Non Covid healthcare

odyssey06

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There was no Covid to focus on outside of January.

Sure we’ve being locked down for most of the last year.

There was no covid to focus on last spring?

How long restrictions are in place for is not relevant here. Its the cancelling of other procedures in hospitals to focus on covid and the consequences of this.
Were screenings cancelled for most of last year?

They are two entirely separate things despite your attempts to hijack this thread into another anti restrictions thread.

drunkmonkey

odyssey06 wrote: »

In the context of this thread it seemed relevant to point out that for a significant period the private hospitals werent treating private patients quicker than public. In fact for a period were treating non covid public patients as part of the covid deal.
Wouldnt waiting list stats etc be worse if that hadnt happened?

They're diabolical, public health is a shambles. People are going to die sooner as a result of what has happened. It's no way to pretty it up by saying it could have been worse.
Public hospitals are an embarrassment, they Mayo tic toc pretty much summed up the contempt the health service has for people, empty rooms, empty theaters, plenty of room for dancing though.

odyssey06

odyssey06 wrote: »

There was no covid to focus on last spring?

How long restrictions are in place for is not relevant here. Its the cancelling of other procedures in hospitals to focus on covid and the consequences of this.
Were screenings cancelled for most of last year?

They are two entirely separate things despite your attempts to hijack this thread into another anti restrictions thread.

Hospital numbers only reached something like 800 last April. Across the entire country. And then completely dropped off for the rest of the year.

So I repeat, if we cancelled screenings and treatments, that’s our own fault. There was no reason to.

Sofa King Great

Why are so many of the arguments about covid put in to a binary choice of either halt the whole country or else let covid rip at 8k vases a day. Are we not allowed to expect our national health service to operate on more than one front at a time or adjust capacity as required.

The fact remains that for most of the year, many hospitals were far quieter than normal and yet screenings and electives were cancelled.

They are able to carry out covid tests in a safe manner where covid isn't spread so why not breast checks, colon checks etc

The impact of this will be seen for years to come

odyssey06

Are there any stats available on how we fare versus our peers in terms of impact on non covid healthcare, periods of cancelled services and increase in waiting lists?

Are we still in surge mode or have these services fully resumed now?

Multipass

It actually makes me sick listening to all of this angst over the vaccine side effects, people scared of a one in a million chance of a blood clot - wake up, the chances of you dying on a waiting list are increasing exponentially, and no-one seems to care. The hospitals have been unnaturally quiet for the last year. For all those billions spent the average persons health is going to be far more at risk post covid than it was during covid.

theguzman

The HSE is an absolute and total disgrace, it was indefensible long before Covid, Covid merely brought out the very worst in it. You have tens of thousands of employees in the HSE and Public and Civil Service who should not have jobs, a minority of workers in the HSE do the majority of the work on the front line.

It exists as a glorified social employment scheme and it attracts some of the thickest and worst persons in our society for job security and salary who usually get jobs out of political crony appointment not on their own merit, these guys wouldn't last two minutes in the real world of the private sector.

The HSE is run by these same sloth like employees for their own benefit and the trade unions will defend them to the death. The HSE cannot be fixed or reformed, it will continue to drain the Irish coffers to the tune of €250bn over the next decade while nothing even resembling proper modern 1st world healthcare will be delivered.

I propose the complete privatization of the running of the HSE, keep infrastructure and lands in state ownership, but outsource everything else. Split away the Healthcare cost out of PRSI and introduce a national insurance tax, similar to now, funding is not the problem here remember. All employees of the HSE to transfer to the private sector who will take over and to lose all their Public servant status, new legislation banning trade unions from the healthcare profession with a minimum 10 year prison sentences for any union strike or activity on HSE property.

Break the unions, let the private sector run things efficiently with bonuses for things like no waiting lists etc. I am not proposing an American system where you go bankrupt for a broken leg or choose which fingers to reattach because its $10k per finger etc. Everyone will be covered with excellent levels of coverage paid from taxation but delivered by the private sector since the Public system is so corrupt and exists not as healthcare but a jobs for the boys club of inefficency and outright nepotism. Hundreds of lives are lost every month due to this outright scandal but the golden cow that is the HSE is deemed to be sacrosanct as if it was something like the NHS in the UK.

Compared to the NHS, the UK treasury spends around £150bn/€175bn on the NHS for their population of 67.5million people or €2,600 per head of population.

Ireland by comparison spends €21bn for our population of 5million people and thus Ireland spends €4,200 per head. Funding from Government has never been higher, so high that it is endanger of sending the country into a total fiscal crisis and destroying the economy again. We pay some of the worlds highest combined taxes when you count all taxes, levies and charges. The middle class are crippled and if you want health cover you must shell out another €1,500-€2,500 per year for Health Insurance after already being forced to pay PRSI taxation to fund the behemoth that is the HSE.

There needs to be Thatcher like figure to break the Unions and privatize health because right now we have a whopping health spend and nothing in return, we might aswell take the €21bn and put in a pyre in the middle of Croke Park and burn it because the people are getting no healthcare and only paying huge taxes to fund this scandal. If you are highly paid and underworked HSE employee or one of the hundreds on €100K+ you will of course disagree and call me an right wing loon or whatever you want but what we have now is a disgrace and is not working and will only continue to get far worse until radical action is taken.

Donald Trump

theguzman wrote: »

The HSE is an absolute and total disgrace, it was indefensible long before Covid, Covid merely brought out the very worst in it. You have tens of thousands of employees in the HSE and Public and Civil Service who should not have jobs, a minority of workers in the HSE do the majority of the work on the front line.

It exists as a glorified social employment scheme and it attracts some of the thickest and worst persons in our society for job security and salary who usually get jobs out of political crony appointment not on their own merit, these guys wouldn't last two minutes in the real world of the private sector.

The HSE is run by these same sloth like employees for their own benefit and the trade unions will defend them to the death. The HSE cannot be fixed or reformed, it will continue to drain the Irish coffers to the tune of €250bn over the next decade while nothing even resembling proper modern 1st world healthcare will be delivered.

I propose the complete privatization of the running of the HSE, keep infrastructure and lands in state ownership, but outsource everything else. Split away the Healthcare cost out of PRSI and introduce a national insurance tax, similar to now, funding is not the problem here remember. All employees of the HSE to transfer to the private sector who will take over and to lose all their Public servant status, new legislation banning trade unions from the healthcare profession with a minimum 10 year prison sentences for any union strike or activity on HSE property.

Break the unions, let the private sector run things efficiently with bonuses for things like no waiting lists etc. I am not proposing an American system where you go bankrupt for a broken leg or choose which fingers to reattach because its $10k per finger etc. Everyone will be covered with excellent levels of coverage paid from taxation but delivered by the private sector since the Public system is so corrupt and exists not as healthcare but a jobs for the boys club of inefficency and outright nepotism. Hundreds of lives are lost every month due to this outright scandal but the golden cow that is the HSE is deemed to be sacrosanct as if it was something like the NHS in the UK.

Compared to the NHS, the UK treasury spends around £150bn/€175bn on the NHS for their population of 67.5million people or €2,600 per head of population.

Ireland by comparison spends €21bn for our population of 5million people and thus Ireland spends €4,200 per head. Funding from Government has never been higher, so high that it is endanger of sending the country into a total fiscal crisis and destroying the economy again. We pay some of the worlds highest combined taxes when you count all taxes, levies and charges. The middle class are crippled and if you want health cover you must shell out another €1,500-€2,500 per year for Health Insurance after already being forced to pay PRSI taxation to fund the behemoth that is the HSE.

There needs to be Thatcher like figure to break the Unions and privatize health because right now we have a whopping health spend and nothing in return, we might aswell take the €21bn and put in a pyre in the middle of Croke Park and burn it because the people are getting no healthcare and only paying huge taxes to fund this scandal. If you are highly paid and underworked HSE employee or one of the hundreds on €100K+ you will of course disagree and call me an right wing loon or whatever you want but what we have now is a disgrace and is not working and will only continue to get far worse until radical action is taken.

BrianD3

The reduction in cancer screening is at least getting some attention but there is so much more not happening. E.g. my cousin works part time and is a family carer for his father. Has a few hours' homecare package. There was a Covid case (don't know exact details) and homecare was abruptly withdrawn last week with no date give for when it would resume. No contingency was in place.

My cousin, the care recipient and the carers have all received at least one dose of the Covid vaccine.

At what point (percentage of the pop vaccinated, hospital and ICU numbers) are we going to return from our current dysfunctional health service to the previous, slightly less dysfunctional service. At some stage, our neurotic, Covid fixated, ass covering authorities are going to have to make a call that the number of Covid cases is no longer an important metric.

They talk a lot of nonsense about protecting the vulnerable and elderly. Advising people to cocoon and when the practical issue of getting food is raised "ah shur ring the local GAA club" :rolleyes:

Daycare centres were closed, meals on wheels was stopped. People were reliant on both.

Elderly people didn't stop falling during the pandemic. Elderly fallers who had been living at home and ended up in hospital were treated like hot potatoes and discharged in a rush without any supports or referral for community physiotherapy. Physios being redeployed to contact tracing won't have helped. Single issue thinking. It may well be the case that falls and lack of mobility will turn out to have been bigger issues for elderly people during the pandemic than Covid itself.