Eamon Ryan hoping to stop cheap flights to sunny destinations

Thelonious Monk

RandomViewer wrote: »

I think the anti-meat zealots don't grasp the amount of land required to grow the extra crops to replace livestock,

You do realise you have to grow crops for animals too?

Ronaldinho

RandomViewer wrote: »

I think the anti-meat zealots don't grasp the amount of land required to grow the extra crops to replace livestock,

Nah - I expect we'll all be growing our own meat at home eventually. In petri dishes or whatever. The science is already there and the groundwork is being laid to pave the way for it being seen as the 'right' thing / normalize it.

Sure even with plants the future seems to be vertical farming and hydroponics.

I'm not saying for 1 second I like / agree with any of this but there's huge influence and money behind this trend. It's nigh on inevitable on a multi-decade time horizon.

RandomViewer

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

You do realise you have to grow crops for animals too?

Grazing and tillage are different, you can rear sheep where you can't grow crops, whatever is left of the rainforest will be gone to grow soya

RandomViewer

Ronaldinho wrote: »

Nah - I expect we'll all be growing our own meat at home eventually. In petri dishes or whatever. The science is already there and the groundwork is being laid to pave the way for it being seen as the 'right' thing / normalize it.

Sure even with plants the future seems to be vertical farming and hydroponics.

I'm not saying for 1 second I like / agree with any of this but there's huge influence and money behind this trend. It's nigh on inevitable on a multi-decade time horizon.

More dystopia than utopia by the look of it

Thelonious Monk

RandomViewer wrote: »

Grazing and tillage are different, you can rear sheep where you can't grow crops, whatever is left of the rainforest will be gone to grow soya

most soy is grown for animals

Infini

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

The EU Council of Transport Ministers are looking at stopping cheap flights, so when Eamon goes you'll have to bank on some kind of Irexit to stop this from happening.

Only looked at it but I think the actual idea is to remove flights between areas that are less than 2 hours away from one another when alternative mode of transport are available like rail that produce less pollution. It wouldnt affect us as much because in fairness were an island and a ferry link to the continent direct takes the best part of a day. To get to any part of Europe in a few hours requires us to to fly theres no way around this.

Eric Cartman

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

most soy is grown for animals

Its the problem with looking at things in a globalised perspective , whats happening in south american rain forests to support a distorted US beef industry and its CFO (concentrated feeding op) method is bad. But thats not a reason to beat Irelands more sustainable beef industry with a stick

Bass Reeves

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

most soy is grown for animals

Not totally correct the drive to produce bio diesel is one of the main reasons for the jump in production of soya

Fandymo

Tell me how wrote: »

They are the only party listening to the scientists in terms of humankind's impact on our environment.

What's madcap about that?

These are the scientists who have been consistently wrong about global warming, climate change etc??

As Thomas Sowell has said “Would you bet your paycheck on a weather forecast for tomorrow? If not, then why should this country bet billions on global warming predictions that have even less foundation?”

REMINDER
Carbon Tax increases on 1st May.
Order your solid fuel or fill of heating oil now if it is running low.

https://www.moneyguideireland.com/carbon-tax-how-much-will-it-cost-you.html

Thelonious Monk

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Its the problem with looking at things in a globalised perspective , whats happening in south american rain forests to support a distorted US beef industry and its CFO (concentrated feeding op) method is bad. But thats not a reason to beat Irelands more sustainable beef industry with a stick

Ireland imports millions of tonnes of animal feed from South America and around the world every year

Thelonious Monk

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Not totally correct the drive to produce bio diesel is one of the main reasons for the jump in production of soya

That's just something farmers on boards.ie say. The US Dept of Ag, the UN, their websites say it is primarily grown for animals. I'll believe them over farmers with vested interests. This comes up time and time again on boards.

2.5% of German agricultural land is used to produce the bio-fuel component of E10 petrol. Adoption of EVs will reduce that amount of land being used and if that land either goes fallow or displaces imports of foodstuffs that will be good for the environment.

Banana Republic 1

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Its the problem with looking at things in a globalised perspective , whats happening in south american rain forests to support a distorted US beef industry and its CFO (concentrated feeding op) method is bad. But thats not a reason to beat Irelands more sustainable beef industry with a stick

Meal is imported to Ireland too.

Banana Republic 1

Fandymo wrote: »

These are the scientists who have been consistently wrong about global warming, climate change etc??

As Thomas Sowell has said “Would you bet your paycheck on a weather forecast for tomorrow? If not, then why should this country bet billions on global warming predictions that have even less foundation?”

Weather is not climate.

RandomViewer

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

most soy is grown for animals

Can be both as well you know,

blackwhite

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

We should encourage tourists to visit Ireland using solar powered ferries. These are the coming transport solution and will be a green power horse mode of transport in the future. Google them.

Dirty fossil fuel airlines are the past. Have no problem with aviation IF it is carbon neutral

There's no solar technology that produces sufficient power outputs for open-sea ferries, or for vessels large enough to carry freight or any even any meaningful volume of cars.

There currently isn't even viable solutions to have solar to run the electrical needs to a modern sea-going ferry, never mind enough solar output to provide propulsion.

blackwhite

blackwhite wrote: »

There's no solar technology that produces sufficient power outputs for open-sea ferries, or for vessels large enough to carry freight or any even any meaningful volume of cars.

There currently isn't even viable solutions to have solar to run the electrical needs to a modern sea-going ferry, never mind enough solar output to provide propulsion.

...and most of the ferries depart Dublin, Liverpool and Holyhead overnight not because that is just the way it is but because people want to catch a few hours sleep on the trip.

Bass Reeves

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

That's just something farmers on boards.ie say. The US Dept of Ag, the UN, their websites say it is primarily grown for animals. I'll believe them over farmers with vested interests. This comes up time and time again on boards.

Incorrect again. Soyabean is mainly grown for the it produces. The residue levy over is a high protein meal. It's about 48% protein. This is totally unsuitable to feed to cattle as is. It usually makes up about 10-20% of s cattle ration as higher rates cannot be fed. Mostly it is used with maize a low protein carbohydrate rich feed. Pig and chicken ration can use higher volumes as they are omivoires.

The oil is what decided the amount of soya grown the meal residue is used as an animal feedstuff but not the primary reason it is grown.

The demand for it use in bio diesel has driven up its production

ek motor

Voting for the Greens will guarantee more expense in your life.

Thelonious Monk

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Incorrect again. Soyabean is mainly grown for the it produces. The residue levy over is a high protein meal. It's about 48% protein. This is totally unsuitable to feed to cattle as is. It usually makes up about 10-20% of s cattle ration as higher rates cannot be fed. Mostly it is used with maize a low protein carbohydrate rich feed. Pig and chicken ration can use higher volumes as they are omivoires.

The oil is what decided the amount of soya grown the meal residue is used as an animal feedstuff but not the primary reason it is grown.

The demand for it use in bio diesel has driven up its production

Farmers say it's primarily grown for humans. Every other interested organisation on the planet say it's primarily grown for animal feed.

Dyr

Ah yes the Greens, the party who really, really hate the plebs.

Dyr

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

Weather is not climate.

And climate change predictions have a funny habit of turning out to be wrong

https://extinctionclock.org/

Fandymo

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

Weather is not climate.

Thats why I made the point of separating them.

We're meant to be underwater since the 70s. Their predictions for global warming (Ireland would become one of the new, new world wine producers) and climate change (most predictions are absolute nonsense).

A stopped clock is right twice a day, have any of their madcap doomsday predictions become reality??

BanditLuke

ek motor wrote: »

Voting for the Greens will guarantee more expense in your life.

And a less enjoyable one but hey at least we can all learn how to place lettuce boxes on our windowsills.

Bass Reeves

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Farmers say it's primarily grown for humans. Every other interested organisation on the planet say it's primarily grown for animal feed.

It is for the demand for it oil that soya is produced. The demand for it oil in bio diesel has increased it production by 20% in the last ten years. It's the same with Sugar cane and maize used in glyconol production.

Both of these actual drive rainforests deforestation. The land is first cleared by burning. Cattle are then used to clear the regrowth of smaller bushes so as that it can be tilled for soya, sugar cane and maize production. After 10years the land starts returning to a desert and the cycle continues. This is why even though vast area's of rainforests are cleared each year we do not see a rise in the production of these crops.

It interesting as soya, maize and sugarcane are not the most efficient bio fuels. Grain is actually much more efficient. It can be burned directly in many burner types. It could actually replace all other fuels as a feedstuff for boilers. It would work similar to a woodpellet stove. The other reason that grain boiler are not officially allowed is the effect it would have on grain prices. It would double grIn prices. A ton of grain has an equivalent oil value of over 700 litres of heating oil. At present heating oil is 60c/L which would vale a ton of grain at over 420 euro. At 70c/L grain would be 500/ ton. At present farmers recieve sub 200/ ton

And instead of the smell of wood, coal or oil you have the smell of freshly baked bread around the place

Red Silurian

Wanderer78 wrote: »

hydrogen id say, it ll be a while though

For planes, probably... Everything else will go electric though, all it needs is time

Banana Republic 1

blackwhite wrote: »

There's no solar technology that produces sufficient power outputs for open-sea ferries, or for vessels large enough to carry freight or any even any meaningful volume of cars.

There currently isn't even viable solutions to have solar to run the electrical needs to a modern sea-going ferry, never mind enough solar output to provide propulsion.

There is! Use electricity in the production of hydrogen, in fact that’s the end plan for the moneypoint revamp.

Banana Republic 1

RandomViewer wrote: »

I think the anti-meat zealots don't grasp the amount of land required to grow the extra crops to replace livestock,

Stupid comment.

RandomViewer

Banana Republic 1 wrote: »

Stupid comment.

I'll take that as a compliment