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Goldengirl

Charles Babbage wrote: »

I have amended my post,but even at 60000 a week it would take 6 weeks to do the 60 year olds, assuming that 360,000 of the approximate 420,000 are done in this way. Perhaps there are more of them who are being done by doctors as cohorts 4 and 7.

Group 4 being done by hospitals if treating those patients , or by GPs .
Also group 7 going along concurrently.
Not just vaccinations in MVCs which are doing 60 to69 year olds .

This is what will happen with the younger age groups too , I would think .
J& J will be happily taken by a lot of people in the 50 to 59 group now who will be getting to socialise and meet indoors , travel much faster than otherwise .
The 40 to 49s will be concurrently vaxxed with mRNA .
Won't be much J& J left over after the 50 + and older vulnerable populations done .

It is looking good.

ShineOn7

Leo Varadkar has been administering vaccines at a Dublin mass vaccination centre

https://www.thejournal.ie/leo-vaccine-centre-covid-5422937-Apr2021/


And fair fecks to him

A lot of it for PR? Sure. He's a master at it

But some of it because he's 10 times the leader Martin is? Definitely

Goldengirl

ShineOn7 wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/leo-vaccine-centre-covid-5422937-Apr2021/


And fair fecks to him

A lot of it for PR? Sure. He's a master at it

But some of it because he's 10 times the leader Martin is? Definitely

Haha, mainly PR , in every sense of it , and other hcws would know what I mean by that
Imagine trying to get on with your work and keep an eye on that loolaa too !

Skygord

When we are talking about supplies in June, don't forget we should be expecting Curevac approved in mid-late May, and deliveries soon after.

Strazdas

Skygord wrote: »

When we are talking about supplies in June, don't forget we should be expecting Curevac approved in mid-late May, and deliveries soon after.

If that came through, it would change the whole dynamic of the vaccine rollout yet again (and it's an mRNA too).

Charles Babbage

Skygord wrote: »

When we are talking about supplies in June, don't forget we should be expecting Curevac approved in mid-late May, and deliveries soon after.

Curevac will speed things up, but can be given to everyone so doesn't require any particular pattern of allocation. Let's hope it is available in useful quantities to know a couple of weeks off the process.

Strazdas

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Curevac will speed things up, but can be given to everyone so doesn't require any particular pattern of allocation. Let's hope it is available in useful quantities to know a couple of weeks off the process.

Could Curevac be given as a second 'Pfizer' dose? That would really speed up full vaccinations during the summer.

Danzy

ShineOn7 wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/leo-vaccine-centre-covid-5422937-Apr2021/


And fair fecks to him

A lot of it for PR? Sure. He's a master at it

But some of it because he's 10 times the leader Martin is? Definitely

He really stepped up in the early days but he too often reverts to a childish approach.

He is 20 times the leader Martin is.

Qrt

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Curevac will speed things up, but can be given to everyone

...for now :pac:

RavenBea17b

This is such good news.

https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56904993

PhilOssophy

Strazdas wrote: »

Perhaps the HSE secretly think that J & J may well come back into play for the under 50s in June. A lot of the talk that we will be left with hundreds of thousands of unusable J & J doses in June is mere media / Twitter speculation and is not coming from the people actually running the programme.

I hope that is the case.

snotboogie wrote: »

The issue is the government going against NIAC advise, not vaccine hesitancy for J&J and AZ. If they plough on, as is suggested, they will either have to ignore NIAC advice, which I don't see happening, or face vaccine shortages when we get to the under 50's rollout.

Unless the govt know something we don't, this is an extremely short sighted decision that will leave us snookered come June.

Yeah I think the over 50s are probably more hesitant than the younger age groups will be. But then, NIAC will have to come back in a month and say "yeah remember that over 50s advice, ignore that now it is grand for everyone" - which is exactly what they should have been advising this week in the first place.

Most of us work in organisations where if we gave the answer NIAC gave for a yes/no decision, we'd be asked "is the fng thing safe for under 50s or not, and if not, what data are you basing this on"? The govt were never going to overrule NIAC, but NPHET really should have challenged them on it.

Danzy

Danzy wrote: »

He really stepped up in the early days but he too often reverts to a childish approach.

He is 20 times the leader Martin is.

Great praise indeed, but 20 x 0 = ?

correct horse battery staple

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

Re Putin vaccine

Brazil now also saying (like Slovakia) what they received does not match what was published in studies for Sputnik-V

https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2021/04/28/brazil-rejects-the-gamaleya-vaccine

Replication competent adenovirus within the Russian vaccine? That's pretty serious.

"The vaccine is clean ... and it does not contain replication-competent adenoviruses," Logunov told reporters.

Logunov said the shot went through a four-stage cleaning and filtration process, which he said was rare among vaccine makers.

"This makes our production much more expensive because we lose a part of our product. But we achieve an incredible level of purity," he said.]

JTMan

More Moderna production ...

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1387655907295780866

odyssey06

Deleted User wrote: »

Replication competent adenovirus within the Russian vaccine? That's pretty serious.

Logunov said the shot went through a four-stage cleaning and filtration process, which he said was rare among vaccine makers.
"This makes our production much more expensive because we lose a part of our product. But we achieve an incredible level of purity," he said.

Purity of a vaccine? Say what now?
Sounds like they are making vodka not a vaccine!

odyssey06

odyssey06 wrote: »

Purity of a vaccine? Say what now?
Sounds like they are making vodka not a vaccine!

These type of statements have the worrying sound of a political commissar placed within an organisation to ensure the official line is followed, rather that those of a scientist

is_that_so

JTMan wrote: »

More Moderna production ...

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1387655907295780866

Good news but only after they fulfil their US contracts! Moderna is really a Q3+ vaccine for the rest of the world.

JP100

Goldengirl wrote: »

Haha, mainly PR , in every sense of it , and other hcws would know what I mean by that
Imagine trying to get on with your work and keep an eye on that loolaa too !

It never ceases to amaze the amount of people who claim to possess other people's minds and tell us what they're thinking! At the end of day, he's doing a helpful and good thing, so fair play to him and less of the begrudgery please.

titan18

Goldengirl wrote: »

Haha, mainly PR , in every sense of it , and other hcws would know what I mean by that
Imagine trying to get on with your work and keep an eye on that loolaa too !

Tbf to him, he hasn't really publicized it or talked about, so if it was for PR only, he's doing a terrible job of that.

is_that_so

is_that_so wrote: »

Good news but only after they fulfil their US contracts! Moderna is really a Q3+ vaccine for the rest of the world.

No it will happen earlier, is has already passed peak vaccine injections, dropping from 4m a day to 3m a day and still dropping so there is an excess of 3m a day being manufactured in the u s ,

Russman

PhilOssophy wrote: »

I hope that is the case.



Yeah I think the over 50s are probably more hesitant than the younger age groups will be. But then, NIAC will have to come back in a month and say "yeah remember that over 50s advice, ignore that now it is grand for everyone" - which is exactly what they should have been advising this week in the first place.

Most of us work in organisations where if we gave the answer NIAC gave for a yes/no decision, we'd be asked "is the fng thing safe for under 50s or not, and if not, what data are you basing this on"? The govt were never going to overrule NIAC, but NPHET really should have challenged them on it.

Yeah, but its not a black or white "is it safe or not ?" question. They said the same thing about the AZ, that if we were in a different situation (re cases, deaths, hospitalisations etc), the restriction would be different or non existent. You'd have to assume its similar with J&J, that we're having this age restriction because we're in a position as a country to be able to be extra cautious. From a certain point of view, its a good thing that we are able to be so cautious.
If NIAC change their advice, it won't be because its suddenly safe and previously wasn't, it would be because they've new information and/or our circumstances mean that our level of risk acceptance has changed (granted, from tiny to, eh.....still tiny)

Hmmzis

RavenBea17b wrote: »

This is such good news.

https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56904993

That is nothing short of spectacular news. Even after a breakthrough infection you're much less likely to transmit. This looks like a vaccinated individual with a breakthrough infection is highly unlikely to pass it on to another vaccinated individual (or convalescent).

is_that_so

Jazlynn Wailing Signal wrote: »

No it will happen earlier, is has already passed peak vaccine injections, dropping from 4m a day to 3m a day and still dropping so there is an excess of 3m a day being manufactured in the u s ,

Q3 is July and that's where their numbers ramp up for us but it would be a welcome surprise if they did earlier.

plodder

hmmm wrote: »

Derek Lowe is not happy. How often has the word "bull****" appeared in Science magazine?
https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2021/04/28/russian-vaccine-behavior

Haven't heard talk like that since the 1980s. It's like the cold war all over again.

funnydoggy

plodder wrote: »

Haven't heard talk like that since the 1980s. It's like the cold war all over again.

And Sylvester Stallone is releasing a director's cut of Rocky 4! The stars have aligned!

TheDoctor

Jazlynn Wailing Signal wrote: »

No it will happen earlier, is has already passed peak vaccine injections, dropping from 4m a day to 3m a day and still dropping so there is an excess of 3m a day being manufactured in the u s ,

US vaccinations peaked around mid April. Rose consistently from December.

Daily numbers have been on the decline since.

Back to late March numbers now.

Should free up Moderna and others for other places.

pc7

God I don't want to get my hopes up as did that last year when the vaccines were first produced, but it finally and really feels like that is a light at the end of the tunnel (and not a train!) coming.

Russman

pc7 wrote: »

God I don't want to get my hopes up as did that last year when the vaccines were first produced, but it finally and really feels like that is a light at the end of the tunnel (and not a train!) coming.

I feel the same but I'm afraid to jinx it by letting myself think that way !!:D:D

Zipppy

Just onto my GP, they're still vaxxing over 70s. (large city clinic)
That means they haven't even started over 60s yet .. seems mad?
But have me on their priority list (Cat4) and will get a shout soon(ish)

Wolf359f

TheDoctor wrote: »

US vaccinations peaked around mid April. Rose consistently from December.

Daily numbers have been on the decline since.

Back to late March numbers now.

Should free up Moderna and others for other places.

Depends if the US will allow producers in the US to use US production to fulfill orders worldwide, equal share for all (speed up all orders) Or will they keep supplying the US and the US will 'loan' vaccines to who ever they wish.