Eamon Ryan hoping to stop cheap flights to sunny destinations

tayto lover

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Sean FG introduced carbon taxes, targeting the average Joe, not the Greens.

It was a Green demand iirc.

Wanderer78

tayto lover wrote: »

It was a Green demand iirc.

a global green move

Thelonious Monk

tayto lover wrote: »

It was a Green demand iirc.

There were 2 Green TDs when it was introduced in the 2010 budget.
I find it funny how people try and blame the Greens on everything.
Any time local councils put bike lanes in or pedestrianise areas you have people going nuts blaming the Greens, when it's the councils doing it.

Thelonious Monk

Looks like our Eamon has sway in France too

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/france-bans-short-domestic-flights-on-routes-that-can-be-done-by-train-1.4534312

Eric Cartman

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

There were 2 Green TDs when it was introduced in the 2010 budget.
I find it funny how people try and blame the Greens on everything.
Any time local councils put bike lanes in or pedestrianise areas you have people going nuts blaming the Greens, when it's the councils doing it.

They're also on councils, Ryan made a dumptruck load of money available for cycling infrastructure and councils are using that slush fund to fix pavements / drainage / potholes while building the white elephant cycle paths.

MrMusician18

This thread is hilarious, and really is a case of shoot the messenger. Firstly, the aviation carbon taxation described by Ryan is a European one, not an Irish green one. Secondly, all parties in the Dail have committed to reducing carbon emissions, so voting the greens out is not going to change the direction of travel - carbon intensive industries will undergo heavy taxation until they reduce their emissions.

It would be really unfair to see other essential industries (power generation, agri) have to undertake massive investment for change, while air travel (as the pandemic has highlighted) is largely discretionary gets off free.

Banana Republic 1

Arealred wrote: »

Well I have seen enough of the Greens to know what the future holds. The Greens have made one mess up after another. Eamon Ryan and all his well paid advisors will be drawing their pensions when we will picking up the pieces. It's only vested interests that want to see them in government. As another poster said alot of Green TDs got in on the coat tails of Sinn Fein candidates. Joe Bloggs in his F rated council house won't make the same mistake the next time.

Is doesn’t matter if they got in first place or tenth they were still elected. Politics is cynical and Sinn Fien are masters at it, not matter what colour shirt you wear you’ll not be well served by any of the parties.

MrMusician18

Eric Cartman wrote: »

They're also on councils, Ryan made a dumptruck load of money available for cycling infrastructure and councils are using that slush fund to fix pavements / drainage / potholes while building the white elephant cycle paths.

You'll have evidence to back that up, yes? Because I do not know if a single greenway or dedicated cycle route that's a white elephant. In fact, many of the new walk and cycleways have been a godsend during the pandemic.

Thelonious Monk

MrMusician18 wrote: »

This thread is hilarious, and really is a case of shoot the messenger. Firstly, the aviation carbon taxation described by Ryan is a European one, not an Irish green one. Secondly, all parties in the Dail have committed to reducing carbon emissions, so voting the greens out is not going to change the direction of travel - carbon intensive industries will undergo heavy taxation until they reduce their emissions.

It would be really unfair to see other essential industries (power generation, agri) have to undertake massive investment for change, while air travel (as the pandemic has highlighted) is largely discretionary gets off free.

I actually can't wait till there are no Green TDs just to see who'll get the blame for everything then.

Wanderer78

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I actually can't wait till there are no Green TDs just to see who'll get the blame for everything then.

its obviously gonna be trump

Eric Cartman

MrMusician18 wrote: »

You'll have evidence to back that up, yes? Because I do not know if a single greenway or dedicated cycle route that's a white elephant. In fact, many of the new walk and cycleways have been a godsend during the pandemic.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056152595
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056582201
https://www.boards.ie/mobile/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057512237
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058095344

just 4 examples of many boards using cyclists who refuse to use cycle lanes because of perceived debris, having to slow down or yield to cars, because of design issues or because its not 'real road cycling for serious cyclists'

if we can't force the cyclists to use them and the exact lycra clad entitled brigade have their excuses for not using them then they're a white elephant.

Beechwoodspark

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Looks like our Eamon has sway in France too

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/france-bans-short-domestic-flights-on-routes-that-can-be-done-by-train-1.4534312

Bravo France

Chapeau

We need this in Ireland also - see my post earlier on this

Thelonious Monk

Eric Cartman wrote: »

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056152595
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056582201
https://www.boards.ie/mobile/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057512237
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058095344

just 4 examples of many boards using cyclists who refuse to use cycle lanes because of perceived debris, having to slow down or yield to cars, because of design issues or because its not 'real road cycling for serious cyclists'

if we can't force the cyclists to use them and the exact lycra clad entitled brigade have their excuses for not using them then they're a white elephant.

The good ones are used plenty. I see they announced Capel St and Merrion Row are to be pedestrianised for a trial too, and the works are underway for southside of Liffey cycle route. Hopefully it encourages more people to leave the car at home.

Eric Cartman

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

The good ones are used plenty. I see they announced Capel St and Merrion Row are to be pedestrianised for a trial too, and the works are underway for southside of Liffey cycle route. Hopefully it encourages more people to leave the car at home.

Ok so the good ones, implying there are bad / white elephant ones as I mentioned ? theres also a big difference between used plenty and almost all / all cyclists using them. We either need to legislate cyclists in to using them or do them differently so they want to, there is no point in building a cycle lane to still have a car being held up by some lad pretending its the tour de France.

MrMusician18

Eric Cartman wrote: »

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056152595
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056582201
https://www.boards.ie/mobile/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057512237
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058095344

just 4 examples of many boards using cyclists who refuse to use cycle lanes because of perceived debris, having to slow down or yield to cars, because of design issues or because its not 'real road cycling for serious cyclists'

if we can't force the cyclists to use them and the exact lycra clad entitled brigade have their excuses for not using them then they're a white elephant.

Just because you have a handful of boards users refusing to use cycling infrastructure doesn't mean it's a white elephant. There are more people in the country than those that post here.

A lot of the new expensive walking and cycling infrastructure is dedicated and segregated and is proving very popular with locals particularly at the moment.

Arealred

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

There were 2 Green TDs when it was introduced in the 2010 budget.
I find it funny how people try and blame the Greens on everything.
Any time local councils put bike lanes in or pedestrianise areas you have people going nuts blaming the Greens, when it's the councils doing it.

The reason people blame the Greens is because it is government policy, policy that the Greens argued for in the Programme for Government and got their way. These cycleways are on arterial routes into towns and cities and are dangerous. If you want a cycle route have it off the road. All the Green parties cronies are getting jobs and nice numbers implementing it.

It's cynical that all this is implemented when the country is at a standstill. City ratepayers won't know what hit them when they get back to business.

https://www.nationaltransport.ie/nta-allocates-e240m-to-councils-for-walking-and-cycling-infrastructure/

I could think of alot better things to do with 240 million than line painting cycle lanes. It's an incredible waste of money. This 240 million only relates to the cities. Rural counties got a further 70 million.

I genuinely think if the public knew the full extent of the waste that is going on there would be uproar.

Thelonious Monk

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Ok so the good ones, implying there are bad / white elephant ones as I mentioned ? theres also a big difference between used plenty and almost all / all cyclists using them. We either need to legislate cyclists in to using them or do them differently so they want to, there is no point in building a cycle lane to still have a car being held up by some lad pretending its the tour de France.

There are lines of paint masquerading as cycle lanes which you can a white elephant if you like. The ones that have been designed properly and are segregated, like the new ones in Dun Laoighaire, are used.
Keep dreaming if you think such legislation will ever happen.

RandomViewer

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

There were 2 Green TDs when it was introduced in the 2010 budget.
I find it funny how people try and blame the Greens on everything.
Any time local councils put bike lanes in or pedestrianise areas you have people going nuts blaming the Greens, when it's the councils doing it.

2? Lying about how many vegetables in Cowens basket of blundered?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Members_of_the_30th_Dáil

jimmycrackcorm

Kivaro wrote:

I see on the front page of today's Sunday Independent that the Greens want to hike the dole by €50.

This is the schism that's taking over the GP. People joining in to try to make it a socialist party.

They should stick to their core values otherwise they'll be totally sidestepped.

Pussyhands

If taxes save the planet why don't we just have a voluntary tax where all the treehuggers can pay all their surplus income in tax? Sound good?

Eric Cartman

Pussyhands wrote: »

If taxes save the planet why don't we just have a voluntary tax where all the treehuggers can pay all their surplus income in tax? Sound good?

No, It only works if we bully middle class and wealthy people into paying for it, otherwise lord greta will reject the sacrifice and doom Ireland to eventually return to the ocean in like 300 years , but she'll keep telling everyone its happening in 10 years every 10 years so you have to listen to her drone on so much you'll want it to just end.

SeanW

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Bravo France

Chapeau

We need this in Ireland also - see my tweet earlier on this

Given that any supposed carbon savings from this move are likely to be offset by avoidable increases planned elsewhere, I don't see why this move deserves congratulations.

Recent French policy has been to plan for a reduction in reliance on nuclear energy, with common calls for a maximum of 50%, down from 70-75% today.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_in_France
The end result of that will be (as Germany and Ireland shows) more carbon emissions, all of which would be needless. Of course, if you're going to ramp up carbon output dramatically for no reason, you have to find savings elsewhere to compensate. Assuming the reductions planned go ahead, that will likely be the effect - at best - of the French short haul flight ban. A mere compensatory measure for other bad policies.

lawrencesummers

Another nail in the coffin of the green party’s future government prospects.

Thelonious Monk

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Another nail in the coffin of the green party’s future government prospects.

The EU Council of Transport Ministers are looking at stopping cheap flights, so when Eamon goes you'll have to bank on some kind of Irexit to stop this from happening.

Eric Cartman

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

The EU Council of Transport Ministers are looking at stopping cheap flights, so when Eamon goes you'll have to bank on some kind of Irexit to stop this from happening.

Whats their definition of cheap ? surely like minimum unit pricing this will basically just impact the poor.

Thelonious Monk

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Whats their definition of cheap ? surely like minimum unit pricing this will basically just impact the poor.

You f*cking hate the poor you should be happy!

harrylittle

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

As should people eating meat be paying for the environmental damage it's production results in, much worse than air travel.

how is eating meat worse than air travel for environmental damage ?

Eric Cartman

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

You f*cking hate the poor you should be happy!

No I don't , I despise able bodied people who live off the state or are net detractors from the economy, there are many poor people the world over who work their arse off to provide for themselves and their families with no government assistance for which I highly respect them.

I believe in free markets , minimum unit prices or creating a floor on flight prices is unfair and definitely targets the poor for no good reason.

lawrencesummers

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

The EU Council of Transport Ministers are looking at stopping cheap flights, so when Eamon goes you'll have to bank on some kind of Irexit to stop this from happening.

Sure.

Politicians are extremely inept.

This won’t happen in my lifetime.

RandomViewer

harrylittle wrote: »

how is eating meat worse than air travel for environmental damage ?

I think the anti-meat zealots don't grasp the amount of land required to grow the extra crops to replace livestock,