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FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3 - Threadbanned User List in OP

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    #512
    McMurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Shur, the taxpayer paid for Murphy’s “free” Legal Aid over the Jobstown incident. Tis a great country.

    The case was taken by the authorities.

    Murphy v The State?

    Murphy won his case, so no matter if he had free legal aid, or a hotshot lawyer charging hundreds of thousands, wouldn't the tax payer have been on the hook regardless?


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    #513
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users Posts: 7,363 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    Glad to see SF and Murphy in govt here dictating policy.
    Oh wait....

    They are objecting to everyone paying their fair share.

    They want only the tax payers to pay for everyone else's water.


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    #514
    McMurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    They are objecting to everyone paying their fair share.

    They want only the tax payers to pay for everyone else's water.

    Just announced on Newstalk 10am news. Eamon Ryan has ruled water charges out.....gonna be some very disgruntled green voters on here later...


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    #515
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,783 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    They are objecting to everyone paying their fair share.

    They want only the tax payers to pay for everyone else's water.

    They're not in govt. Get onto your local FFG TD and tell them you want water charges reintroduced.

    Will you come back and let us know how you got on?


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    #516
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users Posts: 7,363 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    They're not in govt. Get onto your local FFG TD and tell them you want water charges reintroduced.

    Will you come back and let us know how you got on?

    Are charges not coming back in a different model?


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    #517
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,783 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Are charges not coming back in a different model?

    You tell me. FFG have ruled them out according to CB live just now.


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    #518
    meeeeh
    Registered Users Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    You tell me. FFG have ruled them out according to CB live just now.

    If you are paying taxes you are paying for water charges. If you are not then I can see how you wouldn't want to make it fairer for everyone.

    Water charges are toxic and no sane government would introduce them but they are toxic because some cared more about their political gain than fairness.


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    #519
    Floppybits
    Registered Users Posts: 7,640 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    The Taoiseach has spoken water charges are not coming back

    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1392050804006211585


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    #520
    Floppybits
    Registered Users Posts: 7,640 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    The Truth Hurts wrote: »
    you saying FG and Labour were not sane in Government when they tried to introduce them?

    For me FG and Labour went about introducing the water charges all wrong and just made a complete and utter balls of the whole thing. So much so that no government in this country will go next to near it for a couple of decades.


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    #521
    meeeeh
    Registered Users Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    The Truth Hurts wrote: »
    you saying FG and Labour were not sane in Government when they tried to introduce them?

    No I'm saying backlash by we want everything for free crowd was so big that it poisoned water charges for at least a generation. Yes the protestors 'won' but in the end it will be less fair and worse for the environment. That's what happens when populism wins.


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    #522
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    I really wish the current rents and housing prices were as toxic as 20 euro a month water charges are.


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    #523
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,783 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    meeeeh wrote: »
    If you are paying taxes you are paying for water charges. If you are not then I can see how you wouldn't want to make it fairer for everyone.

    Water charges are toxic and no sane government would introduce them but they are toxic because some cared more about their political gain than fairness.


    A referendum that they wouldn't be privatised might sway me. Until then I wouldn't trust them an inch.


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    #524
    Floppybits
    Registered Users Posts: 7,640 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    A referendum that they wouldn't be privatised might sway me. Until then I wouldn't trust them an inch.

    This is the thing I would say for most people, me included. I don't trust them not to sell off the water infrastructure to some private company. For me this would have been the main sticking point with the water charges. I don't mind paying for it but as we have seen with housing and how the private companies operate their is no way I would support the water infrastructure being sold off to a private company.


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    #525
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,769 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I am sure that all of those who have criticised the government for not following exactly all of the advice from the experts in NPHET will be on shortly to criticise the government for not following all of the advice from the experts in the OECD and will urge them to introduce water charges.

    I will certainly be pushing my local Green TD to raise the issue of water charges in the context of the next budget. They are badly needed from an environmental point of view as the OECD have said.


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    #526
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users Posts: 16,362 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    blanch152 wrote: »

    I will certainly be pushing my local Green TD to raise the issue of water charges in the context of the next budget.

    In direct defiance of their party leader? Good luck with that...


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    #527
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    blanch152 wrote: »
    I am sure that all of those who have criticised the government for not following exactly all of the advice from the experts in NPHET will be on shortly to criticise the government for not following all of the advice from the experts in the OECD and will urge them to introduce water charges.

    I will certainly be pushing my local Green TD to raise the issue of water charges in the context of the next budget. They are badly needed from an environmental point of view as the OECD have said.

    I might be mistaken here, but don’t we already pay for water in the motor tax? Seems a bit unfair to be paying for something twice.


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    #528
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,769 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    In direct defiance of their party leader? Good luck with that...

    Don't ever mind being a lone voice in the wilderness, especially when I am certain I am calling for the right thing.


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    #529
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,783 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Don't ever mind being a lone voice in the wilderness, especially when I am certain I am calling for the right thing.


    Good on you.


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    #530
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,766 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The core issues that were prevalent at the last election beginning to resurface with no resolution and no belief in the electorate that the current government have the solutions.

    https://twitter.com/SocDems/status/1391879154979819524/photo/1


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    #531
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    howwatermelon wrote: »
    I might be mistaken here, but don’t we already pay for water in the motor tax? Seems a bit unfair to be paying for something twice.

    No, it comes out of general taxation.


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    #532
    CarProblem
    Registered Users Posts: 411 ✭✭CarProblem


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    They are objecting to everyone paying their fair share.

    They want only the tax payers to pay for everyone else's water.

    And successive governments, all including either or both of FF/FG, agreed with them.
    howwatermelon wrote: »
    I might be mistaken here, but don’t we already pay for water in the motor tax? Seems a bit unfair to be paying for something twice.

    Strangely nobody makes that argument in relation to other charges where we effectively also "pay twice"


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    #533
    Stovepipe
    Registered Users Posts: 2,979 ✭✭✭Stovepipe


    We pay for our water via road taxes and some development levies. This is fact. Part of your motor tax(cash cow) is siphoned off to go directly to the road fund and has been for at least a decade. Councils get to keep some of it instead of having to remit it all to central Government. It saves them having to deal with 32 entities with regard to water treatment. Some of our road taxes actually go on keeping local roads fixed and the same applies to water works.


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    #534
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,769 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    CarProblem wrote: »
    And successive governments, all including either or both of FF/FG, agreed with them.



    Strangely nobody makes that argument in relation to other charges where we effectively also "pay twice"

    We pay twice with VAT, we have already paid tax on our income, we pay twice with CAT as we have already paid tax on the income buying the asset, we pay twice for passports, for driving licences, for dog licences, for TV licences (we do see it argued for that one), we pay twice for car tax, we pay twice for stamp duty on houses etc. etc.


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    #535
    timmyntc
    Registered Users Posts: 7,038 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    CarProblem wrote: »
    And successive governments, all including either or both of FF/FG, agreed with them.



    Strangely nobody makes that argument in relation to other charges where we effectively also "pay twice"

    Opposition from water charges comes from 2 fronts:
    1 - dont want to pay for water, should be free etc (cant pay wont pay)
    2 - dont want public water to be privatised. Believe it should be totally state/public owned

    You'd be doing well to find many people who dont fit into 1 of the 2 categories. But its not a case of everyone wanting it for "free" or wanting others to pay for it.


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    #536
    Stovepipe
    Registered Users Posts: 2,979 ✭✭✭Stovepipe


    Micheal Martin wont introduce water charges because he simply doesnt have to. If you drive a car in this country, you already pay water tax. As for VRT, this has already been challenged by Europe and the State pays a fine rather than do without VRT. The EU will prevail and VRT will be ended. Problem is, the advent of more EVs means that they will have to find an alternative tax when they reduce the consumption of diesel and petrol, so EV owners will get hit by a levy or some kind of tax,probably at the charging point when they plug in, either at home or outside. It wouldn't surprise me if the price of charging your car at a petrol station rose dramatically once the tipping point of EV vehicle numbers is reached. If the Govt adopt everything in this OECD report, it's a taxing charter.


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    #537
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,769 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    timmyntc wrote: »
    Opposition from water charges comes from 2 fronts:
    1 - dont want to pay for water, should be free etc (cant pay wont pay)
    2 - dont want public water to be privatised. Believe it should be totally state/public owned

    You'd be doing well to find many people who dont fit into 1 of the 2 categories. But its not a case of everyone wanting it for "free" or wanting others to pay for it.

    Number 2 is a complete red herring.


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    #538
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,766 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The Truth Hurts wrote: »
    They will try not respond to this and keep talking about water charges (which the Govt have stated they are against and wont be happening)

    The poor lad from FG was near going to burst into tears getting torn to shreds by members of the public.

    Yes...the doorsteps beckon. Not looking good tbh.


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    #539
    timmyntc
    Registered Users Posts: 7,038 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Number 2 is a complete red herring.

    Says who? Blanch?

    Almost as if you just want it to be a red herring, so you can keep on mudslinging at people who dont support water charges as being freeloaders etc


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    #540
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,769 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    timmyntc wrote: »
    Says who? Blanch?

    Almost as if you just want it to be a red herring, so you can keep on mudslinging at people who dont support water charges as being freeloaders etc

    There was never a chance of Irish Water being privatised.

    The "gotcha" moment of one line in one letter in a mountain of documentation was based on a misunderstanding.


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    #541
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,783 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    blanch152 wrote: »
    There was never a chance of Irish Water being privatised.

    The "gotcha" moment of one line in one letter in a mountain of documentation was based on a misunderstanding.


    Shure Noonan only invited the vultures in to help us out.
    Now FFG can't run far away from them.


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