Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

Strazdas

Wolf359f wrote: »

Are the 50-60 not being offered AZ and the other age groups forced to take Pfizer?
We can all play with the wording to make it sound worse.
50+ have 4 vaccines available, under 50 only have 2 available.

Anyways, nobody is being forced to take a vaccine, fix you wording, it's misleading.

That may change btw, seems J & J could be authorised for the under 50s soon.

iamwhoiam

Two weeks now after my first dose of AZ . The difference it has made to be me is priceless . I have confidence when out and planning to meet friends when we are all 4 weeks after dose 1
I cannot wait to see them and feel safe and happy in their company .
We are already planning a day in the garden with food and a glass of wine !!
Thank goodness for science and AZ and all vaccines .

User1998

niamh247 wrote: »

Why are the 50-60 are being forced to take AZ while other age groups n both sides are offered pfizer? Even GP says they can't change that. It is chaos without good reasoning.

Seriously whats your problem with AZ? You keep coming on here complaining about it. No one is forcing you to take it

SIL had her first Pfizer dose nearly 2 weeks ago, she felt fine at the time but we were supposed to meet for a picnic today and she had to cancel. Feeling really rough aches all over.

Could this be down to the vaccine or should she be tested for covid? She is convinced it is the vaccine, I am not so sure.

Necro

niamh247 wrote: »

"forced" is the right word because a possibly inferior option is available compared to other age groups. By the way, it is the other EU govts who made a comparattive positioning of the options, not me. If you are unsure about ths, you can check Denmark gov website.

It's not the right word because mandatory vaccination is not a thing in this country. If you don't want AZ when offered, don't take it.

I'm absolutely certain that someone else will gladly take your place and you can wait for your choice of vaccine.

But you did say before you were under 50 so this just seems like a constant anti-AZ rant...

Lumen

robinbird wrote: »

Not necessarily the case. EU plans on bringing in travel restrictions for those that don't do what they are told and get a vaccine. Those getting AZ will not be eligible for this for a few weeks after second dose.
So you could be restricted from travel later in the summer based on which vaccine you get. a legitimate concern for many.

None of that is true.

franciscanpunk

PhoenixParker wrote: »

He should just register with the portal. Nothing stopping him.

Have considerer but when contacted the GP was told he would be getting his vaccine through the GP and not through an MVC so for now will stick what he was asked to do but obv if it nothing soon will need to consider MVC.

Will give it a week before contacting GP again as trying to be understanding they are under pressure and limited by supply but being in chort 4 or 7(no idea which is relevant in these anymore) really should not be a disadvantage in terms of the age based roll out.

In terms of getting vaccines that arrive into the country into arms quickly we are doing ok so dont want to be overly critical, its one of the few things we are actually doing well on but its a bit frustrating

AdamD

Lumen wrote: »

There is not currently, and no plan for, a restriction on foreign travel to vaccinated people only.

Right. But there will be vaccine passports and somebody who has only had 1 dose of AZ will need to pay for a PCR test on the way in and out (€200+) whereas somebody who got 2 doses of Pfizer on the same time scale, will not.

Domestically it won't matter if they're saying 1 dose + 4 weeks for AZ, but for foreign travel it will.

Bubbaclaus

franciscanpunk wrote: »

Have considerer but when contacted the GP was told he would be getting his vaccine through the GP and not through an MVC so for now will stick what he was asked to do but obv if it nothing soon will need to consider MVC.

Will give it a week before contacting GP again as trying to be understanding they are under pressure and limited by supply but being in chort 4 or 7(no idea which is relevant in these anymore) really should not be a disadvantage in terms of the age based roll out.

In terms of getting vaccines that arrive into the country into arms quickly we are doing ok so dont want to be overly critical, its one of the few things we are actually doing well on but its a bit frustrating

Would he not just register on the portal too and then cancel that appointment if the GP gets to dose him first? There's no downside to just registering.

Happydays2020

robinbird wrote: »

Not necessarily the case. EU plans on bringing in travel restrictions for those that don't do what they are told and get a vaccine. Those getting AZ will not be eligible for this for a few weeks after second dose.
So you could be restricted from travel later in the summer based on which vaccine you get. a legitimate concern for many.

The govt "vaccine bonus" concept whereby you will get the official permission to hug a family member at a particular date is pathetically meaningless and insulting.

Restricted in that if you are not vaccinated you will need to have a negative PCR at either end.

Lumen

AdamD wrote: »

Right. But there will be vaccine passports and somebody who has only had 1 dose of AZ will need to pay for a PCR test on the way in and out (€200+) whereas somebody who got 2 doses of Pfizer on the same time scale, will not.

Domestically it won't matter if they're saying 1 dose + 4 weeks for AZ, but for foreign travel it will.

There will not be vaccine passports. As for PCR tests, I got mine free.

secman

niamh247 wrote: »

Why are the 50-60 are being forced to take AZ while other age groups n both sides are offered pfizer? Even GP says they can't change that. It is chaos without good reasoning.

Because they are totally safe for that age group, you really don't get chaos...India is chaos, we most definitely are not. Perspective .

robinbird

robinbird wrote: »

Not necessarily the case. EU plans on bringing in travel restrictions for those that don't do what they are told and get a vaccine. Those getting AZ will not be eligible for this for a few weeks after second dose.
So you could be restricted from travel later in the summer based on which vaccine you get. a legitimate concern for many.

The govt "vaccine bonus" concept whereby you will get the official permission to hug a family member at a particular date is pathetically meaningless and insulting.

Lumen wrote: »

None of that is true.

All of it is true. The EU plans to introduce a "digital green certificate" You would have to wait till a few weeks after the second AZ dose to be eligible, months after Pfizer people. So a legitimate concern for anyone thinking of travel later in summer.

Lumen

robinbird wrote: »

All of it is true. The EU plans to introduce a "digital green certificate" You would have to wait till a few weeks after the second AZ dose to be eligible, months after Pfizer people. So a legitimate concern for anyone thinking of travel later in summer.

Again, you're posting nonsense. Unvaccinated or partially vaccinated people will not be discriminated against.

Please stop posting misinformation, and cite your sources.

stephenjmcd

niamh247 wrote: »

"forced" is the right word because a possibly inferior option is available compared to other age groups. By the way, it is the other EU govts who made a comparattive positioning of the options, not me. If you are unsure about ths, you can check Denmark gov website.

You've posted the same thing day after day and got the same replies. It's tiresome

astrofool

astrofool wrote: »

I think because, like everything the French do around nationalism, it's a bit of a storm in a teacup, they'll announce some French facilities are being used and move on.

And the deal agreed today with the concession for France being:
“Other contracts and other vaccine technologies will follow,”

Which is a pretty great outcome. Awesome that the EU is leading the way on funding new effective vaccine technology.

Russman

robinbird wrote: »

All of it is true. The EU plans to introduce a "digital green certificate" You would have to wait till a few weeks after the second AZ dose to be eligible, months after Pfizer people. So a legitimate concern for anyone thinking of travel later in summer.

A negative pcr test and/or proof of prior infection will also be applicable to the green pass.

Wolf359f

astrofool wrote: »

Cohort 4 started out as being 140k (see this, among other articles, from Feb: https://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-vaccination-priority-list-5363927-Feb2021/) it has been added on to gradually since then and effectively taken in those in cohort 7 who would be more at risk than older age groups, this has left cohort 7 being people who are higher risk but less risk than older people.

The hope for a quick rollout would be that they do cohort 7 slowly while just opening up the age groups and taking in those in cohort 7 anyway, which would also reduce the outside pressure being put on health professionals by individuals trying to skip the queue (as they can't argue about age).

The HSE has since revised the number in group 4 to approx 250k. That wasn't revised upwards based on adding in some group 7 to the mix for ****s and giggles.
Or to allow for GP's to send through some group 7's as group 4's.

Group 7 is going at a snail's pace. I know it's still early May, which is still in line with the estimated start date.
However, as was pointed out last night, some people in the age 50+ who signed up to the portal have been told they are getting Pfizer. So that means the HSE are not planning on running 50+ with group 7 concurrently (not like 60+ and group 4, using different vaccine supplies, so one doesn't have an impact on the other)

AdamD

Lumen wrote: »

There will not be vaccine passports. As for PCR tests, I got mine free.

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

On vaccine passports: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56970398

On PCR tests: Free if you are suspected of having covid. Certainly not free if you need one for travel.

Wolf359f

AdamD wrote: »

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

On vaccine passports: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56970398

On PCR tests: Free if you are suspected of having covid. Certainly not free if you need one for travel.

Is that not based on travel from outside the EU to inside the EU? Travel by EU citizens within the EU is likely to be completely different.

Lumen

AdamD wrote: »

Are you being deliberately obtuse?

On vaccine passports: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56970398

On PCR tests: Free if you are suspected of having covid. Certainly not free if you need one for travel.

You're linking to an article from a website in a country outside the EU. This does not apply to EU residents.

There is no such thing as a vaccine passport.

AdamD

Wolf359f wrote: »

Is that not based on travel from outside the EU to inside the EU? Travel by EU citizens within the EU is likely to be completely different.

Lumen wrote: »

You're linking to an article from a website in a country outside the EU. This does not apply to EU residents.

There is no such thing as a vaccine passport.

Same thing for within the EU

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0429/1212774-coronavirus-travel-passports/

Changing the name doesn't change its function

AdamD wrote: »

Right. But there will be vaccine passports and somebody who has only had 1 dose of AZ will need to pay for a PCR test on the way in and out (€200+) whereas somebody who got 2 doses of Pfizer on the same time scale, will not.

Domestically it won't matter if they're saying 1 dose + 4 weeks for AZ, but for foreign travel it will.

Which ties in with my original post.

Lumen

AdamD wrote: »

Same thing for within the EU

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0429/1212774-coronavirus-travel-passports/

Changing the name doesn't change its function

Which ties in with my original post.

The "passport" as you call it is nothing to do with vaccination, it's to do with either showing immunity or lack of infection. Vaccination is one way to show immunity.

Calling it a "vaccine passport" is completely misleading.

Anyway, there's two threads about travel.

Bubbaclaus

We should hit the 2 millionth dose on Friday. Motoring on now.

Wolf359f

AdamD wrote: »

Same thing for within the EU

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0429/1212774-coronavirus-travel-passports/

Changing the name doesn't change its function



Which ties in with my original post.

Rte article talking about free covid tests though. Doesn't tie in with your original post.
We also do not know what's considered fully vaccinated by EU standard for EU citizens travelling within the block.
As most EU countries have similar vaccination rates, come June, requiring a vaccine passport within the block would actually prove pointless.

GeorgeBailey

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

We should hit the 2 millionth dose on Friday. Motoring on now.

About 3 months for the first million doses and then about a month for the second million? Pretty good to be fair.

white_westie

white_westie wrote: »

61 year old, Dublin based, getting AZ in Helix in Sat next, received text last evening, not in group 4 or 7, registered in portal last week

Very slick operation in Helix, 50 minutes from joining queue to walking out the door.

secman

white_westie wrote: »

Very slick operation in Helix, 50 minutes from joining queue to walking out the door.

Exactly the same for me in Citywest last Tuesday. 50 min all in. Clockwork

Lumen

GeorgeBailey wrote: »

About 3 months for the first million doses and then about a month for the second million? Pretty good to be fair.

I'm not complaining, but that's not quite right.

Between April 6 and May 6 we did 785k doses.

Bubbaclaus

More vaccines given out in the last 8 days than we've had confirmed cases of COVID throughout the whole pandemic.