Belfast Disturbances

FrancieBrady

RobMc59 wrote: »

It's ironic that this cowardly attempted attack will probably work in favour of those wanting the protocol streamlined.

Before the street violence even started the prblems with the Protocol were identified and are currently being fixed. The 'problem' = Britain's laziness about using the streamlining built into it.

The Protocol is staying and Johnson is again talking out of the side of his mouth when addressing the gullible.

RobMc59

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Before the street violence even started the prblems with the Protocol were identified and are currently being fixed. The 'problem' = Britain's laziness about using the streamlining built into it.

The Protocol is staying and Johnson is again talking out of the side of his mouth when addressing the gullible.

I'm not disputing that the protocol will stay.I note you've moved from your assertion it won't be 'tweaked' or 'fixed' as you seem to prefer.

FrancieBrady

RobMc59 wrote: »

I'm not disputing that the protocol will stay.I note you've moved from your assertion it won't be 'tweaked' or 'fixed' as you seem to prefer.

There isn't a difference. All that is happening is accommodation already in the Protocol are being activated.

There's loads of ways of saying the same thing.

Which would make Johnson a liar - something you seem to want to deflect from.

steddyeddy

RobMc59 wrote: »

So are the pictures of him with convicted terrorists fake?

It's Northern Ireland Rob there's convicted and unconvicted terrorists in government on all sides. Boris Johnson himself was supportive of the terrorist soldiers that shot unarmed people on bloody Sunday. That's no difference from someone supporting the Birmingham pub bombings.

RobMc59

FrancieBrady wrote: »

There isn't a difference. All that is happening is accommodation already in the Protocol are being activated.

There's loads of ways of saying the same thing.

Which would make Johnson a liar - something you seem to want to deflect from.

Not really,I've already said I don't believe a word Johnson says.His BS is legendary.Who is disputing that?
Quite why you want to discuss Johnson being a lier(which we are all aware of)rather than an attempted terrorist attack which will probably spook brussels even more in regards to the protocol is a mystery.

FrancieBrady

RobMc59 wrote: »

Not really,I've already said I don't believe a word Johnson says.His BS is legendary.Who is disputing that?
Quite why you want to discuss Johnson being a lier(which we are all aware of)rather than an attempted terrorist attack which will probably spook brussels even more in regards to the protocol is a mystery.

Because somebody introduced what he said on the Spotlight programme? And tried to make the case that the violence has led to achieving something.

The topic of the thread.

Penfailed

RobMc59 wrote: »

So are the pictures of him with convicted terrorists fake?

Mind that time Martin McGuinness was pictured with the queen?

EDIT - Someone beat me to it.

RandomViewer

Boris said a border poll is a long,long time away, so in Boris world is that Wednesday week?

downcow

RobMc59 wrote: »

So are the pictures of him with convicted terrorists fake?

Here she is with another terrorist https://www.irishnews.com/paywall/tsb/irishnews/irishnews/irishnews//news/northernirelandnews/2018/09/27/news/colum-eastwood-seeks-clarification-on-who-knew-what-and-when-about-whistleblower-s-rhi-abuse-claim-1444505/content.html

CelticRambler

RandomViewer wrote: »

Boris said a border poll is a long,long time away, so in Boris world is that Wednesday week?

Probably not - he'll be too busy enjoying the end of lockdown and having a jolly holiday in India next week. Double-mutated coronaviruses be damned.

downcow

RobMc59 wrote: »

I'm not disputing that the protocol will stay.I note you've moved from your assertion it won't be 'tweaked' or 'fixed' as you seem to prefer.

Exactly. He can’t have it both ways.

downcow

FrancieBrady wrote: »

There isn't a difference. All that is happening is accommodation already in the Protocol are being activated.

There's loads of ways of saying the same thing.

Which would make Johnson a liar - something you seem to want to deflect from.

A number of posters here (can’t remember if you were one) said that all the rules eg about soil entering the Eu were not up for negotiation.
Whether you like it or not the street violence focused minds and I will predict that many rules which apply to the rest of the world will be eased, no matter what posters here say

FrancieBrady

downcow wrote: »

A number of posters here (can’t remember if you were one) said that all the rules eg about soil entering the Eu were not up for negotiation.
Whether you like it or not the street violence focused minds and I will predict that many rules which apply to the rest of the world will be eased, no matter what posters here say

There were 'easements' within the Protocol already.

Unionism set it's stall out, that's not what they want, they want the Protocol gone and it is not happening. Boris is lying to you, his delegate is over there in Brussels copperfastening it.
To keep you quiet he has thrown the 'long long time' bone to you as well. You can decide on how trustworthy you want to find that.

RobMc59

Penfailed wrote: »

Mind that time Martin McGuinness was pictured with the queen?

EDIT - Someone beat me to it.

If you look him up he was only convicted of fairly minor offences,possibly due his status as an alleged British spy.

RobMc59

CelticRambler wrote: »

Probably not - he'll be too busy enjoying the end of lockdown and having a jolly holiday in India next week. Double-mutated coronaviruses be damned.

He`s not going now due to covid situation in India.

Speedline

FrancieBrady wrote: »

There were 'easements' within the Protocol already.

Unionism set it's stall out, that's not what they want, they want the Protocol gone and it is not happening. Boris is lying to you, his delegate is over there in Brussels copperfastening it.
To keep you quiet he has thrown the 'long long time' bone to you as well. You can decide on how trustworthy you want to find that.

The 'long, long time' is assuming he will be in power for a long long time. Otherwise he's a spoofer.

RobMc59

downcow wrote: »

Exactly. He can’t have it both ways.

I`d wager francie is expecting `changes` to the interpretation of the protocol which is why he`s currently pulled his horns in,trying to divert attention to johnson. :rolleyes:

Seth Brundle

RobMc59 wrote: »

If you look him up he was only convicted of fairly minor offences,possibly due his status as an alleged British spy.

Are you referring to the unsubstantiated claims by Martin Ingram? Even the Irish Times reckons it's bull: https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/mcguinness-smear-does-not-hold-up-1.1012550?mode=amp

FrancieBrady

RobMc59 wrote: »

I`d wager francie is expecting `changes` to the interpretation of the protocol which is why he`s currently pulled his horns in,trying to divert attention to johnson. :rolleyes:

downcow introduced Johnson to the thread this morning Rob.

The Protocol is staying...Unionism wants it gone = fail.

Speedline

RobMc59 wrote: »

I`d wager francie is expecting `changes` to the interpretation of the protocol which is why he`s currently pulled his horns in,trying to divert attention to johnson. :rolleyes:

Boris will quietly back down, and the protocol will be implemented as previously agreed. Remember, the brexit agreement still has to be ratified by the EU.

FrancieBrady

Speedline wrote: »

Boris will quietly back down, and the protocol will be implemented as previously agreed. Remember, the brexit agreement still has to be ratified by the EU.

He has even admitted that he knew when he was telling Unionists that there wouldn't be a border that there would be.

And Unionists are blaming all and sundry and still hanging on his every word. There is loyalty and then there is gullibility.

RobMc59

FrancieBrady wrote: »

downcow introduced Johnson to the thread this morning Rob.

The Protocol is staying...Unionism wants it gone = fail.

That`s fine but the over zealous application which has seen more checks at the NI docks than major ports in France and Holland does seem strange and possibly counter productive.

Seth Brundle

Speedline wrote: »

Boris will quietly back down, and the protocol will be implemented as previously agreed. Remember, the brexit agreement still has to be ratified by the EU.

Plus there is still the legal action being taken by the EU against the UK for it's unilateral action on the Northern Ireland Protocol. Johnson doesn't want any hassle as that would mean he would have to do some work.

RobMc59

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Are you referring to the unsubstantiated claims by Martin Ingram? Even the Irish Times reckons it's bull: https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/mcguinness-smear-does-not-hold-up-1.1012550?mode=amp

We`ll probably never know the truth,not in our lifetimes anyway.

Seth Brundle

RobMc59 wrote: »

That`s fine but the over zealous application which has seen more checks at the NI docks than major ports in France and Holland does seem strange and possibly counter productive.

Is that because more UK goods are crossing the Irish sea than the channel?
Where is your source on this as I hadn't heard It?

Seth Brundle

RobMc59 wrote: »

We`ll probably never know the truth,not in our lifetimes anyway.

So you're admitting to spreading unsubstantiated rumours in order to prove a point?

FrancieBrady

RobMc59 wrote: »

That`s fine but the over zealous application which has seen more checks at the NI docks than major ports in France and Holland does seem strange and possibly counter productive.

Reports are that is being exaggerated for political purposes.

It's another Never Never ...well maybe' spat Rob and always was from the get go.

RobMc59

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Is that because more UK goods are crossing the Irish sea than the channel?
Where is your source on this as I hadn't heard It?

I`m still looking for the more up to date article I saw yesterday but this link is the gist of it.

https://www.itv.com/news/utv/2021-03-04/northern-irelands-chief-vet-warns-he-doesnt-have-enough-staff-to-manage-ni-protocol-checks

RobMc59

Seth Brundle wrote: »

So you're admitting to spreading unsubstantiated rumours in order to prove a point?

Seth,you must live in a bunker if you`ve never heard that said before!:rolleyes:

Seth Brundle

RobMc59 wrote: »

I`m still looking for the more up to date article I saw yesterday but this link is the gist of it.

https://www.itv.com/news/utv/2021-03-04/northern-irelands-chief-vet-warns-he-doesnt-have-enough-staff-to-manage-ni-protocol-checks

That particular article is just saying that the checks are burdensome but sure we all warned of this in advance. It doesnt make a comparison that says NI has seen more checks than major ports in France and Holland.