World Snooker Championship 2021

Pogue eile

Definitely not the same needle that was there between Selby and Bingham last night.

sligeach

This could get ugly.

sligeach

Pogue eile wrote: »

Definitely not the same needle that was there between Selby and Bingham last night.

Give it time.

Pogue eile

Murphy is lucky there is only this frame left, he is all over the place, Selby has broke him.

paulie21

Poor from Murphy have to take every chance your given

Strumms

Surprised at Murphy wanting to risk going into the pack off the missed black with two reds easily available, not thinking straight , not potting great.

charolais0153

Murphy very lucky this is last frame, confidence gone atm

Passenger

charolais0153 wrote: »

Murphy very lucky this is last frame, confidence gone atm

He'll probably benefit most from the overnight break.

Say Your Number

While there is a long way to go, it's hard to look past Selby from here.

Strumms

Fûck, that’s mad, did that drift to the right ?

Arthur Daley

Have to punish this now. Have to

Say Your Number

Such an important frame and good safety being played.

Say Your Number

Great shot by Murphy, given the situation.

sligeach

What must it have been like before the referee had monitored assistance? I watched back then, but I don't remember.

Emperor.

Quickfire question

Why did Murphy underachieve relative to 2005, or is the answer obvious here ?

He looks a little short in the grey matter department I reckon

Passenger

Nice safety play in this fame.

Pogue eile

Arthur Daley wrote: »

All told I'd still back J Higgins over Selby.

Higgins also demolished Selby 2 months ago 6-0. Selby scored something like 23 points.

11-6 in Selby's favour in ranking matches played.

Emperor.

Emperor. wrote: »

Quickfire question

Why did Murphy underachieve relative to 2005, or is the answer obvious here ?

He looks a little short in the grey matter department I reckon

He was an overnight sensation at 22, only Hendry has won WC at a younger age. And he later picked up the UK Championship and Masters, to join select club of triple crown winners. Your latter comment betrays ignorance.

gormdubhgorm

sligeach wrote: »

What must it have been like before the referee had monitored assistance? I watched back then, but I don't remember.

They guessed. A lot of player involvement with the ref and then they just agreed to what was 'close enough'.

Emperor.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

He was an overnight sensation at 22, only Hendry has won at a younger age. And he later picked up the UK Championship and Masters, to join select club of triple crown winners. Your latter comment betrays ignorance.

You reckon he's got a smart shot selection ?

I dunno , looks look he plays straight into Selbys hands

DmanDmythDledge

Thought Murphy would have gone for the double there

corny

The back handed compliments continuously fired at Selby by the BBC commentators is annoying. They're almost annoyed at him for not giving up chances to his opponent. I thought that was the ****ing point of the game!

BorneTobyWilde

Needed a Ronnie blast and hope there. That kiss was the end

gormdubhgorm

I know Murphy's plan here he just wants to wait until he gets 6 frames behind again. Then strike....

sligeach

Houdini wouldn't get out of this situation Murphy faces. 3 snookers, can't see it happening.

BQQ

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Needed a Ronnie blast and hope there. That kiss was the end

Should have Come off the cushion
Any time someone hits a swerve like that they are on the back foot

gormdubhgorm

corny wrote: »

The back handed compliments continuously fired at Selby by the BBC commentators is annoying. They're almost annoyed at him for not giving up chances to his opponent. I thought that was the ****ing point of the game!

Have to laugh at this because a while ago McManus got accused of fawning over Selby by posters.

I think it is getting to the point where the commentator (Dennis) is worried that there won't be close in a few more frames. So they end up half shouting for the fella that is struggling.

sligeach

The end, for tonight.

FR01

Murphy fortunate the session was only nine frames tonight. Selby wins it 7-2 and has won 8 out of the last 11 frames. Murphy needs a fast start tomorrow !

Arthur Daley

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I know Murphy's plan here he just wants to wait until he gets 6 frames behind again. Then strike....

He needs tommorow to be almost as good as yesterday now.

xabi_a

Thank god that's over.

They all talk about Selby's great "matchplay". What's the difference between normal snooker skills and "matchplay"? At the end of the day, you either win a frame or lose it.

Emperor.

xabi_a wrote: »

Thank god that's over.

They all talk about Selby's great "matchplay". What's the difference between normal snooker skills and "matchplay"? At the end of the day, you either win a frame or lose it.

Choice of shot mostly

BQQ

Haha
Ronnie seriously wound up on Eurosport
Love it!

gormdubhgorm

xabi_a wrote: »

Thank god that's over.

They all talk about Selby's great "matchplay". What's the difference between normal snooker skills and "matchplay"? At the end of the day, you either win a frame or lose it.

Nah there is a way of doing it. Tying a fella up when required then go for it.

Remember Selby got a 90 and a 57 in the last four frames. Murphy got nothing of note. It is all about sensing when to go for it and when not to. When the opponent is down or when the opponent is up.

It goes beyond 'normal snooker' pure and utter constant concentration until the opponents rhythm is completely and utterly crushed. So even if the opponent gets a chance they likely miss.

Arthur Daley

Ronnie putting you in the picture alright. Bust the balls open.

FrKurtFahrt

Murphy needs to stop taking himself seriously. All this mannerly and ambassadorial stuff needs to be knocked on the head. I think Selby is the better player, and will win - however, to have any chance, Murphy must go and attack.

Emperor.

FrKurtFahrt wrote: »

Murphy needs to stop taking himself seriously. All this mannerly and ambassadorial stuff needs to be knocked on the head. I think Selby is the better player, and will win - however, to have any chance, Murphy must go and attack.

Lol

Muppet Man

In fairness, ROS has a point. Shaun won't win this playing Selbys game.

AllForIt

BQQ wrote: »

Haha
Ronnie seriously wound up on Eurosport
Love it!

First time I've seen him get passionate. Normally he's just slumped in his chair looking like he doens't want to be there.

I hope Murphy was listening or what Ronnie said is passed on to him because what he said was dead right.

C__MC

When murphy was 2-0 up early doors, he had great chances to make it 3/4-0 respectively. Small margins, I would say its game over now that murphy has to chase it against Selby

corny

xabi_a wrote: »

What's the difference between normal snooker skills and "matchplay"?

Nothing. Great matchplayer and great competitor are just euphemisms. Selby's brilliance at safety play is what's giving him the edge here.

It's like watching Floyd Mayweather. Boring as **** because he gives his opponent nothing to hit.

Augme

Easy to talk about bei g agressige but earlier on when he was agressige he missed and let Selby in to clear up twice as well. He just needs to make better decisions really. Too many of safety shots have simply been poorly executed and he seems to be a bit lazy in his approach to that side of his game.

You can see he has just been ground down by Selby really.

Sandor Clegane

Muppet Man wrote: »

In fairness, ROS has a point. Shaun won't win this playing Selbys game.

Its not that simple, sometimes you have to play the table and matches just go scrappy and awkward.

You're not always going to get the chance to stay in perfect rhythm, you can't really blitz your way through these marathon matches, they ebb and flow.

Emperor.

Sandor Clegane wrote: »

Its not that simple, sometimes you have to play the table and matches just go scrappy and awkward.

You're not always going to get the chance to stay in perfect rhythm, you can't really blitz your way through these marathon matches, they ebb and flow.

The evidence is that Ronnie O'Sullivan type players have to adapt their game again the likes of Selby

gormdubhgorm

corny wrote: »

Nothing. Great matchplayer and great competitor are just euphemisms. Selby's brilliance at safety play is what's giving him the edge here.

It's like watching Floyd Mayweather. Boring as **** because he gives his opponent nothing to hit.

I don't agree with this at all. Normal snooker is people just playing the frame and the table.

A good match play fella plays the table and the opponent. And keeps at it as much as they can. No loose shots. Everything calculated based on what the player think their strengths and the opponents weakness are. Plus I don't think it is boring at all. I watch to see how Selby works the angles does he get it tight to rail each time? Has he covered the easy escape. Is Murphy looking flustered? Etc.

Example of two contrasting players with differing success.

Lisowski plays snooker.
Selby plays matchplay snooker.

Massive difference.

Arguably Lisowski is the better snooker player, but miles behind on match play.

B2021M

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I don't agree with this at all. Normal snooker is people just playing the frame and the table.

A good match play fella plays the table and the opponent. And keeps at it as much as they can. No loose shots. Everything calculated based on what the player think their strengths and the opponents weakness are. Plus I don't think it is boring at all. I watch to see how Selby works the angles does he get it tight to rail each time? Has he covered the easy escape. Is Murphy looking flustered? Etc.

Example of two contrasting players with differing success.

Lisowski plays snooker.
Selby plays matchplay snooker.

Massive difference.

Arguably Lisowski is the better snooker player, but miles behind on match play.

Yes! Will be interesting to see but i dont expect to see Lisowski winning a world title any time soon (or ever!)

gormdubhgorm

B2021M wrote: »

Yes! Will be interesting to see but i dont expect to see Lisowski winning a world title any time soon (or ever!)

That is why he started the commentary I feel.

There was a bit where that Radzi fella was interviewing commentators asked Lisowski before the final.

'What would it me to you Jack if you ever got to a world final?'

Lisowski: (little laugh) 'Everything'

He said it real forlornly because he knows he does not have the full snooker game to do it. Very talented at just playing snooker, but has no notion of even coming close to the likes of Selby and his snooker matchplay.

raclle

AllForIt wrote: »

I hope Murphy was listening or what Ronnie said is passed on to him because what he said was dead right.

I also agree with Ronnie's comments. Do ya reckon players watch these discussions and maybe heed some advice from it? Being out there I can only imagine how easy it is to get sucked into Selby's game

B2021M

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

That is why he started the commentary I feel.

There was a bit where that Radzi fella was interviewing commentators asked Lisowski before the final.

'What would it me to you Jack if you ever got to a world final?'

Lisowski: (little laugh) 'Everything'

He said it real forlornly because he knows he does not have the full snooker game to do it. Very talented at just playing snooker, but has no notion of even coming close to the likes of Selby and his snooker matchplay.

That's interesting! Im really not sure he should be doing commentary...he has never won a ranking event?

Rothko

BQQ wrote: »

Haha
Ronnie seriously wound up on Eurosport
Love it!

What did he say?