Eamon Ryan hoping to stop cheap flights to sunny destinations

Thelonious Monk

eggy81 wrote: »

Why thankfully becoming more urbanised?

Living closer together is easier to share resources and less taxing on the environment. Plus sophisticated urbanites are more likely to vote Green.

gifted

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Well thankfully we are becoming more urbanised and populations are growing in urban areas, so hate green policies all you like but they'll keep coming. We need to change how we consume if the planet has any hope, the only thing people understand is hitting their pocket.

Typical green response....urban interests only.

Thelonious Monk

Jack Carter wrote: »

How will that work on China and India? Will 'hitting their pocket' stop the billion extra Africans being born by 2050?

The Africans wont be doing the damage, it's rich countries like Ireland and their citizens who pollute the most per capita, far more than India and China. We're all EU citizens, nearly 500 million people, we all need to cut our footprints.

whisky_galore

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Plus sophisticated urbanites are more likely to vote Green.

Like the rioters in those cities the last few nights. Must be missing a trick with this sophistication thing.

gifted

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

The Africans wont be doing the damage, it's rich countries like Ireland and their citizens who pollute the most per capita, far more than India and China. We're all EU citizens, nearly 500 million people, we all need to cut our footprints.

Ermmm..we're not rich..we were but then ryan and Gormley came along with FF and gave it all to the banks....remember that?

Thelonious Monk

Lofidelity wrote: »

Maybe it's time for a carbon tax on clothes, at least to raise awareness. Most people don't think about the pollution involved in manufacturing or disposal.

I don't deny aviation or motor vehicles are causing pollution but they seem to get all the attention.

The closure of clothes shops for the last year just goes to show how most are not needed. Most of us probably have enough garments already to last the rest of our lives if we had them repaired etc when required.

eggy81

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Living closer together is easier to share resources and less taxing on the environment. Plus sophisticated urbanites are more likely to vote Green.

Is there not a housing crisis in our biggest urban centre with people actually trying to get out of the city altogether now with the move to working from home. Same reason the pressure is on to get the fibre to the house network more widely rolled out. Hard to keep up with what agenda is en-vogue from one day to the next.

Bass Reeves

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

The Africans wont be doing the damage, it's rich countries like Ireland and their citizens who pollute the most per capita, far more than India and China. We're all EU citizens, nearly 500 million people, we all need to cut our footprints.

Totally incorrect

Thelonious Monk

gifted wrote: »

Ermmm..we're not rich..we were but then ryan and Gormley came along with FF and gave it all to the banks....remember that?

We are very rich if you measure by Gdp and international standards.

And has he mentioned taking on big business which are the biggest polluters? No I didn't think so. Always sting the Joe soap while the biggest polluters are ignored.

frozenfrozen

this is your brain on green party

thinking Ireland will pollute more than Africa

Thelonious Monk

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Totally incorrect

What part?

Banana Republic 1

satguy wrote: »

The latest planes take nearly 200 passengers, and the new engines burn clean. This would be much better than filling up 100 cars and heading to some coast somewhere.

But Eamon wants to stop just the low cost flights, the rich can jet off to anywhere they want, at any time they want.

But you and me, should stay at home.

The burn clean thing is a myth

Bass Reeves

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

What part?

The whole lot of it

tjhook

Green measures are unpopular when implemented because they tend to mean increases in taxation.

How about re-balancing rather than increasing tax? Increase the tax on aviation fuel, but give it back through a reduction in the general 23% rate of VAT. Make it clear one is the result of the other.

That's better than giving the/a government a windfall to hand over to whichever lobby is screaming loudest.

Banana Republic 1

frozenfrozen wrote: »

this is your brain on green party

thinking Ireland will pollute more than Africa

Check out the OECD data

Tell me how

Pussyhands wrote: »

Greens need to go ASAP!

Electricity, fuel going up! They're ruining peoples lives.

They're literally the only ones thinking about the quality of life which will impact everyone.

FG signed Ireland up to the Paris Accord while FF supported them in Government. What meaningful solutions are either of those parties coming up with to meet the obligations contained within that agreement?

The Greens are going to get obliterated in the next GE, they haven't managed the PR around their role or got enough concessions from FF/FG while supporting them in government, but, action is needed on the climate, they are the only ones calling for it.

Thelonious Monk

Bass Reeves wrote: »

The whole lot of it

We don't pollute more than india or china per capita? We're not EU citizens?

Nermal

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

The Africans wont be doing the damage, it's rich countries like Ireland and their citizens who pollute the most per capita, far more than India and China.

They want to be like us.

And why wouldn't they? We live at the peak of civilisation. In material terms, at least.

They won't listen to Eamon, or Greta. Extinction Rebellion won't find many recruits in Beijing or Lagos.

The only thing we accomplish by listening to him is to impoverish ourselves.

whisky_galore

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

The Africans wont be doing the damage, it's rich countries like Ireland and their citizens who pollute the most per capita, far more than India and China. We're all EU citizens, nearly 500 million people, we all need to cut our footprints.

That *might* be true if all those Chinese, Indians and Africans were all content to farm and live from hand to mouth like peasants and not become a middle class and buy all the stuff and cars and fridges etc like they have in the West.

You think an African really wants a lousy goat from Bothar? I'm sure he'd rather a Merc!

tayto lover

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

As should people eating meat be paying for the environmental damage it's production results in, much worse than air travel.

That reminds me I have a big juicy steak in the fridge. Num num.

new92

I'll take the boat so...don the flat cap and have a dance in steerage with some craicheads.

tom1ie

Nermal wrote: »

They want to be like us.

And why wouldn't they? We live at the peak of civilisation. In material terms, at least.

They won't listen to Eamon, or Greta. Extinction Rebellion won't find many recruits in Beijing or Lagos.

The only thing we accomplish by listening to him is to impoverish ourselves.

What?
Surely it’s a good thing to cut down our carbon footprint, generate cleaner electricity, improve our health through cycling walking etc.
Climate change don’t give a damn if your from Ireland or Nepal, it’s gonna ****e on everyone.

Nermal

tjhook wrote: »

Green measures are unpopular when implemented because they tend to mean increases in taxation.

How about re-balancing rather than increasing tax? Increase the tax on aviation fuel, but give it back through a reduction in the general 23% rate of VAT. Make it clear one is the result of the other.

The purpose of green taxation is to literally stop economic activity, not to raise revenue. They don't want a slice of the aviation fuel market - they want there to be no market.

You have been sold an idea of a 'transition' to an economy where we do all of the same things that we do now, and are just as wealthy, but don't generate carbon.

That is an impossible fantasy.

Thelonious Monk

Nermal wrote: »

The purpose of green taxation is to literally stop economic activity, not to raise revenue. They don't want a slice of the aviation fuel market - they want there to be no market.

You have been sold an idea of a 'transition' to an economy where we do all of the same things that we do now, and are just as wealthy, but don't generate carbon.

That is an impossible fantasy.

And the opposite is trashing the planet until everything is gone, or maybe try to find some equilibrium where we might all be able to buy less stuff and have less choices and fly less etc.
You all needn't worry, nothing will change significantly and we'll carry on till lack of resources means war famine etc.
I still admire the Greens for trying to suggest there might be a different way to suicidal economic growth and capitalism.

Thelonious Monk

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

The closure of clothes shops for the last year just goes to show how most are not needed. Most of us probably have enough garments already to last the rest of our lives if we had them repaired etc when required.

Clothes wear out though and need replacing. Kids grow out of clothes too. Just because the clothes shops are closed doesn’t mean people aren’t buying clothes, they are doing it online. Also the second hand clothes shops are closed which is a shame. Sometimes it can cost more to buy clothes online if delivery charges aren’t free. Personally I like to buy in the shop and see what I’m getting, size, fabric, fit etc.

tayto lover

Ryan’s stupid idea will seriously impact tourism into Ireland.
Another silly idea.
Now back the wolves Eamonn.

Banana Republic 1

Jack Carter wrote: »

How will that work on China and India? Will 'hitting their pocket' stop the billion extra Africans being born by 2050?

There is a lack logic surrounding China.

A significant part of china’s emissions come from industry, factories and so on. Why is there loads of factories in China ? To make stuff so sell to the west. We in the west are as much responsible for china’s current emissions as they are.

Beechwoodspark

tayto lover wrote: »

Ryan’s stupid idea will seriously impact tourism into Ireland.
Another silly idea.
Now back the wolves Eamonn.

There are far more important things than tourism

Do you realise this

Thelonious Monk

tayto lover wrote: »

Ryan’s stupid idea will seriously impact tourism into Ireland.
Another silly idea.
Now back the wolves Eamonn.

Unfettered tourism growth is ruining parts of Europe. Look what Airbnb does to housing supply in Dublin and elsewhere. Money isn't everything.