Eamon Ryan hoping to stop cheap flights to sunny destinations

Wanderer78

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

Debt is intrinsic to capitalism

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Not really, balanced budgets, low government spending and low taxation are pillars of capitalism, tax borrow and spend is the centre left social democratic model which the greens preach, borrow borrow borrow for votes and let future generations pay it back

these are the primary goals of our current most predominant form of capitalism, so called free market capitalism, its clearly failing, the books were wrong, or more so, those that wrote them were/are wrong.

debt is indeed intrinsic to capitalism, but also to humanity, it always has been, even before capitalism got here!

Banana Republic 1

Arealred wrote: »

Not what I am saying. The Greens shouldn't introduce draconian measures that affect the poor, the vulnerable and rural communities without clear path as to what we are doing. For instance they encouraged diesel cars 10 years ago, people went to expense to change over, now they want electric but in 10 years time when everyone has got electric they realise the damage the batteries are doing to environment and change again.

They also changed the road tax to 200 euro for large diesel engines. Road tax revenue fell and mainly rural road users suffered.

A few years ago they encouraged wood burning stoves they have now changed course. Grand if you are in leafy suburbs to keep up with their change of direction but vast majority can't afford this nonsense. New houses aren't allowed chimneys, this is the kind of stuff from the 1850's.

The Greens and their cronies will be wiped out after next election but we will still end up paying the price.

It’s not the green parties fault every vehicle manufacturer lied to the world about their technology.

This “they” propaganda coming from the long grass and down coal mines is the reason world is shagged.

Beechwoodspark

This is great to see, bravo France and other EU members for scrapping the plans to extend Charles de Gaulle airport and banning short haul flights

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short-haul_flight_ban

Ireland needs to do similar.

We need to get the overall flight traffic down especially between UK and Ireland.

We need to consider closing up the smaller airports altogether where appropriate and instead invest in clean green rail lines.

I get it, for Uk and continental travel Ferries may be slower but better in terms of our climate commitments.

The “aviation fan boys” don’t like to hear this but this is the future until aviation is carbon neutral

Wanderer78

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

This is great to see, bravo France and other EU members for scrapping the plans to extend Charles de Gaulle airport and banning short haul flights

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Short-haul_flight_ban

Ireland needs to do similar. We need to get the flight traffic down especially between UK and Ireland.

I get it, Ferries may be slower but better in terms of our climate commitments.

The “aviation fan boys” don’t like to hear this but this is the future until aviation is carbon neutral

flight is critical to global trade, we need to work on alternatives, and very quickly

Beechwoodspark

Wanderer78 wrote: »

flight is critical to global trade, we need to work on alternatives, and very quickly

It’s not critical whatsoever.

Yes A small category of flights are important and should be prioritised - medical imports/health emergencies etc.

The bargain basement cheap “cheeky flight to Ibiza/costa del kip” category is the one that needs to be thrown into the dustbin first.

Better alternatives are there and are coming on stream. Green railways and green maritime (involving solar energy) for example.

Spotted Hyena

What a load of baloney. As soon as the pandemic hit some people rightly pointed out that stamping down on air travel for environmental reasons would be quickly angled into the mix too.

As with everything else, flights abroad will be the preserve of the wealthy, while the rest of us knuckle down and “do our part” until the science changes once again and a new way to screw the meek tax-paying majority is discovered.

Thelonious Monk

Kivaro wrote: »

I see on the front page of today's Sunday Independent that the Greens want to hike the dole by €50.

So there you have it folks. This is how the Green Party is going to try to recover from their disastrous time in government. This is a cynical and obvious vote-buying move by the Green Party.
What a bunch of cretins. They are a disgrace.

You're all so concerned with the poor not being able to afford things surely you'd champion a large dole hike?

Thelonious Monk

RandomViewer wrote: »

There hasn't been a sheep on most of the mountains in Donegal for over 20years, no sheep dung meant no fertilisation, dead white grass replaced the living plants, so called environmentalists have been responsible for gorse fires as the tried to destroy turf cutting,
Eco-terrorists are the world's next big threat,

Environmentalists are setting the gorse fires? Can you elab on that?

Arealred

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

It’s not the green parties fault every vehicle manufacturer lied to the world about their technology.

This “they” propaganda coming from the long grass and down coal mines is the reason world is shagged.

Well I have seen enough of the Greens to know what the future holds. The Greens have made one mess up after another. Eamon Ryan and all his well paid advisors will be drawing their pensions when we will picking up the pieces. It's only vested interests that want to see them in government. As another poster said alot of Green TDs got in on the coat tails of Sinn Fein candidates. Joe Bloggs in his F rated council house won't make the same mistake the next time.

RandomViewer

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

You're all so concerned with the poor not being able to afford things surely you'd champion a large dole hike?

Large dole hike just makes ordinary work less attractive, some young lad living at home with mammy isn't going to get up for work for €350-60 a week when he can get €260 and HAP, pour that money into apprenticeships for early school leavers and single parents

RandomViewer

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

It’s not critical whatsoever.

Yes A small category of flights are important and should be prioritised - medical imports/health emergencies etc.

The bargain basement cheap “cheeky flight to Ibiza/costa del kip” category is the one that needs to be thrown into the dustbin first.

Better alternatives are there and are coming on stream. Green railways and green maritime (involving solar energy) for example.

Can imagine ferries sitting in the middle of the Irish sea waiting for the clouds to clear, that technology if if applicable in the next few decades will have to have heavy oil/diesel backup, even Greta's super yacht had a diesel engine,

spring lane jack

Kivaro wrote: »

I see on the front page of today's Sunday Independent that the Greens want to hike the dole by €50.

So there you have it folks. This is how the Green Party is going to try to recover from their disastrous time in government. This is a cynical and obvious vote-buying move by the Green Party.
What a bunch of cretins. They are a disgrace.

If they wanted the dole increased by €500 I still wouldn't vote for them. They lied through their teeth over Cannabis legalisation too.

Wanderer78

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

It’s not critical whatsoever.

Yes A small category of flights are important and should be prioritised - medical imports/health emergencies etc.

The bargain basement cheap “cheeky flight to Ibiza/costa del kip” category is the one that needs to be thrown into the dustbin first.

Better alternatives are there and are coming on stream. Green railways and green maritime (involving solar energy) for example.

apologies, i should have truly said critical for the global economy, if we started to ban such flights, you d start to see sectors collapsing, this is what some green folks dont seem to get, they struggle with the bigger picture. its great to see alternatives coming on stream, but the reality is, we potentially could be decades away from them being true alternatives

Thelonious Monk

Wanderer78 wrote: »

apologies, i should have truly said critical for the global economy, if we started to ban such flights, you d start to see sectors collapsing, this is what some green folks dont seem to get, they struggle with the bigger picture. its great to see alternatives coming on stream, but the reality is, we potentially could be decades away from them being true alternatives

What you folks don't seem to get is that the economy in its current format is completely unsustainable and can only lead to ruin. If certain industries collapse because we have to do things differently then so be it.

Eric Cartman

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

It’s not critical whatsoever.

Yes A small category of flights are important and should be prioritised - medical imports/health emergencies etc.

The bargain basement cheap “cheeky flight to Ibiza/costa del kip” category is the one that needs to be thrown into the dustbin first.

Better alternatives are there and are coming on stream. Green railways and green maritime (involving solar energy) for example.

People can get to malaga in 2 hours for 50 quid, making people give that up is going to be very unpopular And frankly unhelpful thing to curtail

Wanderer78

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

What you folks don't seem to get is that the economy in its current format is completely unsustainable and can only lead to ruin. If certain industries collapse because we have to do things differently then so be it.

yes, the way we run our economies right now, will more than likely lead to the collapse of organized human life, if we dont radically change it right now, but we need to also implement safety nets for all those who may be badly affected by these critical changes, we currently still dont know how to do this effectively, but now we must figure it out. collapsing industries without a plan would be catastrophic, it would more than likely set off a chain reaction of events and actions, that would more than likely accelerate these issues, so lets not go full retard just yet

Thelonious Monk

Wanderer78 wrote: »

yes, the way we run our economies right now, will more than likely lead to the collapse of organized human life, if we dont radically change it right now, but we need to also implement safety nets for all those who may be badly affected by these critical changes, we currently still dont know how to do this effectively, but now we must figure it out. collapsing industries without a plan would be catastrophic, it would more than likely set off a chain reaction of events and actions, that would more than likely accelerate these issues, so lets not go full retard just yet

Some bloke who everyone hates and don't take seriously mentioned that flights are too cheap. Absolutely nothing is going to change.

Pussyhands

Increase in fuel, transport, heating, electricity, aviation, housing costs etc.

Thelonious Monk

But it was FG who introduced carbon taxes?? You might want to change your cartoon. Didn't realise the greens were responsible for the housing crisis too.

Wanderer78

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Some bloke who everyone hates and don't take seriously mentioned that flights are too cheap. Absolutely nothing is going to change.

oh major changes are on the way, if we dont manage them correctly, we all could go down

Beechwoodspark

Eric Cartman wrote: »

People can get to malaga in 2 hours for 50 quid, making people give that up is going to be very unpopular And frankly unhelpful thing to curtail

It should be taxed accordingly if people want to go. Green taxes and green levies on the consumer and the carrier and the airport itself

jmcc

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

As should people eating meat be paying for the environmental damage it's production results in, much worse than air travel.

Has the bould Eamon suggested that the poor should be eaten yet? His brainfarts do more damage to the environment than Ireland's national herd.

Regards...jmcc

Lmkrnr

Can't wait to vote those salad heads out.

eggy81

Lmkrnr wrote: »

Can't wait to vote those salad heads out.

We’ll have to put ffg back in emphatically so. No way out of this quagmire of **** with what we’ve got to vote for.

beachhead

Leg End Reject wrote: »

Another chance for all the lefties to call this "An attack on the most vulnerable in society".

OK,leftie

Thelonious Monk

Lmkrnr wrote: »

Can't wait to vote those salad heads out.

Who will you vote in?

beachhead

The greens are the party of taxes and cuckoo land.As for emissions.It was their progeny who decide we didn't need a nuclear power station at Carnsore Point.Now we will pay for the refusal by them of us-the citizens of Ireland access to the resources of our own land.We must pay the multinational combines for our fuel etc to be imported at whatever cost to ours and others environment.A class act.

Thelonious Monk

beachhead wrote: »

The greens are the party of taxes and cuckoo land.As for emissions.It was their progeny who decide we didn't need a nuclear power station at Carnsore Point.Now we will pay for the refusal by them of us-the citizens of Ireland access to the resources of our own land.We must pay the multinational combines for our fuel etc to be imported at whatever cost to ours and others environment.A class act.

The Green Party are the reason we don't have nuclear? I never knew that. I wouldn't have thought Ireland's electricity needs were enough for nuclear, and we can't even build a hospital never mind a nuclear plant.

SeanW

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

It's great to see so many socialists on this thread though who don't want certain luxuries confined to the very rich.

Actually, you don't have to be socialist not to hate poor people.

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

We wont change no, I just hate how people are so ridiculed for daring to suggest we might live in a more modest fashion to maybe make the Earth last a bit longer.

And yet, many of the people demanding that others make huge sacrifices never offer any themselves.

Consider the following map:
https://www.electricitymap.org/map

Note that among the "greenest" i.e. lowest CO2 per kwh countries, France and Sweden, are countries that have very heavy reliance on nuclear power. It should be noted that the French and Swedes started their nuclear programmes long before anthropogenic climate change became a serious concern, or even a concern at all, they started their nuclear programmes for a wide variety of other reasons. Clearly, thus, if we truly believe that "the house is on fire" and climate change is an "emergency" then the first thing we'd want to do is emulate countries like France, Sweden etc. We'd go nuclear. There would be no debate about it.

The problem is that the entire history of civilian nuclear energy has been "environmentalists" lying about it, and falsely claiming that "alternatives" are anything other than an expensive, destructive joke. The Germans bought those Green lies sadly, so they're now decommissioning nuclear plants early, so that they burn more coal and gas, while driving electricity prices ever higher to carpet bomb their country with ugly, bird-chomping, bat killing monstrosities, a.k.a. wind turbines.

The Greens are not willing to make the ideological sacrifice of supporting clean, near zero CO2 energy because … reasons. Yet despite being a key cause of climate change with their incessant lies and propaganda, they turn to the average Joe and say "you're the problem, with your house, modest car, occasional foreign holiday."

Well, I'm not buying it. If you want me to wear birkenstock, eat muesli, live in a yurt (or some crappy apartment) and ride a bicycle everywhere, you'll have to prove that you've stopped being part of the problem. Until then, you'll get my car keys and my occasional plane ticket from my cold, dead fingers.

Thelonious Monk

Sean FG introduced carbon taxes, targeting the average Joe, not the Greens.