Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

WoollyRedHat · 13-04-2021 2:11pm

The decisions made yesterday about AZ and today in relation to J & J are all subject to review, there are far too many Chicken Littles in this thread declaring the sky is falling, some deliberately so.

I would be very surprised if restrictions.on AZ to age groups over 60 is still in place in a months time, they are buying time to scrutinize data.

Turtwig · 13-04-2021 2:11pm

funnydoggy wrote: »

That vaccine transmission being part of modeling now is absolutely fantastic.

Has been since late Feb.

RavenBea17b · 13-04-2021 2:14pm

brickster69 wrote: »

Novavax contracts delayed.

http://www.pharmafile.com/news/573952/novavax-delays-100-million-vaccines-eu

That delay in contract was being discussed back in mid March.

funnydoggy · 13-04-2021 2:16pm

Turtwig wrote: »

Has been since late Feb.

Ah, I didn't know. Still though it's good to see!

Sanjuro · 13-04-2021 2:16pm

brendanwalsh wrote: »

Send the bag of dung AZ vaccines to the deepest darkest pits of Africa as part of COVAX, and give Pfizer whatever they want for the good stuff.

RavenBea17b · 13-04-2021 2:17pm

dominatinMC wrote: »

And no surprise to see the media here jumping all over the J&J story. Will they be as eager and quick to report when it's being used again I wonder

Media was all over AZ when EMA and individual countries when regulation differing applied for age groups.

eoinbn · 13-04-2021 2:19pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Fair play to those of you giving reasonable arguments and having the patience to do so, you’re all better people than I am.

Those who believe that AZ is poison and that J&J is finished before it’s even started will never change their views sadly.

This was a really interesting thread, gone to the dogs the last few days though.

I much preferred reading all the good news as well but there has been no denying that the last week has been terrible.
A few weeks ago there was 5 known cases of clotting in the UK linked to AZ. All of a sudden it turned into 80.
The 6 out of 7m will likely increase as well.
I am just giving my opinion on the facts that we have at hand. The UK has already suggested that it will not use AZ on under 30s. Ireland has been far more cautious and I can see that continuing when it comes to J&J.

RavenBea17b · 13-04-2021 2:20pm

dominatinMC wrote: »

Is this a genuine issue with Pfizer? Haven't seen any reports

Sure I saw some comments about this on UK Yellow Cards.
Can someone add a link to Irish equivalent to UK yellow cards system. I know that there is an overall EU equivalent, but don't think it breaks it down by country gender age group etc.

ixoy · 13-04-2021 2:21pm

I'd be curious now if the people who are looking to the UK and going, "Why are we so far behind - joke shop Ireland" are also going, "I don't want AZ! Terrible vaccine!" I wouldn't be surprised if there's an overlap in those groups.

Hurrache · 13-04-2021 2:25pm

dominatinMC wrote: »

Of course they are going to report but it's the veracity of the reporting I have an issue with. As I said, will they be as eager to report if the vaccines are given the all clear? Doubt it, and that won't be a "shocker"

Of course they will.

keno-daytrader · 13-04-2021 2:26pm

*J&J: TO PROACTIVELY DELAY ROLLOUT OF VACCINE IN EUROPE

Necro · 13-04-2021 2:31pm

brendanwalsh threadbanned permanently as well as forum banned for obvious reasons

ACitizenErased · 13-04-2021 2:32pm

J&J delaying to allow review
https://twitter.com/mariatad/status/1381962180199780356?s=20

funnydoggy · 13-04-2021 2:34pm

ACitizenErased wrote: »

J&J delaying to allow review
https://twitter.com/mariatad/status/1381962180199780356?s=20

I'm telling myself that these are good things, which they are.

Hospital metrics are going down rapidly too.

There is light there. Last summer was nice. We have vaccines this time too.

Sanjuro · 13-04-2021 2:40pm

funnydoggy wrote: »

I'm telling myself that these are good things, which they are.

Hospital metrics are going down rapidly too.

There is light there. Last summer was nice. We have vaccines this time too.

Chin up. It's tough. But we're in a far better place now than we were a week, a month, six months ago. We'll get there.

titan18 · 13-04-2021 2:41pm

ACitizenErased wrote: »

J&J delaying to allow review
https://twitter.com/mariatad/status/1381962180199780356?s=20

I'd kind of prefer they sent as normal and let the country choose. Better to have them in stock and ready to go if it's paused rather than sitting in their factory.

TheChosenOne_ · 13-04-2021 2:43pm

Hi all I just have a question relating to vaccine.

I received a text message this morning from a mobile number saying that I have been put forward for a vaccination at Conolly Hospital and will be contacted about appointment in coming weeks.

I'm just wondering if this is one of those scam/fake messages? Just seemed a bit odd

Furze99 · 13-04-2021 2:46pm

We're a first world country with first world expectations. If there is a choice of vaccines on the market and questions marks over some, clearly we should avoid those latter. That's a reasonable position to hold. Of course, supply comes into it but there's a price on everything.

13-04-2021 2:50pm

titan18 wrote: »

I'd kind of prefer they sent as normal and let the country choose. Better to have them in stock and ready to go if it's paused rather than sitting in their factory.

"Ladies and Gentleman of the Jury, while under review in the US, the defendant knowingly released the product in a new market"

I would imagine its down to potential litigation.

13-04-2021 2:52pm

I do have this nagging doubt that the regulatory bodies are reacting to get ahead of the anti-vaxxers who will leap on any individual case rather than purely on the data. I hope its not the case

Klonker · 13-04-2021 2:52pm

brendanwalsh wrote: »

Every man and woman deserves a MRNA vaccine.

Send the bag of dung AZ vaccines to the deepest darkest pits of Africa as part of COVAX, and give Pfizer whatever they want for the good stuff.

I know this post is shocking but the poster is making a good point though I don't think it's the point he was trying to make.

If NIAC say AstraZeneca is a good vaccine, which they are saying, but we only think it's worth the risk in the 60-70 when we have other safer vaccines then what do they propose we do with the leftover AZ vaccines? What if all Europe do the same? Are we going to just waste all the leftover vaccines or will send them to poorer countries in Africa? Is it the case that the 1 in 200,000 risk of serious bloodclot is not an acceptable risk here in Europe but it is for Africa where the risk of coronavirus seems to be less? There is an ethical question here that I'm sure NIAC or other countries equivalents didn't think about but maybe they should.

If we don't use the AZ vacccines and now possibly J&J too and wait longer for more Pfizer and others, this will cost us some lives here through the time delay in getting vaccinated but also cost lives in other countries waiting behind us in the vaccine que too. Or do we expect them to use the AZ we don't want because its not safe enough for us but ye boys in the 3rd world can't be picky.

ddarcy · 13-04-2021 2:55pm

TheChosenOne_ wrote: »

Hi all I just have a question relating to vaccine.

I received a text message this morning from a mobile number saying that I have been put forward for a vaccination at Conolly Hospital and will be contacted about appointment in coming weeks.

I'm just wondering if this is one of those scam/fake messages? Just seemed a bit odd

I think some of the Dublin and cork hospitals are sending out this pre-text that you will get contacted later. The HSE will text you though when it’s time. That’s an 087 number if they are using the same countrywide.

Gael23 · 13-04-2021 2:56pm

J&J delaying EU rollout until US pause ends

Widescreen · 13-04-2021 2:57pm

TheChosenOne_ wrote: »

Hi all I just have a question relating to vaccine.

I received a text message this morning from a mobile number saying that I have been put forward
for a vaccination at Conolly Hospital and will be contacted about appointment in coming weeks.

I'm just wondering if this is one of those scam/fake messages? Just seemed a bit odd

I got vaccine last week, got the text only 24 hrs before. All the text mentions is my name and to say yes or no to the appointment and gives a phone number to ring if any questions. I think once they don't look for personal info from you it is genuine, thats my take.

Strazdas · 13-04-2021 2:57pm

ACitizenErased wrote: »

J&J delaying to allow review
https://twitter.com/mariatad/status/1381962180199780356?s=20

The one good piece of news here is that deliveries to EU states haven't even started yet,

TheChosenOne_ · 13-04-2021 3:00pm

ddarcy wrote: »

I think some of the Dublin and cork hospitals are sending out this pre-text that you will get contacted later. The HSE will text you though when it’s time. That’s an 087 number if they are using the same countrywide.

Yeah it's an 087 number and it just asks to reply YES or NO to whether you need an appointment.
Just wasn't 100% sure of the legitimacy of it, but good to hear that