National Hurling League 2021 discussion

Billy Ocean

formerlyET wrote: »

We shall see. But I'd be someone that doesn't place a lot of store on league form. There'll be a few more twists in Waterford's season, I'd bet. I'm not saying they'll win the All-Ireland but I can see them taking a serious scalp or two this year.

I'm not judging them on the league just my point above and De Bruca will be a huge void at 6 particularly.

I see sheep

breezy1985 wrote: »

The forwards are very good when they get going and they could put a good run together

Yeah they have good talent but I can't see them being contenders at the moment.
Even yesterday Tipp can score much easier. They remind me of Waterford in that they've some brilliant hurlers but have to work really hard for scores. And if Horgan was out they're gone.
But for the sake of the Championship I'd be happy if they stepped up a bit and were in the running, and they might prove me wrong.

Speakerboxx

I see sheep wrote: »

Cork? No don't think so.

Cork will cherish being kept under the radar.

breezy1985

Speakerboxx wrote: »

Cork will cherish being kept under the radar.

Do cork people ever do anything under the radar

Grats

breezy1985 wrote: »

Do cork people ever do anything under the radar

Exactly, just look at the cheerleader Cusack wetting himself after their first league match.

Billy Ocean

breezy1985 wrote: »

Do cork people ever do anything under the radar

clearly Limerick people don't either as they compared their team to arguably the best hurling team of all time.

breezy1985

Billy Ocean wrote: »

clearly Limerick people don't either as they compared their team to arguably the best hurling team of all time.

Didn't compare the teams ability or achievements at all. I just compared the over the top reaction to every foul or tactic

breezy1985

Grats wrote: »

Exactly, just look at the cheerleader Cusack wetting himself after their first league match.

I kinda like Donal Og for that. Lives up to the stereotype similar to Spillane over on the football

MfMan

As a Galway man, pleased with the win, they showed a good willingness to roll up the sleeves and get stuck in, it was always going to be more of a battle than a high-scoring shootout anyway. I think Limerick are secure enough in themselves not to be too worried about the defeat and remain the team to beat, there's still another gear in them. And I don't think they're systemically a dirty team, they have a few players that can 'look after themselves' but all sides have those.

What was Waterford/Westmeath game like? Midlanders must have improved hugely from last week.

puzl

Waterford played another experimental side and clearly aren't taking the league too seriously.
I think only 3 started from last week's lineout. Having said that, Westmeath put in an impressive performance and displayed a lot of potential. I'd say they'll go into the JMD cup this year with a lot of experience from 1A.

Mac_Lad71

breezy1985 wrote: »

Do cork people ever do anything under the radar

Be careful how you walk when the jug is full.

threeball

MfMan wrote: »

As a Galway man, pleased with the win, they showed a good willingness to roll up the sleeves and get stuck in, it was always going to be more of a battle than a high-scoring shootout anyway. I think Limerick are secure enough in themselves not to be too worried about the defeat and remain the team to beat, there's still another gear in them. And I don't think they're systemically a dirty team, they have a few players that can 'look after themselves' but all sides have those.

What was Waterford/Westmeath game like? Midlanders must have improved hugely from last week.

Sorry but this waffle about players looking after themselves is just excusing away nasty fouling. Its the kind of crap you'd hear Daly come out with on the Sunday game. Its not manly or brave to be clipping lads when the ball isn't going to be won or its already gone. Hurling is a dangerous game if not played in the right spirit. Accidental collisions happen but its clear a few of these players are deliberately hitting opponents in a cowardly manner. Its certainly not "looking after themselves"

Glenomra

As a Clareman I am disappointed in how we performed today but after watching galway versus limerick I can honestly say that I never saw a team to indulge in so much diving as Galway today. Pity, because they have some lovely hurlers and don't need to resort to it.

Glenomra

Glenomra wrote: »

As a Clareman I am disappointed in how we performed today but after watching galway versus limerick I can honestly say that I never saw a team to indulge in so much diving as Galway today. Pity, because they have some lovely hurlers and don't need to resort to it.

Can't blame them, the rules invite it now.

Problem will be by the time the Championship rolls around every team will be at it.

Will be interesting to see if it's mentioned on the Sunday Game tonight or will we be expected to continue to believe hurlers are too good to do that sort of thing?

breezy1985

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Can't blame them, the rules invite it now.

Problem will be by the time the Championship rolls around every team will be at it.

Will be interesting to see if it's mentioned on the Sunday Game tonight or will we be expected to continue to believe hurlers are too good to do that sort of thing?

There has been a fair amount of ducking into hurleys, grabbing your markers hurley around your waist or charging with the sliotar and falling over. Don't think any team is at it more than any other though

breezy1985

breezy1985 wrote: »

There has been a fair amount of ducking into hurleys, grabbing your markers hurley around your waist or charging with the sliotar and falling over. Don't think any team is at it more than any other though

true, was happening last night in the Tipp/Cork game too. It's inevitable.

4Ad

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

This weekend was some of the most unwatchable stop start ****e I've ever seen in 30 years of watching hurling.

I wouldn't go that far but I am losing interest already.Dragging, pulling, handpassing,free after free.
I know hurling has changed and it's about posession and obviously winning but still it's a hard watch..

Watching Clare isn't helping I must admit..

formerlyET

puzl wrote: »

Waterford played another experimental side and clearly aren't taking the league too seriously.
I think only 3 started from last week's lineout. Having said that, Westmeath put in an impressive performance and displayed a lot of potential. I'd say they'll go into the JMD cup this year with a lot of experience from 1A.

I'd imagine Waterford are targeting the Limerick game. Expect skin and hair in that one. Waterford have a lot to get off their chest in that game before championship.

formerlyET

Deleted User wrote: »

Can't blame them, the rules invite it now.

Problem will be by the time the Championship rolls around every team will be at it.

Will be interesting to see if it's mentioned on the Sunday Game tonight or will we be expected to continue to believe hurlers are too good to do that sort of thing?

How many examples of diving in the game do you have? Specific instances now. Actual evidence.

formerlyET

Deleted User wrote: »

true, was happening last night in the Tipp/Cork game too. It's inevitable.

Examples? Give me the time stamps.

breezy1985

formerlyET wrote: »

I'd imagine Waterford are targeting the Limerick game. Expect skin and hair in that one. Waterford have a lot to get off their chest in that game before championship.

Both sides could do with a strong showing after poor starts to the league

formerlyET

breezy1985 wrote: »

Both sides could do with a strong showing after poor starts to the league

I don't think Limerick have been poor. Quite the opposite.

Waterford have been.


In fairness, the circumstances surrounding the league and leading into it are impossible.

I don't understand how lads can complain about the standard of hurling given how these teams couldn't even meet for so long.

The frees and other stuff, that's another thing.

I'm glad to have any game to watch to be honest.

formerlyET

formerlyET wrote: »

Examples? Give me the time stamps.

You'll just have to watch the highlights (such as they were) tonight and decide for yourself. it was bad enough sitting through it once, I'm not subjecting myself to it again for your benefit. I'd advise you to do anything else with your time though.

zetecescort

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Can't blame them, the rules invite it now.

Problem will be by the time the Championship rolls around every team will be at it.

Will be interesting to see if it's mentioned on the Sunday Game tonight or will we be expected to continue to believe hurlers are too good to do that sort of thing?

John Kiely called Galway on it afterwards

formerlyET

Deleted User wrote: »

You'll just have to watch the highlights (such as they were) tonight and decide for yourself. it was bad enough sitting through it once, I'm not subjecting myself to it again for your benefit. I'd advise you to do anything else with your time though.

Could it be general one-eyed waffle that can't be backed up? Or is it true?
I guess I'll just have to tune into a highlights show that only shows scores and controversial moments. Sigh.

PeggyShippen

formerlyET wrote: »

Could it be general one-eyed waffle that can't be backed up? Or is it true?
I guess I'll just have to tune into a highlights show that only shows scores and controversial moments. Sigh.

Very bad foul on Hegarty was ignored ET. I think the reffing will settle down because the public won't watch it if it keeps continuing. There's hockey matches with more contact the last 2 days. Hurlings players have gotten big and strong and the rules aren't suitable anymore. We need more body contact...lots more shoulders. And yellows for diving and ducking into hurlers and arms. And the ball needs to travel less distance. Its a joke...

Grats

zetecescort wrote: »

John Kiely called Galway on it afterwards

Well if he did he does have some neck. As I posted earlier, Hayes, Flanagan and Hegarty could have walked.

formerlyET

zetecescort wrote: »

John Kiely called Galway on it afterwards

Kiely called Galway out for diving? Wow. Serious? Any links?

zetecescort

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/0516/1221980-not-part-of-the-game-kiely-blasts-galway-simulation/

formerlyET

formerlyET wrote: »

Could it be general one-eyed waffle that can't be backed up? Or is it true?
I guess I'll just have to tune into a highlights show that only shows scores and controversial moments. Sigh.

I'm sure I am biased but if you're happy with the current situation watch away.

Comerman

formerlyET wrote: »

Kiely called Galway out for diving? Wow. Serious? Any links?

https://www.the42.ie/john-kiely-2-5439166-May2021/?utm_source=shortlink

formerlyET

zetecescort wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/0516/1221980-not-part-of-the-game-kiely-blasts-galway-simulation/

Jesus. He lost it. Pressure showing.


He's after handing Galway some ammunition there for later in the year.

To accuse a team of being dirty or whatever is one thing.

But to question Galway's integrity and call them divers after being beaten... wow.

Plus, it's very hard to take from Kiely. Given how he sets up his team to persistently foul and relegate the game to a long free contest. Man is out of his mind. Kinnerk and Kiely have created this game of bad faith hurling - football hurling and now he is pointing fingers at other teams!!!! Unbelievable.

PeggyShippen

Grats wrote: »

Well if he did he does have some neck. As I posted earlier, Hayes, Flanagan and Hegarty could have walked.

You're looking for a non touch sport. Aggressive play is part of contact sport. A free is plenty of sanction for 99% of transgressions

formerlyET

Kiely's probably been reading too many Alex Ferguson biographies - he is trying to create an us versus the world scenario.

Or mabe all the lockdowns got to him, like us all.

Grats

PeggyShippen wrote: »

You're looking for a non touch sport. Aggressive play is part of contact sport. A free is plenty of sanction for 99% of transgressions

I'm genuinely not. The fouling is gone out of hand and those hits by the three players mentioned were out of order. They show little regard for fellow players. Controlled aggression is acceptable but reckless aggression isn't. Frees for regular fouling is fine but the line has to be drawn for reckless behaviour. The players know that but some are intent on throwing their massive frames around to intimidate opponents. The ref is there to protect the players.

ClanofLams

Kiely has fair neck. Don't recall him saying much when Diarmuid Byrnes jumped on the ground to get David Reidy sent off in 2018.

roverjoyce

formerlyET wrote: »

Kiely's probably been reading too many Alex Ferguson biographies - he is trying to create an us versus the world scenario.

Or mabe all the lockdowns got to him, like us all.

The Jose trick as well, blame everyone else except the players

PeggyShippen

Kiely is always refreshingly honest. The diving and screaming for frees is the worst thing in hurling..Galway must have flopped down 5 to 10 times today. Galway played the better hurling today and deserved their win but Kiely had to be honest.

Here's a link to the full 6 minute interview from Kiely. He fully accepts Limerick weren't good enough. Sounds pretty calm all told.

https://twitter.com/SportingLK/status/1393978532464775169?s=20

PeggyShippen

Grats wrote: »

I'm genuinely not. The fouling is gone out of hand and those hits by the three players mentioned were out of order. They show little regard for fellow players. Controlled aggression is acceptable but reckless aggression isn't. Frees for regular fouling is fine but the line has to be drawn for reckless behaviour. The players know that but some are intent on throwing their massive frames around to intimidate opponents. The ref is there to protect the players.

The ref is there to uphold the rules, not protect small guys from getting dominated by bigger men. Its a physical contest. You can't go around throwing yourself down to avoid the contest.....well actually you can but it ain't right

formerlyET

PeggyShippen wrote: »

Kiely is always refreshingly honest. The diving and screaming for frees is the worst thing in hurling..Galway must have flopped down 5 to 10 times today. Galway played the better hurling today and deserved their win but Kiely had to be honest.

Listen, Kiely realises the focus is on his team now and how they play the game and their tricks (persistent fouling on opposing half backs - pulling and dragging down forwards - leaving hurls in late), so he is trying to stir up controversy. But this will only heighten the focus on him and his team.

threeball

zetecescort wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2021/0516/1221980-not-part-of-the-game-kiely-blasts-galway-simulation/

What a sore loser. His team have been laying timber left right and centre and when he gets beaten he comes out and blames the opposition for diving without an ounce of evidence. Galway didn't go bitching about hegarty last year when it was clear as day he should have walked. This team couldn't go much further down in my estimation. Absolutely pathetic

breezy1985

ClanofLams wrote: »

Kiely has fair neck. Don't recall him saying much when Diarmuid Byrnes jumped on the ground to get David Reidy sent off in 2018.

You clearly don't watch any sport if you think any manager is gonna point out when his team foul

One_More_Mile

PeggyShippen wrote: »

The ref is there to uphold the rules, not protect small guys from getting dominated by bigger men. Its a physical contest. You can't go around throwing yourself down to avoid the contest.....well actually you can but it ain't right

This

BENDYBINN

Kiely belittled himself big time today.....sore loser.

Grats

Grats wrote: »

I'm genuinely not. The fouling is gone out of hand and those hits by the three players mentioned were out of order. They show little regard for fellow players. Controlled aggression is acceptable but reckless aggression isn't. Frees for regular fouling is fine but the line has to be drawn for reckless behaviour. The players know that but some are intent on throwing their massive frames around to intimidate opponents. The ref is there to protect the players.

Ah would you stop. Those poor little lambs frightened of (and by) the guys who go to the gym.

formerlyET

Kiely actually used the word embarrassing, who does he think he is to say that about players.

He also uses the term all-time low, and the current game is partly his creation.

Newsflash, John, when you devise a gameplan that is designed to disrupt the flow of the game and find a way of fouling teams to stop them from playing, teams react to it and try to out do that. That's how sport and tactics work. The new rules are there to stop constant fouling.

I've never seen Tipp play they way they're currently playing. But that's the way it was going once Limerick won playing that way.

Stop stupid fouling = less frees.

Simple, Johnny Boy.

PeggyShippen

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Here's a link to the full 6 minute interview from Kiely. He fully accepts Limerick weren't good enough. Sounds pretty calm all told.

https://twitter.com/SportingLK/status/1393978532464775169?s=20

Great interview. I think he speaks for many. It has to be said. The reffing is part of the problem..

Grats

PeggyShippen wrote: »

The ref is there to uphold the rules, not protect small guys from getting dominated by bigger men. Its a physical contest. You can't go around throwing yourself down to avoid the contest.....well actually you can but it ain't right

He's there to uphold the rules which are drawn up in part to protect players, big and small. Otherwise we'd have a free for all. Limerick push out the boundaries in every match. Some days they get away with it but those days will continue to shrink as officials focus on their tactics. Focus comes with success.

formerlyET

In fairness, to talk about Galway players like that is not on.