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    #152
    Dav010
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    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    No,I mean like asking nicely for the tenant to find a more suitable apartment and compensating the tenant for any costs arising.

    Has the RTB ever let a landlord away with "ah sure it was the agent that said it, don't blame me ".

    The landlord can then come to an appropriate arrangement with the agent that caused the cock up.

    Agent seems to have cocked up for sure and will no doubt get a bollocking from LL, but it’s hard to see how RTB would get involved here if the lease states the tenant needs written consent from the LL (rather than an email from the agent) and the MC rules prohibit pets. I have some sympathy for the tenant, but not enough to think she is due any form of compensation.


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    #153
    JimmyVik
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    Meathman12 wrote: »
    What happens if the decoration fee and deposit do not cover any damage?

    What duration do people live in rented accommodation in Germany? I've heard in media that its seen as a long term option.


    Usually the deposit is for damage.
    All of the decoration fee is for the redecoration. You dont get any of that back.
    In Germany if you damage a house more than your deposit you will pay the difference one way or the other. Its not like Ireland at all.


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    #154
    JimmyVik
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    radiotrickster wrote: »
    I've seen some places charge rent per pet (like thirty to fifth euro a month). You could ask can you pay extra rent or give an extra deposit.


    That would be an option alright but its Ireland. Legislation has tied people up, so it cant be done.


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    #155
    JimmyVik
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    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    No,I mean like asking nicely for the tenant to find a more suitable apartment and compensating the tenant for any costs arising.

    Has the RTB ever let a landlord away with "ah sure it was the agent that said it, don't blame me ".

    The landlord can then come to an appropriate arrangement with the agent that caused the cock up.


    At the end of the day this is a text message (which im betting isnt in anyway binding) against a lease.


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    #156
    AndrewJRenko
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    JimmyVik wrote: »
    At the end of the day this is a text message (which im betting isnt in anyway binding) against a lease.

    It's an email, not a text message.


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    #157
    Dav010
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    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    It's an email, not a text message.

    Neither is written.


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    #158
    AndrewJRenko
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    Dav010 wrote: »
    Neither is written.

    That doesn't mean much, tbh. There are huge transactions taking place entirely electronically every day.

    The more interesting question is how the email commitment stands against the lease agreement. I'd guess that would require specialist expertise to assess.


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    #159
    grassylawn
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    I rented an apartment and two houses with a lab sized dog without issue


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    #160
    Dav010
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    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    That doesn't mean much, tbh. There are huge transactions taking place entirely electronically every day.

    The more interesting question is how the email commitment stands against the lease agreement. I'd guess that would require specialist expertise to assess.

    It does when the lease says written permission must be obtained from the LL, early in the piece it says she got “written” permission from the Agent, but further down it says it was an email.

    As I’m sure you know, the RTB distinguishes between “written” and other forms of communication in relation to notices, so they have a clear interpretation of what “written” constitutes.


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    #161
    forestgirl
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    Any animal inside a house and the place will have a smell,I have a very large outside dog that comes in but I find myself washing the floors very frequently and he is only in a very short time I'd use dettol in the boiling water to ,I think a lot of pet owners can not get the smell as they are so used to it


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    #162
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    forestgirl wrote: »
    Any animal inside a house and the place will have a smell,I have a very large outside dog that comes in but I find myself washing the floors very frequently and he is only in a very short time I'd use dettol in the boiling water to ,I think a lot of pet owners can not get the smell as they are so used to it
    Febreze built a whole ad campaign around it ...



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    #163
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    Question for landlords.

    What is the position on assistance dogs? e.g. guide dogs.

    Can you refuse them?

    Can MCs ban them?


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    #164
    Lesalare
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    forestgirl wrote: »
    Any animal inside a house and the place will have a smell,I have a very large outside dog that comes in but I find myself washing the floors very frequently and he is only in a very short time I'd use dettol in the boiling water to ,I think a lot of pet owners can not get the smell as they are so used to it

    A very large dog will have a very different smell to a 3.5kg cat, or a small Jack Russell or Pug etc... All dogs need to be bathed regularly. If you keep your animal clean you house does not smell.

    I have asked numerous mates if they smell any semblance of my cat in my apartment and every single one has said no.

    Houses only smell of dog if the owners don't wash their dogs regularly. I know this as my sister's house stinks of dog at time when she brings them out walking, they get wet and she doesn't bathe them.


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    #165
    Dav010
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Question for landlords.

    What is the position on assistance dogs? e.g. guide dogs.

    Can you refuse them?

    Can MCs ban them?

    Isn’t a guide dog still a dog?


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    #166
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    Dav010 wrote: »
    Isn’t a guide dog still a dog?

    It is, but assistance dogs like guide dogs are not pets.


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    #167
    AndrewJRenko
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Question for landlords.

    What is the position on assistance dogs? e.g. guide dogs.

    Can you refuse them?

    Can MCs ban them?

    There was a blind nun who won a case against the Wicked Wolf in Blackrock some years back when they refused her entry with her guide dog. I'd imagine the same non-discrimination principle applies to property letting.


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    #168
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    A quick google and I answered my own question - it says it is indeed covered by the Equal Status Act 2010, and a landlord can't deny or evict someone on the grounds of owning an assistance dog.

    But I guess like anything else, they will find another way to avoid renting to the person with one.


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    #169
    forestgirl
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    Lesalare wrote: »
    A very large dog will have a very different smell to a 3.5kg cat, or a small Jack Russell or Pug etc... All dogs need to be bathed regularly. If you keep your animal clean you house does not smell.

    I have asked numerous mates if they smell any semblance of my cat in my apartment and every single one has said no.

    Houses only smell of dog if the owners don't wash their dogs regularly. I know this as my sister's house stinks of dog at time when she brings them out walking, they get wet and she doesn't bathe them.

    I understand all that and my house has no smell of dog but not everyone is as clean as the next person so a landlord has to have one rule for all and quite rightly,I wonder would the renters be as quick to put a dog in the house if it was their own?


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    #170
    forestgirl
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    forestgirl wrote: »
    I understand all that and my house has no smell of dog but not everyone is as clean as the next person so a landlord has to have one rule for all and quite rightly,I wonder would the renters be as quick to put a dog in the house if it was their own?

    Anyway its so unfair to have a pet in a house they want and need fresh air all the time,how about what a pet needs


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    #171
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    forestgirl wrote: »
    Anyway its so unfair to have a pet in a house they want and need fresh air all the time,how about what a pet needs

    My (now deceased) cocker spaniel would argue with you about that. She hated going outside if it was cold, or wet! She loved her nice warm cosy basket.


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    #172
    Lesalare
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    forestgirl wrote: »
    Anyway its so unfair to have a pet in a house they want and need fresh air all the time,how about what a pet needs

    By reading your posts, I am gathering your dog lives outside for most of the time?


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    #173
    Antares35
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    Dav010 wrote: »
    It does when the lease says written permission must be obtained from the LL, early in the piece it says she got “written” permission from the Agent, but further down it says it was an email.

    As I’m sure you know, the RTB distinguishes between “written” and other forms of communication in relation to notices, so they have a clear interpretation of what “written” constitutes.

    An email is legally binding and constitutes "in writing" for the purposes of the law.


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    #174
    Lesalare
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    forestgirl wrote: »
    Anyway its so unfair to have a pet in a house they want and need fresh air all the time,how about what a pet needs

    Domesticated animals such as cats and dogs should be kept inside for a larger % than they should be outside. Personally I cannot stand folk who get such 'pets' and say "They live outside!".. It's just not part of my make up to leave a cat or a dog outside for 90% of its life.

    If I had a dog I'd walk it 2 - 3 times per day but other than that it lives inside.
    My cat is an indoor cat for a plethora of reasons, but goes outside on my very large balcony.


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    #175
    Antares35
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    Dav010 wrote: »
    Isn’t a guide dog still a dog?

    Bus drivers can refuse a dog but not a guide dog. Go figure.


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    #176
    Lesalare
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    forestgirl wrote: »
    Anyway its so unfair to have a pet in a house they want and need fresh air all the time,how about what a pet needs

    I think it's much more unfair to leave these pets out in the pouring rain and cold. Why bother getting a pet if one sticks it outside all the time?


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    #177
    Dav010
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    Antares35 wrote: »
    An email is legally binding and constitutes "in writing" for the purposes of the law.

    The RTB would disagree, a rent review and eviction notice must be in writing, an email is invalid. Tenancies disputes are covered by the RTB.


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    #178
    Antares35
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    Dav010 wrote: »
    The RTB would disagree, a rent review and eviction notice must be in writing, an email is invalid. Tenancies disputes are covered by the RTB.

    Were you not talking about tenant permission a minute ago?


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    #179
    Dav010
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    Antares35 wrote: »
    Were you not talking about tenant permission a minute ago?

    Are you saying that the RTB interprets “in writing” differently depending on the type of correspondence? What are you basing this on?

    https://www.rtb.ie/ending-a-tenancy/sample-notices-of-termination

    Point no.1, “in writing” is clarified, an email will not suffice.


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    #180
    Antares35
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    Dav010 wrote: »
    Are you saying that the RTB interprets “in writing” differently depending on the type of correspondence? What are you basing this on?

    No, it looks like you are though. I'm speaking generally that the law does recognise an email as "in writing".

    Edit, again you're talking now about termination of tenancy whereas before it was tenant permission to have a dog..which is it?


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    #181
    Dav010
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    Antares35 wrote: »
    No, it looks like you are though. I'm speaking generally that the law does recognise an email as "in writing".

    Edit, again you're talking now about termination of tenancy whereas before it was tenant permission to have a dog..which is it?

    Again, I’m talking about what the RTB interprets “in writing” to mean. If they interpret it to mean an email in a dispute in relation to a lease, how could they at the same time prohibit an email to be used as a written means of serving a notice?

    As a matter of interest, are you saying that as an email is recognised legally as a form of written communication, the RTB are wrong to interpret the term “in writing” in the RTA legislation as a written document for serving notice?


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