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Poolbeg chimneys at risk of corrosion

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    #92
    Black Cloud
    Registered Users Posts: 8 ✭Black Cloud


    HeidiHeidi wrote: »
    You could say the same for the walk from Sandymount out to the Great South Wall

    Exactly. It was just a suggestion, one that would benefit the people of both Dublin and further afield. The South Wall could definitely do with an upgrade.


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    #93
    Thelonious Monk
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    I don't think more cafes on bull island is anything we need, it's supposed to be a nature reserve and the place is really plagued with litter already.


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    #94
    HeidiHeidi
    Registered Users Posts: 29,348 ✭✭✭✭HeidiHeidi


    And so it begins.....

    Could we not do X?
    Ah no, we should do Y.
    Definitely not, Z is a much better value.

    How long before hospital beds are mentioned???

    The question is, should the chimneys be kept or not!

    Not pointing the finger at any particular poster by the way! It's just the way these threads always seem to go.


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    #95
    [Deleted User]
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    I could be wrong, but is the OP a word-for-word copy/paste of an older thread? :confused:


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    #96
    Thelonious Monk
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    Not unless I'm sleep posting


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    #97
    odyssey06
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I could be wrong, but is the OP a word-for-word copy/paste of an older thread? :confused:

    What year is it where you are?
    Are the towers still there?

    The corrosion article only appeared recently so we must consider other explanations.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #98
    [Deleted User]
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    odyssey06 wrote: »
    The incinerator was built in the last 10 years.

    If the incinerator served no purpose, would you be if favour of it being built there?


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    #99
    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 30,085 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    If the incinerator served no purpose, would you be if favour of it being built there?

    I have no idea what you are on about.
    The incinerator with its stacks were built there recently.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #100
    efwren
    Registered Users Posts: 135 ✭✭efwren


    I am a regular visitor to shelly banks and poolbeg.

    I love the chimneys, as do my kids. They are a real landmark.

    I would be very dissapointed if they were removed.

    We have removed many many landmarks and streetscapes in Dublin and replaced them with bland 'modern' architecture, with no character.

    I simply don't understand to desire to remove something which is unmistakably Dublin. Why the rush to make Dublin look like other cities? It's Dublin, not Hong Kong.


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    #101
    VonLuck
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    efwren wrote: »
    I simply don't understand to desire to remove something which is unmistakably Dublin. Why the rush to make Dublin look like other cities? It's Dublin, not Hong Kong.

    Unmistakably Dublin? Google "power plant smokestack" and you'll find plenty of others just like it.

    I can understand preserving some of the older brick chimneys though, like the one near Facebook. There is an aesthetic about them, the brickwork and workmanship is impressive. You could see people even replicating them in new builds, but a red and white striped concrete smokestack? Not a chance.


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    #102
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,725 ✭ [Deleted User]


    The ESB cannot be expected to continue to maintain two old chimney stacks that serve no purpose only some sort of nostalgia.

    Someone said we are all paying for them, but I'm not sure that is actually the case. The standing charge we pay is to maintain the network, so is paid to ESB Networks. Poolbeg would be part of ESB Generation. I could be wrong, but I think they operate in a deregulated market, so get none of the standing charge.

    That said, the Generation arm of the ESB are after making major announcements about investing in offshore wind, solar, distributed generation etc. I'd rather they invest in that instead of trying to maintain two ancient stacks that are probably starting to become structurally unsound. We complain about politicians getting 8k each on office expenses, but the overall cost of that is less than the cost of keeping these yokes standing.


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    #103
    Bob Harris
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    Deleted User wrote: »

    We complain about politicians getting 8k each on office expenses, but the overall cost of that is less than the cost of keeping these yokes standing.

    But the Poolbeg towers don't do any harm while the politicians have the country ruined.


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    #104
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,725 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Bob Harris wrote: »
    But the Poolbeg towers don't do any harm while the politicians have the country ruined.


    :rolleyes:


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    #105
    PhilOssophy
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    efwren wrote: »

    We have removed many many landmarks and streetscapes in Dublin and replaced them with bland 'modern' architecture, with no character.

    Like what? What landmarks have been removed?


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    #106
    Bob Harris
    Registered Users Posts: 3,461 ✭✭✭Bob Harris


    PhilOssophy wrote: »
    Like what? What landmarks have been removed?

    Nelson's Pillar.


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    #107
    Thelonious Monk
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    PhilOssophy wrote: »
    Like what? What landmarks have been removed?

    I actually think I liked the old motor tax office, I'm not even messing


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    #108
    Topgear on Dave
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    The ESB cannot be expected to continue to maintain two old chimney stacks that serve no purpose only some sort of nostalgia.

    .

    The ESB should offer to either dismantle them or transfer them to DCC.

    Councillors call for many things when it won't cost them a penny. They'll think a bit harder about it when they have to budget for a refurb.


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    #109
    GSBellew
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    They are hideous, have no architectural merit to speak of, there is no reason in sanity that they should be retained going forwards for no purpose.

    Should the residents of Dublin / DCC wish them to remain by all means, keep them, but fund it solely from a levy on the residences in Dublin.


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    #110
    stoneill
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    The are hideous and they are crumbling from lack of maintenance.
    They just sit there, doing nothing and cant be used for anything.
    If they were iconic then something should have been done before now -
    convert them to an observation platform, build a restaurant, use it for zip line.
    Something, anything. too late for that now, they are horrible, dilapidated, uncared for.
    Knock them down and build something that can be used.


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    #111
    VonLuck
    Registered Users Posts: 2,214 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    Whilst I believe there's a good chunk of the population who would like to see them demolished, myself included, I don't think it will happen. When you see the amount of nimbyism that goes on, there won't be a single politician who would back the move for fear of upsetting their constituents.

    Best we can hope for is a repair job and a lick of paint.


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    #112
    [Deleted User]
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    I humbly propose that we demolish Dublin completely and we all move to the Carribbean, leaving only the chimneys behind.


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    #113
    Bob Harris
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    VonLuck wrote: »
    Whilst I believe there's a good chunk of the population who would like to see them demolished, myself included, I don't think it will happen. When you see the amount of nimbyism that goes on, there won't be a single politician who would back the move for fear of upsetting their constituents.

    Best we can hope for is a repair job and a lick of paint.

    I thought Nimbyism is when people don't want things built as opposed to wanting them knocked down!

    ...'Those horrible towers, a blight on the skyline'
    ..'they should be knocked'
    ..' god no, not in my back yard!'


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    #114
    odyssey06
    Registered Users Posts: 30,085 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Bob Harris wrote: »
    I thought Nimbyism is when people don't want things built as opposed to wanting them knocked down!

    ...'Those horrible towers, a blight on the skyline'
    ..'they should be knocked'
    ..' god no, not in my back yard!'

    The local seagulls should get on their local councillors about the stink from the waste water treatment plant, and the architecturally beautiful incinerator.
    Clearing the towers will give us humans a much better view of what other visual delights the area has to offer.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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    #115
    VonLuck
    Registered Users Posts: 2,214 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    Bob Harris wrote: »
    I thought Nimbyism is when people don't want things built as opposed to wanting them knocked down!

    ...'Those horrible towers, a blight on the skyline'
    ..'they should be knocked'
    ..' god no, not in my back yard!'

    Yes, it is. I meant it with respect to politicians response to Nimby's. They'll go to any length to avoid progressiveness and upsetting the locals!


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    #116
    HeidiHeidi
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    stoneill wrote: »
    The are hideous and they are crumbling from lack of maintenance.
    They just sit there, doing nothing and cant be used for anything.
    If they were iconic then something should have been done before now -
    convert them to an observation platform, build a restaurant, use it for zip line.
    Something, anything. too late for that now, they are horrible, dilapidated, uncared for.
    Knock them down and build something that can be used.
    Why do they have to "do" something?


    Can they not just be there?


    They were built for a purpose, they served that purpose (in living memory of a lot of us), now they're there and they're an intrinsic, visual part of the Dublin skyline.


    I agree that they're dilapidated and uncared for, but not that they're horrible.


    I also fear that it is (or soon will be) too late for them, and they'll either fall down or have to be taken down for safety.


    And I think that will be a shame.


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    #117
    PhilOssophy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭PhilOssophy


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    The local seagulls should get on their local councillors about the stink from the waste water treatment plant, and the architecturally beautiful incinerator.
    Clearing the towers will give us humans a much better view of what other visual delights the area has to offer.

    Weren't these same locals blaming the new incinerator for a load of flies in the area a couple of years ago? Nothing to do with the treatment plant. Or the fact that others said it was like that every year at a particular time of year....


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    #118
    PhilOssophy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭PhilOssophy


    Bob Harris wrote: »
    Nelson's Pillar.

    Well, a lot of planning went in to that by the council, didn't it....


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    #119
    Dyr
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    MeepMeep2021 wrote: »
    I humbly propose that we demolish Dublin completely and we all move to the Carribbean, leaving only the chimneys behind.


    But...but..think of all the buidlings of architectural value we've but up in the last 50 years. There's the....ummm..the...


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    #120
    alias no.9
    Registered Users Posts: 6,310 ✭✭✭alias no.9


    Bob Harris wrote: »
    I thought Nimbyism is when people don't want things built as opposed to wanting them knocked down!

    ...'Those horrible towers, a blight on the skyline'
    ..'they should be knocked'
    ..' god no, not in my back yard!'

    It's probably best defined by resistance to change of any kind.

    The chimneys are iconic in that they do create a focal point on many vistas but they probably don't warrant significant spending just to continue to exist.


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    #121
    [Deleted User]
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    They are iconic, whether people find them attractive or not.

    If they can be restored, I think they should be mondernized, and covered in an led display (invisible during the day, but at night they light up with different light shows.

    If they can’t be repaired, they should be demolished, and two smaller modern towers built, again covered in LED displays. This would be a nice homage, displaying the red and white strips in between light displays.

    Would look fantastic on the Dublin skyline


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