World Snooker Championship 2021

walshb

Was it Hendry who said the other day that once a frame goes to snookers needed it should end?

Which is absolutely absurd..

Arthur Daley

Good man Sean

dobman88

Choochtown wrote: »

As in Selby is 27 behind with 22 on the table. If he snookers Shaun then it is in Shaun's interest to only concede 4 points (and no more) so in theory could a miss be called?

No, he cant put the ball back because he needed a snooker. And got it. But as you saw, he can put Mark back in to play from where the ball finishes.

He can only put the ball back when there are no smokers required.

sligeach

Every single time Shaun leaves a red on from his break-off. That's something he definitely needs to work on.

Strumms

Selby won’t be too worried yet, two frame lead is a nice cushion at this stage.

Murphy is leaving a red at practically every break of his.

Choochtown

Choochtown wrote: »

Does that rule have any exceptions? If Shaun just loses 4 points here through a snooker he will still win the frame.

Not sure what your question is..

When a player fouls - but no miss is called; the other player can make him play from "where the white ends up only"

When a miss is called, the player can make his opponent retake the "same" shot, or from where the white ends up...

A miss can't be called if your opponent already (regardless of whether it's 1, 11 , or 27) needs 'foul' points , and you fail to escape from a snooker.

There might be exceptions, but not many, and referees would know them..

Strumms

Jeez great pot but the cannon on the brown, Selby really has had most of the luck

walshb

Deleted User wrote: »

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There might be exceptions, but not many, and referees would know them..

That’s exactly what the poster asked!

Choochtown

Choochtown wrote: »

As in Selby is 27 behind with 22 on the table. If he snookers Shaun then it is in Shaun's interest to only concede 4 points (and no more) so in theory could a miss be called?

Not so.. It's in his interest in that situation to only concede 4 points ie if he can't hit the brown; to keep well away from the higher value colours

EDIT: the way the rules work; if the opponent needs foul points, then a miss can't be called... So, a 'tactical' miss would be advised :pac: Ref wouldn't call a miss

Choochtown

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Not so.. It's in his interest in that situation to only concede 4 points ie if he can't hit the brown; to keep well away from the higher value colours

In which case the referee should call a "miss"??

Or is it in the rules that no miss can be called?

That's my question.

Answered in Leffesem's edit. Thanks!

begbysback

Mc manus on the ball there, stoic Selby

sligeach

WTF was that Shaun? ####### awful!

Augme

Such a sloppy lazy safety from Shaun. Typical of him really and that's always been his problem.

Strumms

Yeah, that shot was amateur hour.

begbysback

Both players looking twitchy this frame

sligeach

I've seen some people say Shaun's not the brightest with his shot selection. After that I can well believe it.

Choochtown

Choochtown wrote: »

In which case the referee should call a "miss"??

Or is it in the rules that no miss can be called?

That's my question.

no miss can be called - them's the rules...

Unless it's some 'exigent circumstances' type stuff; the rules of which most snooker fans wouldn't know... I presume you might mean a 'blatant' "non effort" type shot... As a rule, and according to the rules; when your oppononent needs foul points, and you give them away, then a miss cannot be called....

Others may know more

gormdubhgorm

Deserved frame from Selby showcasing potting, safety, matchplay, break building - the whole shebang.

Augme

Almost identical to yesterday, Selby playing poorly and eeks session all level. An air of inevitable about all of this really.

Mark - that's the only answer to your upcoming question Hazel : "Which of the two will be happier at the mid session interval"

rolling boh

Selby must be long odds on to win shaun just can't win a couple in a row .

gormdubhgorm

Strumms wrote: »

Yeah, that shot was amateur hour.

sligeach wrote: »

I've seen some people say Shaun's not the brightest with his shot selection. After that I can well believe it.

sligeach wrote: »

WTF was that Shaun? ####### awful!

Augme wrote: »

Such a sloppy lazy safety from Shaun. Typical of him really and that's always been his problem.

Wouldn't you think practising with the likes of Fergal and Ken would help him 'see' the safety shots?
Or do you either have it or you don't?

gormdubhgorm

Murphy's wife Elaine speaks very well. Well clued in.

begbysback

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Murphy's wife Elaine speaks very well. Well clued in.

Does Murphy live in Dublin?

pimpmyhat

I'm up for Murphy but God the bias is unbelievable on bbc

gormdubhgorm

begbysback wrote: »

Does Murphy live in Dublin?

Yeah, Balinteer.

Xander10

begbysback wrote: »

Does Murphy live in Dublin?

Yes

He's one of our own ...he's one of our own.....

gormdubhgorm

pimpmyhat wrote: »

I'm up for Murphy but God the bias is unbelievable on bbc

Ah they might have Vicki Selby on yet especially for Dennis Taylor....

sligeach

Shaun should be watching this section on BBC, "Art of the break-off".

gormdubhgorm

Xander10 wrote: »

Yes

He's one of our own ...he's one of our own.....

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=117058678&postcount=2050

Independent article from 2020

'Nobody knows who Shaun Murphy really is. He's still finding out, too. He remembers a few years ago driving around a roundabout in Kilcock on speakerphone to his uncle.

"My relations' old farmstead was on that exact spot in the last century," he smiles. He always knew there was some Irish in him, apart from the name.

His mother's lot hail from Donabate in north Co Dublin, his father's from Kilcock in Co Kildare.

"My passport says I'm British and I'm obviously English but I feel as Irish as anyone. It was made out very clearly we had Irish heritage.

"My grandfather may well have been involved in certain activities which may have been why he was shipped over to Manchester…"

begbysback

Xander10 wrote: »

Yes

He's one of our own ...he's one of our own.....

Is he not English?

begbysback

How come we never wrapped him in the tricolour after his first world title?

kegg

begbysback wrote: »

How come we never wrapped him in the tricolour after his first world title?

Just claiming him. Living in Dublin since 2018.

sligeach

fran38 wrote: »

I like Trump's delivery in the comms box. Very relaxed manner. However, I'd still prefer Hendry or Ken in there on finals day The old reliables like Virgo and Taylors day has come and gone I feel.

Taylor's in the commentary box now. Spare a thought for the likes of Joe Perry and Rob Walker who'll never get a chance in the final. :P

begbysback

Murphy taking shots too quickly, needs to compose himself here or he loses the next 4 before the interval

~Rebel~

begbysback wrote: »

Is he not English?

English born, Irish lineage, married to an Irish lass, and lives in Ireland.

Definitely English, but with enough Irish in and around him to give him a pretty solid connection.

begbysback

Well it seems like he’d qualify for a jack charlton team, so that’s good enough for me.

sligeach

Probably wrong shot selection again from Shaun.

And he's breaking off in the next frame.

Passenger

Selby's really starting to pull away from Murphy now.

gormdubhgorm

Murphy has lost zip. Don't know how he lifts it from here.

weemcd

Writing on the wall here I dare say.

I never thought I'd be rooting for Murphy but I get zero enjoyment from watching Selby.

I'd predict a quick finish tonight the way it's going, well as quick as a game of snooker featuring Mark Selby can realistically be...

Say Your Number

begbysback wrote: »

Well it seems like he’d qualify for a jack charlton team, so that’s good enough for me.

Playing a fella, who plays Snooker probably the same way Jack Charlton would.

sligeach

How haven't any of the commentators not picked up on Shaun's garbage break-offs?

hawaii501

Keeps giving Selby shots off his break as well.

He got very lucky Selby missed. Think this frame is huge for the context of the match, Murphy has to win it

gormdubhgorm

sligeach wrote: »

How haven't any of the commentators not picked up on Shaun's garbage break-offs?

He is going that badly with them he would be better off doing a 'Williams'.

Say Your Number

Murphy has to kill this in one visit.

gormdubhgorm

Say Your Number wrote: »

Murphy has to kill this in one visit.

Murphy needs another two frames in a row after this I feel, to put a bit of pressure on Selby.

I noticed Selby gave a raised eyebrow there....

Xander10

a little run of frame for Murphy would set up a nice finish

Strumms

hawaii501 wrote: »

Keeps giving Selby shots off his break as well.

He got very lucky Selby missed. Think this frame is huge for the context of the match, Murphy has to win it

Every single break, it’s mad.

Brilliant long red.

sligeach

Cracker of a long red.