when fielding opposition kicks.

costacorta

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

Do you really think that Munsters strongest 15 isn't good enough to win trophies?

Don't buy into that at all.

Well they haven’t won trophies so the answer must be yes !! Are you saying that today’s squad are strong enough to enjoy champions cup?

The Inbetween is mine

cameramonkey wrote: »

love to see the returns from Munster's kicking game, they seem never to re-gather and often to lose out when fielding opposition kicks.

We'll have to get Aherne back into his real position from now on

thomond2006

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

Do you really think that Munsters strongest 15 isn't good enough to win trophies?

Don't buy into that at all.

The front row, when you consider that you really need 5 or 6 great front rowers these days, isn't good enough.

letowski

thomond2006 wrote: »

This is why Munster signed Jenkins and why Snyman is desperately missed.

Agreed, I think Munster need more carrying power from their tight 5, that’s 2 weeks in a row we’ve shown to be deficient in that area. RG and Jenkins will improve things, but we need more talent coming through in the front row. What I’d give for a Kelleher or a Marchand.

The Inbetween is mine

letowski wrote: »

Agreed, I think Munster need more carrying power from their tight 5, that’s 2 weeks in a row we’ve shown to be deficient in that area. RG and Jenkins will improve things, but we need more talent coming through in the front row. What I’d give for a Kelleher or a Marchand.

We are letting Marshall go, absolutely devastating with ball in hand, and that decision still puzzles me tbh...but O'Byrne is capable of gaining yards also

JimmyCorkhill

arsebiscuits1 wrote: »

Do you really think that Munsters strongest 15 isn't good enough to win trophies?

Don't buy into that at all.

Yes I do, genuinely. Not good enough to win Champions Cup & Leinster comfortably have their number in Pro 14

Losing Stander now and replacing with JOD is weakening them.

POM shouldnt have got his 2 yr extension,is on the wane. Missing another strong prop.

Farrell not good enough in centre.

UAEguy2020

JimmyCorkhill wrote: »

Yes I do, genuinely. Not good enough to win Champions Cup & Leinster comfortably have their number in Pro 14

Losing Stander now and replacing with JOD is weakening them.

POM shouldnt have got his 2 yr extension,is on the wane. Missing another strong prop.

Farrell not good enough in centre.

How bad must that make Toulouse considering they needed Barnes to save their ass today.

theVersatile

If Coombes isn't capped in the Autumn I'm joining the Niallof Andy Farrell Train Of Despisement

Faugheen

UAEguy2020 wrote: »

How bad must that make Toulouse considering they needed Barnes to save their ass today.

They really didn’t.

razorblunt

They went out swinging. That’s all that could be asked.

Goodbye JJ, there will be no (second) encore.

UAEguy2020

Faugheen wrote: »

They really didn’t.

They really did, take your Toulouse specs off.

Burkie1203

UAEguy2020 wrote: »

They really did, take your Toulouse specs off.

Murray not carded. He played a major role in the two Munster tries in the 12 min after that.

Earls not carded. IMO he should have been.

Munster lost primarily because of a lack of imagination with Pen advantage.

Yeah_Right

UAEguy2020 wrote: »

How bad must that make Toulouse considering they needed Barnes to save their ass today.

That is such a BS statement. Barnes was not the reason Munster lost. Toulouse were the better team.

TRC10

UAEguy2020 wrote: »

They really did, take your Toulouse specs off.

They just didn't man. Murray was so lucky not to get yellow when he killed the ball after the Ntamack break. Earls could easily have gotten yellow for the in air tackle on Kolbe. He was very consistent with his reffing on the breakdown and the offside line.

There was nowhere near enough evidence of a knock on to disallow Dupont's 2nd try. And it's not like that won them the game anyway.

JimmyCorkhill

UAEguy2020 wrote: »

How bad must that make Toulouse considering they needed Barnes to save their ass today.

Worry about Munster.

Team/squad is not good enough to win trophies. Bring your Rog etc in.

Still need better players

Head in the sand stuff.

lawred2

razorblunt wrote: »

They went out swinging. That’s all that could be asked.

Goodbye JJ, there will be no (second) encore.

Agreed. Gave ita crack this week. More than can be said for last week.