Minnesota officer shoots dead another innocent black victim

Billy Mays

Danzy wrote: »

No, he was pulled over for expired plates.

He told his mother that it was for air freshener.

I stand corrected

Danzy

10000maniacs wrote: »

Ah sure, everything is cool then. They will know next time not to have expired plates. Job done. :rolleyes:

The police should be allowed pull over cars.

Have expired plates, his car would have been impounded for no insurance but don't fight and try to escape, that's the only lesson to learn.

He had enough run ins with the police,he was unlucky this time, as was the officer..

Tell me how

nullzero wrote: »

I believe he was pulled over because of an issue with his vehicle registration plates. I would assume the police vehicle was using a ANPR camera and that flagged his vehicle to them.

Are you suggesting that ANPR cameras are inherently racist? Are the people who code the ANPR software racist? Where does the racism end?

As for you "evidence", I'm asking you about this case in isolation. It is the easiest way to get to the facts of this case as opposed to reading everything as a racist conspiracy by all police officers.

The police briefing the media acknowledged that there is currently an issue with tags being issued and as such officers are expected to have some leniency in using this for probable cause to effect stops.

I am living in New England, there is an issue with the DMV Inspection system at the moment after the Ohio (I think) based company was hacked in March. As such, my car is invalid due to not having a valid inspection sticker. They announced on the media here that police are aware of this and would be taking this in to account when interacting with the public.

As for your 'evidence'. You are asking me for evidence to support something which I haven't said, and have said that I do not believe is necessarily the case. Keep asking for it, I don't care.

rossie1977

Say it time and again but police need massive reform in the US

10000maniacs

Danzy wrote: »

The police should be allowed pull over cars.

Have expired plates, his car would have been impounded for no insurance but don't fight and try to escape, that's the only lesson to learn.

He had enough run ins with the police,he was unlucky this time, as was the officer..

Unlucky? Like unlucky when you bet on the wrong horse or lose in a game of scrabble?

Danzy

Royal Irish wrote: »

Death to all with expired plates!!!

How do you even get to that.

Even as a drole comment.

He acted the Muppet and it worked out bad for him, it happens on life, thankfully rare enough.

Tell me how

Danzy wrote: »

Lots of "I think, you think, it seems, you guys".

You bring a lot of baggage and projection, which is quite common to the woke.

It's like any religion, some of ye will be ok, some will be deeply unpleasant.

Don't mind me, my family have a history of being bolshie to clergy, my grandfather threatened a Priest's life in the 30s for threatening him with excommunication over attending a Protestant funeral.

:D:D:D

Brilliant! Talking about baggage in the same post as using a story about your grandfather from 90 years ago as I don't know what, some sort of evidence that you yourself are of a particular mentality? Honestly, you, and your grandad have made me laugh.

nullzero

Billy Mays wrote: »

He was pulled over because he had an air freshner dangling from his rear view mirror.


Would they have pulled over a 65 year old white woman for the same thing?
Probably not.

They pulled him over because his registration was out of date (not sure of how that works over there) they then saw he had something hanging from his rear view mirror which is illegal in that state. Neither of these things necessitated him attempting to run from the police.

Tell me how

rossie1977 wrote: »

Say it time and again but police need massive reform in the US

Not just police, the gun issue is a root of this problem. As long as people argue for the right to have guns, they will expect everyone has guns, and they will be on edge to ensure that they are not too slow to act.

As a consequence, interactions escalate quickly and a couple of hours later there's another conversation on Boards. Rinse and repeat.

Feisar

Thread title misleading, can it not be corrected?

Danzy

10000maniacs wrote: »

Unlucky? Like unlucky when you bet on a horse or lose in a game of scrabble?

No, unlucky as in being dead.

People some times do foolish things, careless things, the right thing but it doesn't work out well and they die.

I wonder is it a deep uncomfortableness with death that has elevated this unfortunate event in to such a spectacle and trying to frame it as more than it is.

Tell me how

Feisar wrote: »

Thread title misleading, can it not be corrected?

What do you propose?

I propose; 'Another example showing American society needs change'

Ckendrick

Tell me how wrote: »

There, I did it for you.

You need to do a privilege check yourself. If you’ve never been the subject of a violent armed criminal or a woman beater, as this latest dead man was, then you really shouldn’t be arguing in favour of excusing their behaviour.

nullzero

Tell me how wrote: »

The police briefing the media acknowledged that there is currently an issue with tags being issued and as such officers are expected to have some leniency in using this for probable cause to effect stops.

I am living in New England, there is an issue with the DMV Inspection system at the moment after the Ohio (I think) based company was hacked in March. As such, my car is invalid due to not having a valid inspection sticker. They announced on the media here that police are aware of this and would be taking this in to account when interacting with the public.

As for your 'evidence'. You are asking me for evidence to support something which I haven't said, and have said that I do not believe is necessarily the case. Keep asking for it, I don't care.

What you're outlining above begs the question why Duante Wright decided to flee the police in the first place.

You have been banging on about people having a lack of empathy, something having to change, eluding to racism as a prime cause of this accident, you have offered no evidence to support that and now you're pretending you haven't been arguing those points.

It's OK to state that you're wrong about something, I'd actually think more of you of you did instead of continuing with this stubborn nonsense.

BrokenArrows

In this case unfortunately its the deceased own fault.
The bodycam video shows he was in the process of being handcuffed and then struggled with the police got back into his car, continued to fight them and started to drive away before being shot during the struggle.

nullzero

Tell me how wrote: »

What do you propose?

I propose; 'Another example showing American society needs change'

What aspect of American society?

People fleeing the police?

Tell me how

Ckendrick wrote: »

You need to do a privilege check yourself. If you’ve never been the subject of a violent armed criminal or a woman beater, as this latest dead man was, then you really shouldn’t be arguing in favour of excusing their behaviour.

A - I haven't done that.
B - Does that justify him being killed as he was?
C - Are the police correct to act as judge/jury/executioner?
D - What action do you think needs to come out of this incident?

10000maniacs

Danzy wrote: »

No, unlucky as in being dead.

People some times do foolish things, careless things, the right thing but it doesn't work out well and they die.

I wonder is it a deep uncomfortableness with death that has elevated this unfortunate event in to such a spectacle and trying to frame it as more than it is.

Like when you stick your head out of a train window?, or jump off a cliff?, or have out of date reg. plates?

TanookiMario

10000maniacs wrote: »

If you are saying black people are more violent and criminal minded than white people generally, that is somewhat racist.

Would it be fair to say that males between the ages of 20 and 35 are more violent and criminal minded than other demographics?

Or would it be fair to say that the average 80 year old woman is just as likely to have violent and criminal tendencies compared to say the average 18 year old male?

nullzero

10000maniacs wrote: »

Like when you stick your head out of a train window?, or jump off a cliff?, or have out of date reg. plates?

The registration plate issue isn't down to misfortune. He made the decision to flee the police for a minor issue and an officer then mistakenly used a gun instead of a taser. There was no premeditation.

Tell me how

nullzero wrote: »

What you're outlining above begs the question why Duante Wright decided to flee the police in the first place.

You have been banging on about people having a lack of empathy, something having to change, eluding to racism as a prime cause of this accident, you have offered no evidence to support that and now you're pretending you haven't been arguing those points.

It's OK to state that you're wrong about something, I'd actually think more of you of you did instead of continuing with this stubborn nonsense.

And still looking for evidence to support this mythical position position I haven't expressed. You want me to admit I am wrong about something I haven't said. You need to take some time and maybe read my posts twice before responding to them.

nullzero

Tell me how wrote: »

A - I haven't done that.
B - Does that justify him being killed as he was?
C - Are the police correct to act as judge/jury/executioner?
D - What action do you think needs to come out of this incident?

How did the police act as judge jury and executioner in this incident?

Can we agree that the shooting was an accident?
Can the facts be accepted and not overshadowed by hyperbole?

nolivesmatter

His license plates were expired. That's a reason to be pulled over and really should put to bed at least the idea that he was pulled over because he was black. Yet you have media putting out headlines like this, which in the same sentence acknowledges the actual reason he was pulled over yet still pushes the notion that it was racially motivated.

Daunte Wright was stopped for expired plates, but driving while Black may have been his 'crime'
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/daunte-wright-was-stopped-expired-plates-driving-while-black-may-n1263878

People are quick to criticize Fox, and often rightly so, but this kind of sh*te from other media outlets is a problem too.

TanookiMario

BrokenArrows wrote: »

In this case unfortunately its the deceased own fault.
The bodycam video shows he was in the process of being handcuffed and then struggled with the police got back into his car, continued to fight them and started to drive away before being shot during the struggle.

I think you could make an argument that there is a fear among the black community that if they are being arrested then their life is at risk anyway. This could cause someone to panic and try to flee.

Of course the problem with trying to flee in a car means you could endanger others.

In some parallel universe he flees in the car and then crashes killing himself and a family in another car and this thread doesn't exist because nobody would care.

10000maniacs

nullzero wrote: »

The registration plate issue isn't down to misfortune. He made the decision to flee the police for a minor issue and an officer then mistakenly used a gun instead of a taser. There was no premeditation.

Maybe he tried to flee because the officer was shouting "taser, taser, taser" while pointing a loaded Glock 19 pistol at his head. Maybe he had grave concerns about that particular situation. I certainly would.

TanookiMario

nolivesmatter wrote: »

His license plates were expired. That's a reason to be pulled over and really should put to bed at least the idea that he was pulled over because he was black. Yet when you have media putting out headlines like this, which in the same sentence acknowledges the actual reason he was pulled over yet still pushes the notion that it was racially motivated.

Daunte Wright was stopped for expired plates, but driving while Black may have been his 'crime'
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/daunte-wright-was-stopped-expired-plates-driving-while-black-may-n1263878

People are quick to criticize Fox, and often rightly so, but this kind of sh*te from other media outlets is a problem too.

The real question is why they would want to report on it like that.

Here is a ready made opportunity to play down racial hatred and tensions. Explain what happened here and why its not really about race but also why it is absolutely wrong. This man should still be alive today and its not right that police can just kill someone like that. Reform is needed.

Instead they are going for the option of stoking tensions. Its so needless.

So bad that it even somehow reaches over here and we have a very similar thing playing out. It's possible to be anti-racist without completely abandoning logic and reason. Yet some just cant help themselves.

nullzero

Tell me how wrote: »

And still looking for evidence to support this mythical position position I haven't expressed. You want me to admit I am wrong about something I haven't said. You need to take some time and maybe read my posts twice before responding to them.

Here's a quote from a post you left on this thread this afternoon ; "What I am suggesting is, that had he been white, he likely wouldn't have been pulled over in the first place."


That's a mere taster of your argument that race was an issue in this case.

If you can't remember or be bothered to look back over your own posts for evidence of what you're saying that's on you.

nullzero

10000maniacs wrote: »

Maybe he tried to flee because the officer was shouting "taser, taser, taser" while pointing a loaded Glock 19 pistol at his head. Maybe he had grave concerns about that particular situation. I certainly would.

They said that after he resisted arrest and tried to drive away.

This is obvious to anyone who watched the video. It's a pretty short video as well so it's not that hard to follow what's going on.

Yet more bad faith arguments, twist the narrative to suit your opinion and it works anyway you want it to. Pathetic.

10000maniacs

nullzero wrote: »

They said that after he resisted arrest and tried to drive away.

This is obvious to anyone who watched the video. It's a pretty short video as well so it's not that hard to follow what's going on.

Yet more bad faith arguments, twist the narrative to suit your opinion and it works anyway you want it to. Pathetic.

What? He drove off after being shot. Are we talking about the same video?

Tell me how

nullzero wrote: »

Here's a quote from a post you left on this thread this afternoon ; "What I am suggesting is, that had he been white, he likely wouldn't have been pulled over in the first place."


That's a mere taster of your argument that race was an issue in this case.

If you can't remember or be bothered to look back over your own posts for evidence of what you're saying that's on you.

Do you not understand what the phrase 'What I am suggesting' means?

Is it this view you want evidence for?
How's this?

'Research Shows Black Drivers More Likely to Be Stopped by Police'

You might find this particularly interesting.

They found that black drivers made up a smaller share of those stopped at night, when it’s more difficult to discern the race of a driver, which suggests that racial bias may influence stop decisions.