What kind of person beeps a learner driver?

Mimon

Piollaire wrote: »

My driving instructor said that he once got beeped out of it while giving a lesson. He got out of the car and threatened the guards on mr. horn, which quickly put an end to it.

I once beeped a car for pulling out without indicating - the dodgiest scumbag I ever saw stuck his head out the window and shouted abuse at me. I now reserve the horn for its intended purpose of accident avoidance.

A car just pulled out in front of me at a roundabout and I had to break hard to avoid going into him so I beeped him.

We were taking the same exit and he stopped the car, a huge steroid infused gangster body builder type came over angrily to my window. I still gave him a mouthful through my now locked door

07Lapierre

I was behind a learner driver (learner plates. The car, not a motoring school car) as we approached a roundabout. The learner stopped and when the roundabout was clear, stalled the engine as he/she tried to move off. They restarted the engine and tried again, only this time they let the clutch out too fast with not enough throttle and the the car "bunny hopped" a few times and stalled again!

At this point the guy behind me decided to lean on the horn for a good few seconds. The learner tried agin and agin the car lurched forward and stopped again. At this point I was getting a bit peeved, but it was clear the learner was totally stressed/panicking at this point.

I was tempted to pull over, get out and offer to move the car over, it thankfully the passenger got out and ran around to the drivers side and took over.

The who,e incident lasted no more than two minutes or so. I suspect we would have been delayed about 30seconds less if the muppet behind me didn't make things worse by beeping the horn!

YoshiReturns

Beep Me! I'm Irish!

YoshiReturns

EGO = 5
EGO + CAR = 10
EGO + CAR + HORN = 15
EGO + CAR + HORN + DELAY = HULK SMASH !

Strumms

Beeping a horn won’t actually make another driver who is struggling to progress, to progress any faster... if anything the opposite. So people need to be calm, relax and wait, instead of adding to the drivers anxiety...

Lu Tze

Strumms wrote: »

Beeping a horn won’t actually make another driver who is struggling to progress, to progress any faster... if anything the opposite. So people need to be calm, relax and wait, instead of adding to the drivers anxiety...

It will if they are clearly looking at their phone instead of the light that's been green for the last while during their important twit/inst/fb update

SpitfireIV

I remember been blown out of it when learning, out one Sunday morning with the auld fella between lessons. Came up to a traffic light on the hill as it turned red. Panic sets in. Light goes green, I stall. Try to take off again; stall. Light goes red.

Few moments pass and light goes green again once more, already highly stressed and sensing the growing frustration in the queued up traffic behind me....I stalled. Horns are blowing like mad by this stage, but not from the fella behind me, he could see I was obviously a learner and I could see him in the mirror get out to let the car behind him know of the imbacile behind the wheel up front. Auld fella reckoned I'd taken enough punishment by this stage and figured this hill start wasn't gonna happen this particular morning, he took over.

I still approach that same light on the hill with fear and trepidation, even though I have no problem with hill starts now, I still hear those horns....beep...beep....


BEEP BEEP!!!

:-(

biko

I paid a lot of money for this BMW and you are blocking me.


Beep, beeeeeeep.

Gen.Zhukov

Had an L driver (with instructor) in front of me a few months ago that cut out at lights. No problem. Next set of lights the same. The following 3 sets of lights, did the same. 5 times in a row. She was laughing most of the times it happened (possibly nervous laughter)

I was more pissed off with the instructor tbh. The girl needed more time in a empty car park before being unleashed on the main roads.

Edgware

I only beep if they have Nordie reg plates

Panjandrums

I've started beeping at people on phones in congestion areas and drivers on the phone who don't recognize that I've done them a favour by pulling in dispite the obstacle being on their side of the road.

A beep followed by eye contact helps ensure they knew the beep was for them, resulting in them putting their phone down to their lap to check that I'm not a guard.

Dear dickhead E-Class Merc driver from 2007,

I was the guy with the L plates on the N7 before it became the M7 in my Corsa attempting to overtake 3 lorries aiming for the inside lane on what was known as the Carew Park roundabout at the time in Limerick before the bypass/tunnel. I made it through but you didn't thanks to the truckers. Your constant flashing lights/driving up my hole/me with no where to go did not help.

Hope you eventually got to your destination.

_Brian

My 18 yo daughter is a learner at moment.
The beeping thing only happened us once where she was cautious at a busy junction and probably could have proceeded but caution is better as a learner.

Definitely see a fair bit of bullying at roundabouts etc when the L plates are on a car.
I occasionally use the corsa we have the L plates on and so does my wife and there is a noticeable increase in lack of respect for the L plated car.

It’s very bad form all round.

.anon.

peasant wrote: »

People who can't drive (yet) have no business being on the road.
Unless they are in a proper instructors car with dual controls, with an instructor who will eventually lend a helping foot if there is no progress being made.

As long as they've got a fully licenced driver alongside them, they have the exact same right to be on the road as the impatient dickhead who thinks he's a great driver, but doesn't know what a horn is for. And no good instructor would ever 'lend a helping foot' to assist with progress. That's not what dual controls are for.

Strumms

Lu Tze wrote: »

It will if they are clearly looking at their phone instead of the light that's been green for the last while during their important twit/inst/fb update

You’d need to be able to see through their seat to establish that.

stoneill

I was driving one time when my car stalled.
The guy behind beeping all the time while I was trying to restart the car.
Despite all attempts, the car just would not start, with the constant honking right behind.
Eventually I went to the other car and handed him the keys and said, why don't you see if
you can start my car and I'll sit here honking the horn for you.

(didn't actually happen, just a joke I heard once)

Wanderer78

A fcuking arsehole

GLaDOS

Generally only beep when people aren't paying attention to the lights (Usually on their phone).

Beeping a learner is likely to be counter productive. Putting an inexperienced driver under more pressure doesn't help anyone.

I remember cutting out at lights before when I was learning. I stayed calm, restarted the car and got moving. My dad rolled down the window and started shouting at your man :pac:. About as helpful as the beeping.

peasant

peasant wrote: »

People who can't drive (yet) have no business being on the road.
Unless they are in a proper instructors car with dual controls, with an instructor who will eventually lend a helping foot if there is no progress being made.

Not on their own but with other drivers is ok. Did you only practise with instructors?

fryup

apologies if this has been posted already....

but this is a mandatory watch...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cU6TxpG_p4

Hamsterchops

Deleted User wrote: »

What kind of person beeps a learner driver?

I'm guessing somebody who hasn't noticed the L badge? Maybe it was obscured by reflecting sunlight or something?

You can't beep a Learner, it's just not on.

andekwarhola

I would never ever hassle a learner - it's rude and dangerous. At the end of the day though, we need to get to a stage here where learners are only on the road strictly for diving lessons or tests - and practising in quiet private areas. Not ambling around indefinitely on public roads while on a provisional licence.

GT89

andekwarhola wrote: »

I would never ever hassle a learner - it's rude and dangerous. At the end of the day though, we need to get to a stage here where learners are only on the road strictly for diving lessons or tests - and practising in quiet private areas. Not ambling around indefinitely on public roads while on a provisional licence.

So how else are learner drivers supposed to gain experience in order to pass the test?

Wibbs

GT89 wrote: »

So how else are learner drivers supposed to gain experience in order to pass the test?

By learning how to operate the car itself to some degree of fluency, not being dropped in at the deep end with bugger all car control in heavy or rush hour traffic. And lord knows I've encountered that way too often over the years. Clearly newbies to the whole driving thing bunny hopping away from the lights, if they're lucky, stalling if they're not, while being harassed by other drivers and being near terrified by the experience. I most certainly don't blame the learners for that nonsense, I 100% blame the so called instructors involved. Oh and one of the few NCT fails I've had was because my horn wasn't working(missus!!) and I hadn't noticed, so I'm not exactly one to beep the horn as a general thing.

ShatterAlan

Deleted User wrote: »

You deserve a special place in hell if you beep a learner driver when they've cut out.

The same kind of bollocks who overtakes a funeral cortege tutting and shaking their heads or sighs impatiently at an old woman moving too slowly at the checkout counter.

ShatterAlan

Apoapsis Rex wrote: »

It's training them for the real world of driving! People do get beeped at. I'm doing them a favour. I usually beep a 2nd time just as they re start the car for some extra teaching.

There is one purpose and one purpose only for a car horn and that is to alert someone to danger such as a pedestrian in their own little world crossing the road oblivious to you oncoming or a cyclist driffting into your path as you approach or even someone driving with one of their wheels wobbling around because the lugnuts weren't tightened probably.

It's not to express your impatience, anger or disapproval at someone's mistake.

It's ok to give a quick tap on the horn if someone is daydreaming and didn't notice the light turning from red to green but that's about it. Blasting the horn at a rookie for some petty misdemeanour is a crappy thing to do. The instructor who is probably a better driver than 95% of us is more than qualified to point out the mistake.

ShatterAlan

peasant wrote: »

People who can't drive (yet) have no business being on the road.
Unless they are in a proper instructors car with dual controls, with an instructor who will eventually lend a helping foot if there is no progress being made.

Aren't you allowed to drive a car with L-plates during certain hours, accompanied by a licensed driver and not on motorways if you hold a learner's permit in order to improve your skills?

I would think that the more a learner practises the more proficient they become.

ShatterAlan

peasant wrote: »

As it happens, I did my learning in an instructors car with dual controls and only after I passed my theoretical test...anything else would have been illegal.

As for beeping at learners, I beep at them as much or rather as little as I beep at everybody else. Everybody gets to make a mistake, L plate or not. Sure I make them myself, every now and then.
But my patience does have limits.

Tell me someone who can take lessons WITHOUT having passed the the theory test?

GT89

Wibbs wrote: »

By learning how to operate the car itself to some degree of fluency, not being dropped in at the deep end with bugger all car control in heavy or rush hour traffic. And lord knows I've encountered that way too often over the years. Clearly newbies to the whole driving thing bunny hopping away from the lights, if they're lucky, stalling if they're not, while being harassed by other drivers and being near terrified by the experience. I most certainly don't blame the learners for that nonsense, I 100% blame the so called instructors involved. Oh and one of the few NCT fails I've had was because my horn wasn't working(missus!!) and I hadn't noticed, so I'm not exactly one to beep the horn as a general thing.

I agree there are some instructors who will take you out on the open road way too early particularly on the 12 lessons. I had a guy who was really trying to rush through the 12 lessons when I told I was under confident driving on busy road he started treating me as if I was an eejit. I had never driven before I started my lessons.

My parents would not bring me outside of estates and the like until I was confident. Look even after I built up confidence I still stalled the car. My belief is that you shouldn't be on main roads until after you're somewhat competent using the controls of the car such as clutch, gears, steering etc. Once you've learned this part which I would regard is the easy part of learning to drive then the aim is to get you driving in a safe and proper manner which is the difficult part.

But even once you're an experienced driver you may still cut out. I would say it's not about cutting out it is about how you react to it. A bad driver will panic and cut out again and again whereas a good driver will simply restart the engine in a safe and efficient manner.

This nonsense of people saying learner drivers shouldn't be on the road without a fully qualified instructor until they pass needs to stop. If they are complete beginners yes I would agree they should stick to estates and quiet places for practising but once they have more confidence they absolutely should be on the road once accompanied.

BuboBubo

An arßehole imo.

What's wrong with giving them space, and letting them build confidence? We were all learners once, albeit 30 years ago in my case.

It's very frightening starting out, even more so nowadays with more traffic, more roundabouts etc.

Give them a chance and lay off them. Driving is a life skill which should be encouraged.

ShatterAlan

peasant wrote: »

It might just give them the idea to practice their hillstarts and general clutch control in a quiet area a bit more until they know what they are doing

See how you feel when your kid is called a moron for not grasping the rudiments of trigonometry or laughed at mercilessly for getting conjugation and pronunciation wrong when trying to learn a new language and comes home distraught rather than saying the that treatment spurred him on to do better.

ShatterAlan

peasant wrote: »

Back 40 years ago it cost me over 2000 Deutschmarks and I did it with minimum mandatory lessons.

My first car cost about 2500 if I remember correctly.



You can see, the massive expense still hurts 40 years later.
That's actually the real reason I beep at learner drivers ...cheapskate freeloaders, the lot of them :D:D

40 years and you're still an angry bollocks driving a Trabant instead of a BMW. I feel your pain :pac:

ShatterAlan

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Some people didn’t learn on the road in a car.

A lot of people who grew up on farms would have been driving from a young age and were incredibly confident by the time they got out on the road.

Insanely when a 16 year old can drive a rig capable of nearly 60kmh and unlimited weight, they don’t need much training by the time they can drive a car

Bogger toddlers can operate a Massey-Ferguson or John Deere during baling of silage season before they can even recite the alpabet :pac:

andekwarhola

GT89 wrote: »

So how else are learner drivers supposed to gain experience in order to pass the test?

Driving lessons. Deserted industrial estates. Wherever.

GLaDOS

I went out 4/5 days a week with my dad when I was learning to drive. Getting out regularly and making all those good habits instict are the only way to learn. That's never gonna happen with lessons alone unless you're got money to burn.

I live close to a driving test centre so probably encounter more learners than most. I always think back to when I was an L driver and being grateful for others who were patient with me.

cgcsb

That's driving in this country, you'll have to get used to it, Irish drivers are among Europe's most agressive. Nowhere near as bad as Italy or parts of France but pretty bad for this latitude. I get beeped at for following the rules of the road (observing stop/yield signs, using the correct lane etc.). I find that I get beeped at more often when I'm on a bicycle than when I'm in my car, typically the justification is that the road is too narrow for the driver (typically a taxi driver(scum)) to overtake me. I've also had abuse shouted at me while cycling and I've a proud collection of 2 wing mirrors that I've confiscated from said abusive drivers. Most of them get real quiet when I catch up to them at the lights though when they realise that I'm not what they would describe as a 'posh lad on a bike'. It's WAAAAY worse for female cyclists, who are a target for scummers in skodas. Practice not letting beeping impact your blood pressure.

cgcsb

ShatterAlan wrote: »

Aren't you allowed to drive a car with L-plates during certain hours, accompanied by a licensed driver and not on motorways if you hold a learner's permit in order to improve your skills?

I would think that the more a learner practises the more proficient they become.

I was far better driving on my own without my dad in my ear tbh. Some people are self directed learners, it's a pretty clumbsy rule to be fair.

what about after they stall on two consecutive sets of long-change lights and have built up a massive rack of happy drivers behind them.... :rolleyes:

TylerRyan28

Guarantee you will be the one beeping once you better at driving . Every leaver driver has been beeped at just have to get over it and say hello with your middle finger .

There is plenty of bad drivers out there that make you think how did they even get a license.

alan partridge aha

cgcsb wrote: »

That's driving in this country, you'll have to get used to it, Irish drivers are among Europe's most agressive. Nowhere near as bad as Italy or parts of France but pretty bad for this latitude. I get beeped at for following the rules of the road (observing stop/yield signs, using the correct lane etc.). I find that I get beeped at more often when I'm on a bicycle than when I'm in my car, typically the justification is that the road is too narrow for the driver (typically a taxi driver(scum)) to overtake me. I've also had abuse shouted at me while cycling and I've a proud collection of 2 wing mirrors that I've confiscated from said abusive drivers. Most of them get real quiet when I catch up to them at the lights though when they realise that I'm not what they would describe as a 'posh lad on a bike'. It's WAAAAY worse for female cyclists, who are a target for scummers in skodas. Practice not letting beeping impact your blood pressure.

You'll do that once to often.

cgcsb

alan partridge aha wrote: »

You'll do that once to often.

I was perfectly justified on both occasions.

GT89

andekwarhola wrote: »

Driving lessons. Deserted industrial estates. Wherever.

The test is not in deserted industrial estates. How are you supposed to get used to driving in different conditions if you've only ever driven in a deserted industrial estate. Think about it.

alan partridge aha

cgcsb wrote: »

I was perfectly justified on both occasions.

Perhaps, but a bike is no match for a car.

07Lapierre

cgcsb wrote: »

I was perfectly justified on both occasions.

Morally speaking... i've no doubt you were.
Legally speaking, its criminal damage?

Is a motorist justified damaging a cyclists bicycle if the cyclist broke the law?

Mimon

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Some people didn’t learn on the road in a car.

A lot of people who grew up on farms would have been driving from a young age and were incredibly confident by the time they got out on the road.

Insanely when a 16 year old can drive a rig capable of nearly 60kmh and unlimited weight, they don’t need much training by the time they can drive a car

Doesn't necessarily make them good driver because they learned this way. A lot of the time the opposite is true.

cgcsb

07Lapierre wrote: »

Morally speaking... i've no doubt you were.
Legally speaking, its criminal damage?

Is a motorist justified damaging a cyclists bicycle if the cyclist broke the law?

The person in question didn't just break the law (most people will at some point) but attempted to murder me. We have an unjust society so depending on the courts wouldn't have given me any satisfaction. The wing mirror did though and in a way was probably a better deterrent for future behaviour than any court could administer.

Wibbs

If someone kicked off my wing mirror I'd be hard pressed not to mow them down. They'd most certainly be getting a kicking.

Wibbs

cgcsb wrote: »

That's driving in this country, you'll have to get used to it, Irish drivers are among Europe's most agressive. Nowhere near as bad as Italy or parts of France but pretty bad for this latitude.

Spain, Portugal, England, Germany can be pretty bloody bad too. We're not particularly aggressive in my experience. Smells more than a bit of the usual Irish ego insecurity of "ah sure we're terrible aren't we" ballsology. The stats appear to paint a very different picture.

In 2019, the EU countries with the best road safety records were Sweden and Ireland, while the member states with the worst ones were Romania, Bulgaria and Poland.

Either that or driver aggression is actively good for safety. Not.

I get beeped at for following the rules of the road (observing stop/yield signs, using the correct lane etc.).

I follow the rules of the road, keep to the speed limits too and can't honestly recall the last time I had another motorist blow the horn at me. My car horn stopped working once and I didn't notice until the next NCT. It may have stopped working a day after the previous NCT, I have no clue, but I didn't notice its loss so clearly I don't beep at others too often either. It would be my opinion that if someone is noticing being beeped at as a regular consistent thing, it's less likely to be other road users, it's almost certainly them. I knew a guy like this. Had a bee in his bonnet about being beeped at. Didn't take much notice until he gave me a lift once. He was an appallingly bad driver. Oh he stuck to the rules alright, but sped up and slowed down for no apparent reason and his car control was decidedly under par. But it was everybody else's fault.

mohawk

andekwarhola wrote: »

Driving lessons. Deserted industrial estates. Wherever.

You won’t pick up all the skills you need driving in deserted industrial estates. Couple of examples would be you need to learn to judge when is safe to pull out at a junction or roundabout. You need to learn to deal with other peoples terrible driving, drive in stop start traffic, learn to take off fast when traffic light goes green, correct road and lane positioning.

You learn some great lessons out on the road making errors such as cutting out etc.

AndrewJRenko

Panjandrums wrote: »

I've started beeping at people on phones in congestion areas and drivers on the phone who don't recognize that I've done them a favour by pulling in dispite the obstacle being on their side of the road.

A beep followed by eye contact helps ensure they knew the beep was for them, resulting in them putting their phone down to their lap to check that I'm not a guard.

Ironically, having the phone on their lap is an offence, so the Garda can do them for that anyway.