Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

SJFly

expectationlost wrote: »

its not https://twitter.com/lostexpectation/status/1383390606605504517

The plan you keep on linking had key workers and numerous other groups vaccinated ahead of the general population.
Abandoning all the occupational groups and reintroducing the idea of vaccinating the youth ahead of middle aged (including those in high risk occupations) is completely new, and crazy.

expectationlost

SJFly wrote: »

The plan you keep on linking had key workers and numerous other groups vaccinated ahead of the general population.
Abandoning all the occupational groups and reintroducing the idea of vaccinating the youth ahead of middle aged (including those in high risk occupations) is completely new, and crazy.

its not, it doesn't say they wouldn't be prioritized ahead of those those other groups

expectationlost

TomOnBoard wrote: »

It is Donnelly's solo run if his Ministerial colleagues were blindsided by his comments, regardless of the inherent logic

its not about logic its about lying politicians, they agreed that national strategy which included this possibibilty

SJFly

expectationlost wrote: »

its not, it doesn't say they wouldn't be prioritized ahead of those those other groups

If it was going back to the original plan, which was only abandoned a few weeks ago, then that's what the would have said surely. And it really doesn't do much for public confidence to keep on changing direction.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0417/1210409-covid-19-ireland/

And now actual reality....

expectationlost

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0417/1210409-covid-19-ireland/

And now actual reality....

theres no change until there is change

Strazdas

SJFly wrote: »

The plan you keep on linking had key workers and numerous other groups vaccinated ahead of the general population.
Abandoning all the occupational groups and reintroducing the idea of vaccinating the youth ahead of middle aged (including those in high risk occupations) is completely new, and crazy.

From a PR point of view, it would be disastrous. People in their fifties having to wait until 18 year olds have been vaccinated i.e. their children and even grandchildren in some cases getting vaccinated before they do.

is_that_so

TomOnBoard wrote: »

It is Donnelly's solo run if his Ministerial colleagues were blindsided by his comments, regardless of the inherent logic

If it's something they might consider now is the time to look at it. It's kind of a wondering aloud idea for now but it's such a leakable proposal!

Gael23

Another solo run by SD

Strazdas

Strazdas wrote: »

From a PR point of view, it would be disastrous. People in their fifties having to wait until 18 year olds have been vaccinated i.e. their children and even grandchildren in some cases getting vaccinated before they do.

It just shows you how clueless he is.

Are politicians not supposed to be good at pr?

Supercell

Donnelly makes Norma look good, of all the times we needed a strong health minister and we get him.
Fcking FF same old, same old total incompetence, more flip flops than an Olympic gymnast, hopefully the next election will see them off finally.

noserider

[Deleted User] wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0417/1210409-covid-19-ireland/

And now actual reality....

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40268519.html
Conflicting reports...HSE ready to adjust Rollout

Edit: A bit of a misleading headline all the same.
Nothing confirmed

JTMan

With the highest under 16 population in the EU, the vaccination of those under 16 is important. We need to plan. This makes me worry ...

Regarding the vaccination of those aged 15 and younger ... MM also said that the European Commission is planning on a rollout of vaccinations for children and teenagers in 2022 and 2023. WTF? 2022 and 2023? What planet is he on?

The FDA is expected to approve Pfizer for those aged 12-15 later this month or early next month. A submission to the EMA is expected soon. It is expected that the approval process will be quicker than the one for those aged 16+. Ireland should be aiming for July for the first dose for those aged 12-15. Not 2022!

Goldman Sachs (who have being very accurate in their predictions) have said that they expect FDA approval for Pfizer for those aged 6 months to 11 in October 2021. I would guess that the EMA will approve around then too. Hence, we should be aiming to vaccinate those aged under 11, mainly in schools, in October or November 2021. Not 2023!

Van.Bosch

Supercell wrote: »

Donnelly makes Norma look good, of all the times we needed a strong health minister and we get him.
Fcking FF same old, same old total incompetence, more flip flops than an Olympic gymnast, hopefully the next election will see them off finally.

Wonder who the FG candidate would be if it was their portfolio?

dominatinMC

Micky 32 wrote: »

A bit of info coming out of Chile :

https://twitter.com/rufussg/status/1383051802174746626?s=21

Considering this is from the much-maligned Sinovac vaccine, these are good results!

Miike

JTMan wrote: »

With the highest under 16 population in the EU, the vaccination of those under 16 is important. We need to plan. This makes me worry ...

Regarding the vaccination of those aged 15 and younger ... MM also said that the European Commission is planning on a rollout of vaccinations for children and teenagers in 2022 and 2023 in an attempt to deal with the pandemic. WTF? 2022 and 2023? What planet is he on?

The FDA is expected to approve Pfizer for those aged 12-15 later this month or early next month. A submission to the EMA is expected soon. It is expected that the approval process will be quicker than the one for those aged 16+. Ireland should be aiming for July for the first dose for those aged 12-15. Not 2022!

Goldman Sachs (who have being very accurate in their predictions) have said that they expect FDA approval for Pfizer those aged 6 months to 11 in October 2021. I would guess that the EMA will approve around then too. Hence, we should be aiming to vaccinate those aged under 11, mainly in schools, in October or November 2021. Not 2023!

Children aren't driving high levels of transmission and suffer next to zero consequences of infection. If the adults in the family are vaccinated then the children have nothing to worry about, especially when we are working with limited supply. Obviously it would be nice to have everyone vaccinated by yesterday but that also isn't realistic.

Strazdas

noserider wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40268519.html
Conflicting reports...HSE ready to adjust Rollout

A misleading headline, I suspect they will go nowhere near it. Fit and healthy teenagers being vaccinated whilst people in their fifties have to wait their turn behind them would be politically toxic.

is_that_so

Van.Bosch wrote: »

Wonder who the FG candidate would be if it was their portfolio?

Harris might want to get back to it in 2023! There'll be a whole reshuffle when Leo gets back into the hot seat.

is_that_so

dominatinMC wrote: »

Considering this is from the much-maligned Sinovac vaccine, these are good results!

It's not maligned, the data on it wasn't good in trials.

expectationlost

Gael23 wrote: »

Another solo run by SD

its not a solo run it was already mentioned in the National COVID-19 Vaccination Programme: Strategy https://assets.gov.ie/108854/babc7d1b-cb10-49db-8dd0-0c7408dea162.pdf pg 29 bottom

Turtwig

Miike wrote: »

Children aren't driving high levels of transmission and suffer next to zero consequences of infection. If the adults in the family are vaccinated then the children have nothing to worry about, especially when we are working with limited supply. Obviously it would be nice to have everyone vaccinated by yesterday but that also isn't realistic.

While this is largely true you have to remember many parents would be incredibly anxious about their children who would be part of cohorts 4 or even 7 if vaccination was approved for all ages.

dominatinMC

is_that_so wrote: »

It's not maligned, the data on it wasn't good in trials.

Okay, if you're going to be pedantic about it, how about I rephrase it to "much-criticised"

is_that_so

dominatinMC wrote: »

Okay, if you're going to be pedantic about it, how about I rephrase it to "much-criticised"

Well, that it's not great is pretty factual! They even admitted it themselves, very briefly, but always good to see a level of protection anyway.

Strazdas

expectationlost wrote: »

its not a solo run it was already mentioned in the National COVID-19 Vaccination Programme: Strategy https://assets.gov.ie/108854/babc7d1b-cb10-49db-8dd0-0c7408dea162.pdf pg 29 bottom

When was that published, is that from months ago? It surely is not from this week?

If it's an outdated document, then it is already irrelevant to the current rollout.

expectationlost

expectationlost wrote: »

its not a solo run it was already mentioned in the National COVID-19 Vaccination Programme: Strategy https://assets.gov.ie/108854/babc7d1b-cb10-49db-8dd0-0c7408dea162.pdf pg 29 bottom

It was called provisional meaning rough draft.

it was published in December.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/39038-provisional-vaccine-allocation-groups/

is_that_so

Strazdas wrote: »

When was that published, is that from months ago? It surely is not from this week?

If it's an outdated document, then it is already irrelevant to the current rollout.

It's actually an overview of how they were going to manage the programme, including ramping up, much of which is in operation. You're referring to the much changed but very different provisional vaccination group document.

odyssey06

expectationlost wrote: »

its not a solo run it was already mentioned in the National COVID-19 Vaccination Programme: Strategy https://assets.gov.ie/108854/babc7d1b-cb10-49db-8dd0-0c7408dea162.pdf pg 29 bottom

The sequencing of allocation in that document was put into the recycle bin weeks back when the rollout was changed to age basis, and the government expended political capital explaining the scientific basis for the change.
Restoring it from the recycle bin is a solo run by Donnelly \ Dept of Health.

dominatinMC

is_that_so wrote: »

Well, that it's not great is pretty factual! They even admitted it themselves, very briefly, but always good to see a level of protection anyway.

Ya, that's what I mean. The fact that there appears to be quite good protection from a poor vaccine (relative to Pfizer, Moderna) is great news. And, from what I've seen there is a high level of the Brazilian variant circulating in Chile too..

is_that_so

odyssey06 wrote: »

That document was put into the recycle bin weeks back when the rollout was changed to age basis, and the government expended political capital explaining the scientific basis for the change.
Restoring it from the recycle bin is a solo run by Donnelly \ Dept of Health.

The allocation part of it yes but most of it is about systems and programme processes, which have not.

expectationlost

odyssey06 wrote: »

The sequencing of allocation in that document was put into the recycle bin weeks back when the rollout was changed to age basis, and the government expended political capital explaining the scientific basis for the change.
Restoring it from the recycle bin is a solo run by Donnelly \ Dept of Health.

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