Eamon Ryan hoping to stop cheap flights to sunny destinations

Banana Republic 1

RandomViewer wrote: »

Emissions or estimated emissions as measurement seems to be quite haphazard,

Why do yo think that ?

Bass Reeves

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/elon-musk-worlds-richest-person-2.png

That is an optical illusion. Many Asian and Middle eastern countries have there wealth in Sovereign wealth funds. As well in countries like China very wealthy individuals do not record there wealth.

Banana Republic 1

Bass Reeves wrote: »

That is an optical illusion. Many Asian and Middle eastern countries have there wealth in Sovereign wealth funds. As well in countries like China very wealthy individuals do not record there wealth.

Right....

Bass Reeves

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

Right....

I know

RandomViewer

tom1ie wrote: »

There’s also a lot of decent aul skins that just wanna reduce pollution, improve health, and protect nature.
Maybe not in the parliamentary party but certainly those that “follow” the greens.

Ryan sees pollution as another cash cow for the relatives, Irish Green party have no interest in actual environment just how much money they can milk out of it, again the quasi- religion aspect of a group using someone's beliefs for their own nefarious ends

Strumms

What Eamoon Ryan has endeavored to do and is endeavoring to do for Ireland...

Re-Introduce wolves into Ireland, not Dublin Zoo, the wild. No care or interest as regards the livestock of farmers... wolves are extinct in Ireland for almost 240 years..that didn’t go down well.

He wants to cripple the aviation industry and Ireland and its people’s ability to travel.

A minister for transport who is against people traveling but wishes to fill the fücking country with wild wolves.

Kivaro

Strumms wrote: »

What Eamoon Ryan has endeavored to do and is endeavoring to do for Ireland...

Re-Introduce wolves into Ireland, not Dublin Zoo, the wild. No care or interest as regards the livestock of farmers... wolves are extinct in Ireland for almost 240 years..that didn’t go down well.

He wants to cripple the aviation industry and Ireland and its people’s ability to travel.

Ok, I gotta ask.
Did you spell his name like that because of his fascination with wolves? :pac:

Strumms

Kivaro wrote: »

Ok, I gotta ask.
Did you spell his name like that because of his fascination with wolves? :pac:

It was a genuine typo but apt. :P

spring lane jack

RandomViewer wrote: »

Ryan sees pollution as another cash cow for the relatives, Irish Green party have no interest in actual environment just how much money they can milk out of it, again the quasi- religion aspect of a group using someone's beliefs for their own nefarious ends

Exactly.. If they gave two ****s we would be undertaking huge reforestation projects in our empty mountainous regions.

Banana Republic 1

RandomViewer wrote: »

Ryan sees pollution as another cash cow for the relatives, Irish Green party have no interest in actual environment just how much money they can milk out of it, again the quasi- religion aspect of a group using someone's beliefs for their own nefarious ends

Like Leo veradkar then.

Zebra3

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Yes the poor

They hadn’t a chance before Ryanair

Cattle boat to Holyhead

Maybe Eamon wants us back there

What cattle boat to Holyhead? I got the boat from Dublin and Dún Laoghaire to Holyhead back in the 80s and 90s and I've no idea what you're on about.

Bass Reeves

spring lane jack wrote: »

Exactly.. If they gave two ****s we would be undertaking huge reforestation projects in our empty mountainous regions.

Very few if our mountain regions were covered with forrestry historically. If you look at what are left of our national park forrest most were covered with none dense oak, ash and beech along with alder, Scots pine, willow etc.

That is not what we plant now. There was very little forrestry 4-500 feet above sea level

Thelonious Monk

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Very few if our mountain regions were covered with forrestry historically. If you look at what are left of our national park forrest most were covered with none dense oak, ash and beech along with alder, Scots pine, willow etc.

That is not what we plant now. There was very little forrestry 4-500 feet above sea level

Trees grow at 800ft on Irish/Scottish uplands if left alone. Our uplands are stripped bare by overgrazing, if we left them alone for a while and fenced off areas instead of commonage and sheep everywhere we'd see a huge boost to biodiversity in Ireland. Unfortunately setting fire to any type of growth on uplands is what we do in Ireland.

Arealred

This sums up the Green Party. They don't live in the real world. Between trying to reintroduce wolves, car sharing in rural villages, growing lettuce on the windowsills it doesn't cut it in the real world.

In addition to this they are shovelling money into cycle tracks and walkways etc (which I'm not against if done correctly) when there are huge problems in housing and health care. The sheer amount of money that is being spent on poorly designed cycle lanes when our national debt is off the richter scale is not going to end well. It has 2009 written on it all over again.

The price for having the Greens holding the balance of power will be one we will end up paying for generations to come but we will have our lettuce , wolves and cycleways.

MyLove4Satan

Strumms wrote: »

So he’s kicking airlines and airline passengers. An industry that brings about 4 billion per year into the economy.

We are a fûcking ISLAND nation. The guy is an absolute clown.

We rely on the aviation industry massively as an island nation for the movement of people AND imports and exports..

Main Freight / Cargo Exports :

Pharmaceuticals, medical devices, IT equipment, machinery, foodstuffs...

Ireland as an island nation will ALWAYS have a NEED for air travel as a primary means of transport for people and goods between ourselves and other country’s ...

Instead of trying to derail this fact of life, Ryan would be better off encouraging the likes of the purchasers of hybrid cars to get a two year exemption from paying road tax.

This is pure truth but Lefties do not have the psychological faculties to understand such realities.

Atlantic Dawn

Does he really have a staff following him in a car with his papers etc while he cycles ahead? The energy rating of Dail Eireann should mean it should be leveled to the ground, why is it still standing? Any time I pass it windows are fully open to let out the million dollar heat being pumped in to it,

MyLove4Satan

this is not hyperbola, but honestly it has got to the point that historians will look upon the present Irish government as the one that destroyed Ireland for philosophical platitudes.

I am not joking when I say I consider Ryan to be an extremely dangerous individual. He is by his own words a fanatic and basically a John Charles McQuaid with a Vegan Burger. Add his zealotry to a smirking control freak psychopath like Varadker and a moron like Martin and I really do fear for Ireland.

We have never had a government as dangerous to the future of this nation since independence. It's terrifying actually.

Eric Cartman

I think that on the ‘climate’ issue while the real issue is in the southern world and east continued flouting of agreements and policy, the green party in Ireland and many other environment groups across europe are determined to institute policies which will cause a massive divide in society , ignoring the real targets like china and india and instead insisting that wealthy dublin dwelling hobby cyclists are on the right path while rural swellers, commuters forced out to areas like ashbourne, sallins, gorey etc.. should be punished for having to commute.

The greens benefit nobody, they ignore the real polluters, they give a pass to rich city dwellers, but punish the working class and rural communities instead of tackling the real issue

Thelonious Monk

Eric Cartman wrote: »

they ignore the real polluters, they give a pass to rich city dwellers, but punish the working class and rural communities instead of tackling the real issue

Are the rich city dwellers not the **** driving SUVs around D4 to bring their kids to school? The working class want to punish them too.

Mules

heroics wrote: »

Would you ever give the hockey stick graph a rest.

Strumms

Did Eamonn Ryan, ever consider that by forcing flights out of our skys and airports.. yes it will screw up life for the traveling public...

But too, every cargo compartment of an aircraft, (apart from Ryanair) of almost every passenger aircraft are full of pallets and containers of cargo..in addition to passenger bags...



If flights are being forced out of the sky, we have no way of attracting companies like Medtronic, Pfizer, MsD, GlaxoSmithKline...

They along with others, exports tens of thousands of tonnes of their products, they employ thousands of people here, directly and indirectly...if the connectivity of bio-pharma, biotechnology, medical diagnostics and life sciences are stopped by individuals like Ryan ? The country is fûcked....

Ryan won’t need to worry about climate change then.

spring lane jack

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Trees grow at 800ft on Irish/Scottish uplands if left alone. Our uplands are stripped bare by overgrazing, if we left them alone for a while and fenced off areas instead of commonage and sheep everywhere we'd see a huge boost to biodiversity in Ireland. Unfortunately setting fire to any type of growth on uplands is what we do in Ireland.

True The name Galtee comes from coillte which is forest. Trees soak up water too so it would made some impact on the flooding that occurs downstream.

end of the road

Zebra3 wrote: »

What cattle boat to Holyhead? I got the boat from Dublin and Dún Laoghaire to Holyhead back in the 80s and 90s and I've no idea what you're on about.

before the 60s late 50s when the ferries began taking cars, cattle would have been transported in the cargo holds of the ferries.
so referred to as the cattle boats.

end of the road

Strumms wrote: »

Did Eamonn Ryan, ever consider that by forcing flights out of our skys and airports.. yes it will screw up life for the traveling public...

But too, every cargo compartment of an aircraft, (apart from Ryanair) of almost every passenger aircraft are full of pallets and containers of cargo..in addition to passenger bags...



If flights are being forced out of the sky, we have no way of attracting companies like Medtronic, Pfizer, MsD, GlaxoSmithKline...

They along with others, exports tens of thousands of tonnes of their products, they employ thousands of people here, directly and indirectly...if the connectivity of bio-pharma, biotechnology, medical diagnostics and life sciences are stopped by individuals like Ryan ? The country is fûcked....

Ryan won’t need to worry about climate change then.

realistically how much cargo is exported and imported by air compared to by sea, and realistically is similar cargo not imported by sea as it is?
from what i can gather, the proposal seems to want to target cheap passenger flights rather then cargo flights which will always be needed to whatever extent they are needed.

fritzelly

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

A lot of China carbon dioxide emissions come from factories which build stuff that is sold in the west.

Cheap tat that doesn't work on arrival or not fit for purpose in the first place - and China continue to build more and more coal fuelled plants so not getting any better there, people can barely see out their windows due to the pollution
Flown across the world for next to nothing because China is a "third world country" (due to change soon)

Instead of closing every factory/industry close to us we should be imposing massive carbon taxes on everything coming into Ireland/Europe
So many many examples of it in Ireland alone that we now have to import

Whatever happened to countries being almost self sustaining and selling to the neighbouring country who didn't have what you had?

And I am in no way a greenie - remember the time when Gormless wanted to ban incandescent bulbs then the EU told him we are already banning them

Greens do nothing to the planet but penalize the poor whilst ignoring the biggest polluters because it's hard to bully someone bigger than you

Banana Republic 1

Arealred wrote: »

This sums up the Green Party. They don't live in the real world. Between trying to reintroduce wolves, car sharing in rural villages, growing lettuce on the windowsills it doesn't cut it in the real world.

In addition to this they are shovelling money into cycle tracks and walkways etc (which I'm not against if done correctly) when there are huge problems in housing and health care. The sheer amount of money that is being spent on poorly designed cycle lanes when our national debt is off the richter scale is not going to end well. It has 2009 written on it all over again.

The price for having the Greens holding the balance of power will be one we will end up paying for generations to come but we will have our lettuce , wolves and cycleways.

1 no amount of money given to the HSE will fix it cause it’s so incompetently run.
2 Perpetual debt is how the modern world runs.
3 The Finance ministries are held by FG and FF and have been for nigh on 85 years.
4 We import lettuce from the UK, Spain and the Netherlands, perhaps if more people bought Irish then the money would stay in Ireland.
5 The price of doing nothing on climate will be far higher then anything you can comprehend

Bass Reeves

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Trees grow at 800ft on Irish/Scottish uplands if left alone. Our uplands are stripped bare by overgrazing, if we left them alone for a while and fenced off areas instead of commonage and sheep everywhere we'd see a huge boost to biodiversity in Ireland. Unfortunately setting fire to any type of growth on uplands is what we do in Ireland.

I am not saying they don't what I am saying is that historically they were not a lot of tree on them. And again you are making an incorrect statement in saying that our common ages and hill land in general.is over grazed. Stocking rates mountains in Ireland has dropped massively over the last twenty years with the removal of subsidities linked to stocking rates. Most mountain are extensively stocked nowadays because it was uneconomical to produce Mountain lamb as there store price in the autumn was not sufficient to cover costs until about 2-3 years ago.

Many mountains and commonages have been destocked and attempts have been made to restock them. Many mountains are unsuitable for forrestry. In Ireland we get more high wind volume than elsewhere in Europe. Trees grown on mountains do not provide shelter for each other. Such afforestation suffers from windblow with a lot of trees suffering from windthrow and windsnap.

Forrestry companies pay 4-5k/ acres for forrestry land. A lot of mountain land can be bought for 800-2k so go figure

Bass Reeves

spring lane jack wrote: »

True The name Galtee comes from coillte which is forest. Trees soak up water too so it would made some impact on the flooding that occurs downstream.

Most of Ireland's mountain ranges are on the west coast. The Galtees are an inland mountain range so are more suitable for higher level forrestry a d Wicklow is similar. But mountain ranges along the west coast are more prone to windblow.

As well 800 feet is not high in a context of Irish mountains. The highest mountain in Ireland is 3300 feet, the top five are all above 3000 feet and the next 5 are all well above 2500 feet

Wanderer78

Poor eamonn, he means well but is just a little lost and deluded, he won't last much longer anyway

RoversCeltic

Arealred wrote: »

This sums up the Green Party. They don't live in the real world. Between trying to reintroduce wolves, car sharing in rural villages, growing lettuce on the windowsills it doesn't cut it in the real world.

In addition to this they are shovelling money into cycle tracks and walkways etc (which I'm not against if done correctly) when there are huge problems in housing and health care. The sheer amount of money that is being spent on poorly designed cycle lanes when our national debt is off the richter scale is not going to end well. It has 2009 written on it all over again.

The price for having the Greens holding the balance of power will be one we will end up paying for generations to come but we will have our lettuce , wolves and cycleways.

The money for cycle ways comes from.the transport budget, it means less is spent on roads rather than health. From now on, a certain percentage of the transport budget will be spent on active travel.