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Strazdas

Corholio wrote: »

If only for this month it's just a temporary blow (hopefully)

https://twitter.com/Jennifer_Bray/status/1387012823637762051?s=19

This is one reason reason it has been suggested that over 50s receiving one vaccine only may not necessarily be a good idea : it would mean any disruption to that supply sparking off immediate chaos for that cohort.

Chris_5339762

seamus wrote: »

I can see the Gript article now. "Dublin doctor confirms that pubs and foreign travel will open in June, but only if you have a vaccine cert".

DublinLive
"Hellish U-Turn as Dublin doctor confirms vaccine certs REQUIRED for pubs and travel in dramatic news for Ireland"

GLaDOS

Corholio wrote: »

If only for this month it's just a temporary blow (hopefully)

https://twitter.com/Jennifer_Bray/status/1387012823637762051?s=19

"The rest of April" , also known as 3 days.

Corholio

GLaDOS wrote: »

"The rest of April" , also known as 3 days.

Which...is what I said?

Article states unsure about next month too.

Knex*

Corholio wrote: »

If only for this month it's just a temporary blow (hopefully)

https://twitter.com/Jennifer_Bray/status/1387012823637762051?s=19

Rest of April. So, four days max?

Actual impact is that we drop from 26k to 12k. Hardly anything major, especially as next month we're due 132k.

People are sensationalising everything they can these days.

Eod100

Is there any word on whether the gap between 1st and 2nd does will be extended? Or is there no need for that with NIACs recommendations?

GLaDOS

Corholio wrote: »

Which...is what I said?

Article states unsure about next month too.

Not having a go at you, just a sensationalist headline.

stephenjmcd

Eod100 wrote: »

Is there any word on whether the gap between 1st and 2nd does will be extended? Or is there no need for that with NIACs recommendations?

Doesn't look like there will be
https://twitter.com/JackHoJo/status/1387017054574809089?s=20

snotboogie

Wolf359f wrote: »

Realistically we need to be up close to 1 per day sustained, to come close to the June target. Lots of second jabs needed in the coming weeks and months (apart from the 60-69, their second dose will come from July onwards and obviously any J&J jabs)

Yep, we lost huge ground in April. Crude calculations from me are that we get to 80 shots per 100 around the middle of July. That's with a 0.6 average in May and and 0.8 average in June. Obviously that's not 80% of the adult population with a vaccine. I assume that would be at around 100 per 100.

If we were to start 1 per 100 per day tomorrow we'd get to 100 in the 10th of July. To get to 100 by the end of June we would need to average 1.1 per 100 per day starting tomorrow.

funnydoggy

No extension is a cúnt

A six week interval is within the manufacturer guidelines and it would have helped speed things up a bit. Not sure why they haven't gone for that at the very least.

FrankN1

Is the gap between Pfizer doses still 4 weeks or being extended?

GLaDOS

Can understand keeping it at 4 weeks for vulnerable cohorts. But for, say, healthy under 60s an extension would have been good.

Strazdas

FrankN1 wrote: »

Is the gap between Pfizer doses still 4 weeks or being extended?

I'm seeing speculation on Twitter that there is no change to this.

Eod100

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Doesn't look like there will be
https://twitter.com/JackHoJo/status/1387017054574809089?s=20

Ah nice one!

Russman

josip wrote: »

It would be interesting if everyone posting included their age range.
I think that would go a long way to explain why they are happy or annoyed with the latest rollout plan.

I'm in the 40-49 cohort and I'm honestly neither happy nor sad about the plan. A national roll out of 4 vaccines with different characteristics can't be easy to plan and I don't envy the HSE. You're never going to please everyone. My mother had her first AZ shot last week and my dad got his appointment this morning for his second Pfizer one in two weeks, they were my main concerns re COVID tbh.

I'd take any of the vaccines tomorrow if I could, obviously I'd prefer an mRNA one if there was a choice (which there isn't), but I've largely taken the view that what will be will be, let the medical experts make their decisions and I'll get called when I get called.

Strazdas

Russman wrote: »

I'm in the 40-49 cohort and I'm honestly neither happy nor sad about the plan. A national roll out of 4 vaccines with different characteristics can't be easy to plan and I don't envy the HSE. You're never going to please everyone. My mother had her first AZ shot last week and my dad got his appointment this morning for his second Pfizer one in two weeks, they were my main concerns re COVID tbh.

I'd take any of the vaccines tomorrow if I could, obviously I'd prefer an mRNA one if there was a choice (which there isn't), but I've largely taken the view that what will be will be, let the medical experts make their decisions and I'll get called when I get called.

That's my view as well. Trying to do it 'tactically' would be crazy and you could end up waiting many months for a vaccine (and even then they mightn't offer you the one you want). Whenever they contact you, go for the vaccine.

FrankN1

Strazdas wrote: »

I'm seeing speculation on Twitter that there is no change to this.

Do we know when it may be confirmed?

Strazdas

FrankN1 wrote: »

Do we know when it may be confirmed?

Probably tonight I would think when the official J & J and AZ statements are announced.

Corholio

No spacing out. Not sure what to make of it.

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1387025807688744960?s=19

JPA

Knex* wrote: »

People are sensationalising everything they can these days.

People? More like journalists.

pc7

Corholio wrote: »

No spacing out. Not sure what to make of it.

Wonder is it logistics and whatever formula HSE is using for the rollout? Remember at the start they were using a spreadsheet for cases that collapsed!

funnydoggy

Corholio wrote: »

No spacing out. Not sure what to make of it.

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1387025807688744960?s=19

This abundance of caution bullshít needs to end.


Who was it said to not let perfect be the enemy of good?

Corholio

Leo talking about possibly opening things up sooner a week ago and now things look even slower than originally thought with the no spacing of vaccines. It'll be interesting to see how they explain it terms of speeding things up.

PhilOssophy

GLaDOS wrote: »

Can understand keeping it at 4 weeks for vulnerable cohorts. But for, say, healthy under 60s an extension would have been good.

funnydoggy wrote: »

This abundance of caution bullshít needs to end.


Who was it said to not let perfect be the enemy of good?

Abundance of caution is fine, once it is weighed up against the risk of getting covid, rather than comparing apples and oranges re vaccines as is currently happening.

Valhallapt

Corholio wrote: »

No spacing out. Not sure what to make of it.

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1387025807688744960?s=19

We need more transparency on how they arrive at these decisions. I feel like it’s the wrong decision, but I’m sure they have better data than me.... so why did they decide not to extend, the only way to a normalish summer is for Pfizer to deliver way above current targets.

My gut tells me NIAC are deliberately sabotaging peoples hopes of foreign summer holidays. Tho I’m a cynic, so probably wrong.

FrankN1

Corholio wrote: »

No spacing out. Not sure what to make of it.

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1387025807688744960?s=19

Great news

robinph

Corholio wrote: »

No spacing out. Not sure what to make of it.

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1387025807688744960?s=19

Seems a bit silly if you are still working through extremely vulnerable people getting any vaccination, and supplies are still relatively limited. Getting twice as many people with one dose is significantly better way of making use of the supplies than getting two jabs into people at 4 weeks apart for the sake of a 5% or so difference in effectiveness.

funnydoggy

FrankN1 wrote: »

Great news

Why do you feel so? Not arguing, genuinely curious

Valhallapt

Valhallapt wrote: »

We need more transparency on how they arrive at these decisions. I feel like it’s the wrong decision, but I’m sure they have better data than me.... so why did they decide not to extend, the only way to a normalish summer is for Pfizer to deliver way above current targets.

My gut tells me NIAC are deliberately sabotaging peoples hopes of foreign summer holidays. Tho I’m a cynic, so probably wrong.

Indeed, explain these decisions more clearly to appease people’s frustrations.

Spacing to six weeks seems so obvious considering the protection given from the first dose. It’s so hard not to get annoyed when we see what other countries are doing, it’s literally the biggest thing that has happened in most of our lifetimes, this “abundance of caution” needs to stop.