Eamon Ryan hoping to stop cheap flights to sunny destinations

satguy

Eamon thinks we should not get low cost flights, and load up the kids into the car and head to Courtown instead.

Eamon Ryan said he doesn’t expect people to be able to buy bargain flights for €10 in the future.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/politics/government-hoping-stop-cheap-flights-23884292

Might be better for all, if Eamon stays asleep.

branie2

He must be fun at parties

Amirani

Airlines should absolutely not continue to receive exemptions from fuel and carbon taxation. They don't pay for their emissions, unlike many industries, and that should change.

Unfortunately, that will lead to some increase in fares, but the current model of large corporations polluting the environment for free needs to stop.

Smee_Again

Airlines and passengers should pay the actual cost of the damage done to the environment by air travel.

Fake Scores

Wasn't it Eamon Ryan that used to get a taxi or limo to the top of Kildare Street and then cycle down to the Dáil and any photographers that were around

Thelonious Monk

Much like everything about modern society, not everything should be allowed to grow exponentially for the sake of money.
Flights are way too cheap given the pollution aspect, and there are way too many routes these days. Less airline routes in Europe, better high speed trains on the continent should be what we are aiming for, so you can fly to Madrid or Paris and jump on a train to Biarritz or San Sebastian instead of busy regional airports everywhere.
I doubt anyone will pay heed to Eamon so no one need worry.

satguy

The latest planes take nearly 200 passengers, and the new engines burn clean. This would be much better than filling up 100 cars and heading to some coast somewhere.

But Eamon wants to stop just the low cost flights, the rich can jet off to anywhere they want, at any time they want.

But you and me, should stay at home.

Leg End Reject

Another chance for all the lefties to call this "An attack on the most vulnerable in society".

Thelonious Monk

satguy wrote: »

The latest planes take nearly 200 passengers, and the new engines burn clean. This would be much better than filling up 100 cars and heading to some coast somewhere.

But Eamon wants to stop just the low cost flights, the rich can jet off to anywhere they want, at any time they want.

But you and me, should stay at home.

I would imagine he wants them to be priced at a value that recognises the environmental impact.
If flights doubled in price tomorrow, I doubt it'd have much impact on the amount of people flying or make it solely for the rich - we are all rich in Ireland compared to the vast majority of the world.

satguy

Leg End Reject wrote: »

Another chance for all the lefties to call this "An attack on the most vulnerable in society".

No,

But it is an attack on the average working family.

Geuze

Amirani wrote: »

Airlines should absolutely not continue to receive exemptions from fuel and carbon taxation. They don't pay for their emissions, unlike many industries, and that should change.

Unfortunately, that will lead to some increase in fares, but the current model of large corporations polluting the environment for free needs to stop.

Are airlines not in the EU ETS scheme?

I thought they are?

Geuze

Geuze wrote: »

Are airlines not in the EU ETS scheme?

I thought they are?

https://ec.europa.eu/clima/policies/ets_en

I did a quick check, and airlines are in the ETS.


The EU ETS:

operates in all EU countries plus Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway
limits emissions from more than 10,000 heavy energy-using installations (power stations & industrial plants) and airlines operating between these countries
covers around 40% of the EU's greenhouse gas emissions.

Del2005

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Much like everything about modern society, not everything should be allowed to grow exponentially for the sake of money.
Flights are way too cheap given the pollution aspect, and there are way too many routes these days. Less airline routes in Europe, better high speed trains on the continent should be what we are aiming for, so you can fly to Madrid or Paris and jump on a train to Biarritz or San Sebastian instead of busy regional airports everywhere.
I doubt anyone will pay heed to Eamon so no one need worry.

That's fine if you have access to trains we on an Island don't. So instead of a single flight to the destination you now want to use several different methods of transport and take hours longer to reach your destination.

How is building high speed passenger lines, freight will still be on the slow lines, between cities better for the environment than already built airports and planes?

Atlantic Dawn

Smee_Again wrote: »

Airlines and passengers should pay the actual cost of the damage done to the environment by air travel.

As should people eating meat be paying for the environmental damage it's production results in, much worse than air travel.

Amirani

Geuze wrote: »

https://ec.europa.eu/clima/policies/ets_en

I did a quick check, and airlines are in the ETS.


The EU ETS:

operates in all EU countries plus Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway
limits emissions from more than 10,000 heavy energy-using installations (power stations & industrial plants) and airlines operating between these countries
covers around 40% of the EU's greenhouse gas emissions.

Yes, but there are substantial free allowances given to airlines under the ETS. About 32 million tonnes were given free in 2019 for example.

Even without that, there is still a tax-free exemption on kerosene worth about €27 billion. This isn't enjoyed by other industries on the fuel they buy.

https://www.transportenvironment.org/press/eu-sat-data-showing-benefits-ending-airlines%E2%80%99-tax-break-%E2%80%93-leak

satguy

Eamon has made the GP a laughing stock, They will be lucky if they ever win a seat again.

GP TD's should be helping people, not hurting them, and now we have all seen what it would be like if they won many seats at a GE.

And it's not pretty.

PuddingBreath

satguy wrote: »

Eamon thinks we should not get low cost flights, and load up the kids into the car and head to Courtown instead.



https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/politics/government-hoping-stop-cheap-flights-23884292

Might be better for all, if Eamon stays asleep.

ya, Eamon wants us to "know our place" in society.

he can't even get anything done with basic stuff like water quality or especially littering. Where's the new laws and far bigger fines for the dirty feicers around the country ?
my local park is covered in dog manure, the nearest playground is destroyed with litter and/or mounds of clothes left by "our indigenous ethnic community"
fly tipping on the rise.

he's shooting for the stars while tripping over his shoelaces


we can't have clean water, clean playgrounds, clean streets, clean seas and now we can't go to other countries to get a break from it all unless we remortgage the house.

Eamon's thinking ?: "we've created a S-hole, now enjoy it"


i'll never be misguided enough again to ever even consider voting for the greens



PS: and my tap water tastes like washing up liquid, we have to filter it

Thelonious Monk

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

As should people eating meat be paying for the environmental damage it's production results in, much worse than air travel.

Meat, plastics, clothes, all of this stuff pollutes heavily and shouldn't be as cheap as they are. When you have the government and lobbyists backing things like the expansion of dairy, which has led to our water quality decreasing greatly in recent years, Eamon can hardly stop this. Greater powers are at play.
I find it funny how people think because the Greens are in power, they can suddenly stop littering, polluting our waterways, and every other green issue that has been a problem for decades. The same people who want them out at the next election.

Amirani

PuddingBreath wrote: »

ya, Eamon wants us to "know our place" in society.

he can't even get anything done with basic stuff like water quality or especially littering. Where's the new laws and far bigger fines for the dirty feicers around the country ?
my local park is covered in dog manure, the nearest playground is destroyed with litter and/or mounds of clothes left by "our indigenous ethnic community"
fly tipping on the rise. it

You should try familiarise yourself with the differences between Local and National Government. Responsibility for control of littering lies with your local authority, not with a Government Minister.

There are currently fines of up to €3,000 allowed in legislation for small amounts of littering, with more serious pollution allowing on-the-spot fines of up to €130,000. What new and bigger fines would you like?

satguy

The last GE showed us two things.

No.1 Just how spineless FF really are.
No.2 Just how bad the Green Party really is.

Thanks ..

SF next time for sure.

PuddingBreath

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

As should people eating meat be paying for the environmental damage it's production results in, much worse than air travel.

can the producer of the meat not pay and then pass the cost on ? why are farmers not made limit their dairy and beef production? say they have to do 50/50 tillage/beef or 50/50 dairy/tillage as in they MUST produce veg AND meat.



im not a farmer, but having observed from a distance it seems unhealthy to me to have cows locked in sheds during the winter months.

Louis Friend

Increasing the price of air trave will just penalise the poor.

PuddingBreath

Amirani wrote: »

You should try familiarise yourself with the differences between Local and National Government. Responsibility for control of littering lies with your local authority, not with a Government Minister.

There are currently fines of up to €3,000 allowed in legislation for small amounts of littering, with more serious pollution allowing on-the-spot fines of up to €130,000. What new and bigger fines would you like?

it starts at the top, the government must set the agenda and resource it. 130k seems very low if it's a serious case of pollution.

on the spot fines should be larger and cameras need to be installed.

also, whataboutery much ?

NSAman

Louis Friend wrote: »

Increasing the price of air trave will just penalise the poor.

Not if you get “gifted” it....

whisky_galore

Amirani wrote: »

You should try familiarise yourself with the differences between Local and National Government. Responsibility for control of littering lies with your local authority, not with a Government Minister.

There are currently fines of up to €3,000 allowed in legislation for small amounts of littering, with more serious pollution allowing on-the-spot fines of up to €130,000. What new and bigger fines would you like?

Fines don't work. It's not like litterers stand next to their black bags for a few weeks or months until a litter warden shows up.
You would have to be exceptionally stupid or unlucky to get caught.

Allinall

Louis Friend wrote: »

Increasing the price of air trave will just penalise the poor.

It won't.

The vast majority of air travel is optional, so they would be penalising themselves.

Louis Friend

Allinall wrote: »

It won't.

The vast majority of air travel is optional, so they would be penalising themselves.

What do you mean?

If the price of flights trebled, it wouldn’t affect me at all, but lots of people would be screwed.

Strumms

So he’s kicking airlines and airline passengers. An industry that brings about 4 billion per year into the economy.

We are a fûcking ISLAND nation. The guy is an absolute clown.

We rely on the aviation industry massively as an island nation for the movement of people AND imports and exports..

Main Freight / Cargo Exports :

Pharmaceuticals, medical devices, IT equipment, machinery, foodstuffs...

Ireland as an island nation will ALWAYS have a NEED for air travel as a primary means of transport for people and goods between ourselves and other country’s ...

Instead of trying to derail this fact of life, Ryan would be better off encouraging the likes of the purchasers of hybrid cars to get a two year exemption from paying road tax.

Strumms

satguy wrote: »

Eamon has made the GP a laughing stock, They will be lucky if they ever win a seat again.

GP TD's should be helping people, not hurting them, and now we have all seen what it would be like if they won many seats at a GE.

And it's not pretty.

1000%, they’d be a fućking disaster... Ryan and that shower are an absolute bunch of *#%@&*

freshpopcorn

That’s what to be expected you are dealing with the Irish version of the Green Party.

Tazz T

Allinall wrote: »

It won't.

The vast majority of air travel is optional, so they would be penalising themselves.

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What?

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