Belfast Disturbances

jm08

downcow wrote: »

Not at all. He was a nasty evil piece of work, responsible for numerous torture and death. He then double crosses his own for self interest Not my type of hero

What was his self interest? Money?

FrancieBrady

RobMc59 wrote: »

I see you're at it again.Your own government has acknowledged those born in NI are British yet you continue to spout the same load of old cobblers about 'choosing to identify '.

Where has the government here done that Rob?

The 1998 Good Friday Agreement recognises "the birthright of all the people of Northern Ireland to identify themselves and be accepted as Irish or British, or both, as they may so choose".

RobMc59

lurleen lumpkin wrote: »

Oh dear.

And if you're from Derry,you're British by birth until you decide otherwise.

FrancieBrady

RobMc59 wrote: »

And if you're from Derry,you're British by birth until you decide otherwise.

By decree of a 'British' court only Rob.

Derry is in Ireland though, and always will be.

jm08

RobMc59 wrote: »

And if you're from Derry,you're British by birth until you decide otherwise.

Thats only because the British Government failed to enact the legislation to reflect the GFA Agreement.

Nothing new there from a British Government.

Fionn1952

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Would vote to stay if the poll was held TODAY. Now look at the rest of findings.

A question which if answered honestly would have ME on the remaining part of the UK side. Perhaps not the decisive blow for Unification that some think.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

By decree of a 'British' court only Rob.

Derry is in Ireland though, and always will be.

Still peddling the discredited nonsense that everyone born on this island is automatically Irish?

This lack of respect and discourtesy to the British who have been born on this island has run out of road.

Seth Brundle

RobMc59 wrote: »

What exactly are you suggesting about Martin Mcguinness here?Can you substantiate those claims?

I countered your allegation that McGuinness was a British agent as you've no actual evidence of this.
I also made the point that had he been an agent then the British would have been behind a number of the murders of people in NI. The Irish Times link I earlier provided also made this implication.
Anyhow, the British actions leading to the deaths of the people on this island is not unheard of! It has plenty of deaths to its name!

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Would vote to stay if the poll was held TODAY. Now look at the rest of findings.

Yes, and if you look at the rest of the findings, you see a huge drop in the numbers who think there will be a united Ireland in 10 years.

The reality is that support for a united Ireland is falling in the North at a time when the so-called demographic dividend should be driving it in the opposite direction.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Yes, and if you look at the rest of the findings, you see a huge drop in the numbers who think there will be a united Ireland in 10 years.

The reality is that support for a united Ireland is falling in the North at a time when the so-called demographic dividend should be driving it in the opposite direction.

Huge drop from what and when?

Support for the status quo is below 50% while support for something there is no formulated proposal and plan for is only 6 points behind.
That tells it's own story.

RandomViewer

blanch152 wrote: »

Still peddling the discredited nonsense that everyone born on this island is automatically Irish?

This lack of respect and discourtesy to the British who have been born on this island has run out of road.

They aren't British, at best they can be described as Northern Irish, the title is United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, separate entity, not Britain,

downcow

Fionn1952 wrote: »

*citation needed*

I am saying on the island there are 5 wanting a United ireland to every 1 that wants ni to remain in UK
Although actually given the shock polls from Roi last night it’s much less than 5

downcow

McMurphy wrote: »

Yet you chose Northern Irish on your census form, despite British being an option available to you.

Which bit of this do you not understand. Someone from Liverpool can be british but might choose English on a census

RobMc59

downcow wrote: »

Which bit of this do you not understand. Someone from Liverpool can be british but might choose English on a census

That`s the beauty of it,you are Northern Irish,Scottish,Welsh or English but ALL British under the Union Flag.;)

FrancieBrady

downcow wrote: »

Which bit of this do you not understand. Someone from Liverpool can be british but might choose English on a census

So you chose Northern Irish to distinguish yourself from being British...are we not told when it suits that there are 3 identities now?

All sounds very confused tbh.

Fionn1952

downcow wrote: »

I am saying on the island there are 5 wanting a United ireland to every 1 that wants ni to remain in UK
Although actually given the shock polls from Roi last night it’s much less than 5

Are you saying that someone born in Galway who doesn't support Unification right now because of the craic your pals have been up to the last few nights isn't Irish? I've no idea what point you're trying to make. Are you suggesting they're British now? Wouldn't be the first time the British had tried to foist their nationality on someone, whether they wanted it or not in fairness.

It would only be a, 'shock' poll if you decided to count all the don't knows as No instead of noticing that even with all the questions that need to be answered, all the baggage and everything going on right now, it is still 2:1 in favour, Downcow.

jimmycrackcorm

RandomViewer wrote: »

They aren't British, at best they can be described as Northern Irish, the title is United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, separate entity, not Britain,

Seeing as we gave up our constitutional claim on NI, does the argument equivalence not hold that all people in NI are Northern Irish and not Irish either?

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Huge drop from what and when?

Support for the status quo is below 50% while support for something there is no formulated proposal and plan for is only 6 points behind.
That tells it's own story.

It used to be 1.4% behind, that is the real story.

Support for a united Ireland is falling faster than support for remaining in the UK.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So you chose Northern Irish to distinguish yourself from being British...are we not told when it suits that there are 3 identities now?

All sounds very confused tbh.

There are three primary identities.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

It used to be 1.4% behind, that is the real story.

Support for a united Ireland is falling faster than support for remaining in the UK.

No blanch, support for a UI if the poll was held today (or whenever the question was asked) is at 43%...quite remarkable given there is no formal plan or proposal.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

There are three primary identities.

Exactly and downcow chose one over the other...the one that represents his Northern Irishness as distinct from Britishness.

Am I doing it right?

jimmycrackcorm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No blanch, support for a UI if the poll was held today (or whenever the question was asked) is at 43%...quite remarkable given there is no formal plan or proposal.

The poll found that 43% of those surveyed disagreed with the statement that there would be a united Ireland within ten years, while 32% agreed and 25% did not know.

FrancieBrady

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

The poll found that 43% of those surveyed disagreed with the statement that there would be a united Ireland within ten years, while 32% agreed and 25% did not know.

I was replying to this:

Support for a united Ireland is falling faster than support for remaining in the UK.

Very high don't know answer there. Probably pandemic related, my opinion would have been at least ten years, before the pandemic hit, 2 to 4 years until a BP is called, 2 years to the poll itself, at least, and then a transition period.
Pandemic has set that back.

RobMc59

blanch152 wrote: »

There are three primary identities.

I sometimes wonder if we will all be taken aback with the revelation that francie was born in NI with his fascination of all things British.

ILoveYourVibes

blanch152 wrote: »

It used to be 1.4% behind, that is the real story.

Support for a united Ireland is falling faster than support for remaining in the UK.

Polls are meaningless.

You know that.

It all comes down to how many catholics vrs protestants. Unfortunately its still that sectarian.

Hamsterchops

Have the disturbances stopped?

Junkyard Tom

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Seeing as we gave up our constitutional claim on NI, does the argument equivalence not hold that all people in NI are Northern Irish and not Irish either?

No. 'Northern Irish' isn't mentioned in the Irish constitution or the GFA. We didn't give up our claim, we toned it down in return for the British (state) agreeing to piss off when the majority decide it's time to go.

Bunreacht na hÉireann

Article 3

1. It is the firm will of the Irish Nation, in harmony and friendship, to unite all the people who share the territory of the island of Ireland ... recognising that a united Ireland shall be brought about only by peaceful means

We've been over all this before Jimmy.

Feisar

There will be some craic when us Mexicans vote against a UI.

FrancieBrady

Feisar wrote: »

There will be some craic when us Mexicans vote against a UI.

25% would be some craic alright. At least you'd have the DUP as fellow citizens and allies to begin to mount the fight back?

Still dying to know who is gonna represent that anti-UI/partitionist vote politically.

Feisar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

25% would be some craic alright. At least you'd have the DUP as fellow citizens and allies to begin to mount the fight back?

Still dying to know who is gonna represent that anti-UI/partitionist vote politically.

Fair point as to who’ll represent it however people generally don’t like change.

Edit - actually do those in the republic get a say?