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FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3 - Threadbanned User List in OP

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    #842
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users Posts: 9,194 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Marine Layer wrote: »
    Oh I doubt that
    No instability and too many important things to be done after we are all vaccinated

    Don't get me wrong, I want this dysfunctional government to last as long as possible. I love that FF and FG are in coalition and will be clearly identified as 2 sides of the same coin. However the chickens are coming home to roost.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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    #843
    McMurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Marine Layer wrote: »
    General election isn't untill 2025
    Thats 4 years away almost

    So almost 4 X times the calamities of the last year? Buckle up and enjoy the show boys and girls.


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    #844
    Murph85
    Registered Users Posts: 1,068 ✭✭✭Murph85


    skimpydoo wrote: »
    For once I agree with Regina Doherty.

    https://twitter.com/ReginaDo/status/1396890000424415238?s=20

    A subsidy for scrotes to have sex... I agree with him. Scrap it, cant afford kids, dont have them. Dont expect me or you to pay for them... pay welfare based on what you paid in, if you lose your job...


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    #845
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users Posts: 29,328 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Murph85 wrote:
    A subsidy for scrotes to have sex... I agree with him. Scrap it, cant afford kids, dont have them. Dont expect me or you to pay for them... pay welfare based on what you paid in, if you lose your job...

    So if they do continue to have kids, what then?

    Again, most welfare money ends up going straight back into the economy, increasing economic activities, by reducing welfare payments, this in return reduces these activities


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    #846
    UDAWINNER
    Registered Users Posts: 860 ✭✭✭UDAWINNER


    https://twitter.com/JoeEDwyer/status/1397136314852691969


    Sums up Fine Gael well, plead ignorance on British Massacres but appear very knowledgeable on the IRA.
    Patrick O'Donovan is a class example thinking the Ira was responsible for the Dublin/Monaghan Bombing, we vote in the smartest:D


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    #847
    Floppybits
    Registered Users Posts: 7,643 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    UDAWINNER wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/JoeEDwyer/status/1397136314852691969


    Sums up Fine Gael well, plead ignorance on British Massacres but appear very knowledgeable on the IRA.
    Patrick O'Donovan is a class example thinking the Ira was responsible for the Dublin/Monaghan Bombing, we vote in the smartest:D

    We were told that paying higher wages to politicians to attract a wider variety of people and better politicians, all it seems to gave got us is more village idiots and more TD's whose daddy, grand daddy etc were politicians. Sean Haughty I'm looking at you.


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    #848
    BASHIR
    Registered Users Posts: 553 ✭✭✭BASHIR


    Murph85 wrote: »
    A subsidy for scrotes to have sex... I agree with him. Scrap it, cant afford kids, dont have them. Dont expect me or you to pay for them... pay welfare based on what you paid in, if you lose your job...

    Have you read what he said?


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    #849
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Murph85 wrote: »
    A subsidy for scrotes to have sex... I agree with him. Scrap it, cant afford kids, dont have them. Dont expect me or you to pay for them... pay welfare based on what you paid in, if you lose your job...

    Think you've got it arse about face

    https://m.independent.ie/news/paying-child-benefit-to-all-parents-is-a-subsidy-for-them-to-have-sex-fine-gael-councillor-40462322.html


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    #850
    Shebean
    Registered Users Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Shebean


    When banks or business are against the wall the tax payer is expected to take the hit. Even well to do individuals and couples can have millions written off.
    But when a person loses their job and needs welfare or other supports they are 'scrotes' gaming the system, pretending.
    I'd rather help out someone struggling to get by than some dodgy business, bank or RTE presenter behind on their multimillion mortgage.


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    #851
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    Shebean wrote: »
    When banks or business are against the wall the tax payer is expected to take the hit. Even well to do individuals and couples can have millions written off.
    But when a person loses their job and needs welfare or other supports they are 'scrotes' gaming the system, pretending.
    I'd rather help out someone struggling to get by than some dodgy business, bank or RTE presenter behind on their multimillion mortgage.

    The people who lose their job and need welfare aren't the ones people are talking about when they say some are gaming the system.


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    #852
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,784 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    RandomViewer wrote: »
    Think you've got it arse about face

    https://m.independent.ie/news/paying-child-benefit-to-all-parents-is-a-subsidy-for-them-to-have-sex-fine-gael-councillor-40462322.html

    Well FG have distanced themselves from him and his comments now according to Sean Defoe.


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    #853
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    Well FG have distanced themselves from him and his comments now according to Sean Defoe.

    I keep thinking these guys watched Rik Mayall in The New Statesman and thought it was a documentary


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    #854
    Shebean
    Registered Users Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Shebean


    AlmightyCushion wrote: »
    The people who lose their job and need welfare aren't the ones people are talking about when they say some are gaming the system.

    How many of the 4/5% unemployed, (pre covid) are we talking about? If we subtract the sick, part time and low income earners, how many are gaming or pretending do you reckon? It's a bogeyman tale.


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    #855
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    Shebean wrote: »
    How many of the 4/5% unemployed, (pre covid) are we talking about? If we subtract the sick, part time and low income earners, how many are gaming or pretending do you reckon? It's a bogeyman tale.

    No idea to be honest but the sick, part time and low income earners aren't included in the unemployment rate anyway. It does happen though.


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    #856
    Shebean
    Registered Users Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Shebean


    AlmightyCushion wrote: »
    No idea to be honest but the sick, part time and low income earners aren't included in the unemployment rate anyway. It does happen though.



    If you work three days or less or had your hours reduced to that you could be eligible for Job seekers allowance. I would have thought if you received unemployment assistance you were included in any unemployment figures but I know the government like to play with numbers.


    Either way if we don't know how much of the 5 or 4 % we are talking about it's difficult to give much credence to the 'scrote' elements impact on the economy. It's often used to excuse poor or crony policy.


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    #857
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    Shebean wrote: »
    If you work three days or less or had your hours reduced to that you could be eligible for Job seekers allowance. I would have thought if you received unemployment assistance you were included in any unemployment figures but I know the government like to play with numbers.


    Either way if we don't know how much of the 5 or 4 % we are talking about it's difficult to give much credence to the 'scrote' elements impact on the economy. It's often used to excuse poor or crony policy.

    They are considered casual workers and don't count towards the unemployment rate.

    Yes we don't know how much are gaming the system but the same can be said of the businesses and individuals you describe in your post. So, why do the people gaming the welfare system not get much credence but the companies and individuals getting bailed out you describe do?


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    #858
    Murph85
    Registered Users Posts: 1,068 ✭✭✭Murph85


    AlmightyCushion wrote: »
    They are considered casual workers and don't count towards the unemployment rate.

    Yes we don't know how much are gaming the system but the same can be said of the businesses and individuals you describe in your post. So, why do the people gaming the welfare system not get much credence but the companies and individuals getting bailed out you describe do?

    Because at least they actually are working...


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    #859
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,076 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    Murph85 wrote: »
    Because at least they actually are working...

    I don't get you. How are the unemployed working? By definition they aren't working. Even if they are working, how is it ok to game the welfare system?


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    #860
    Shebean
    Registered Users Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Shebean


    AlmightyCushion wrote: »
    They are considered casual workers and don't count towards the unemployment rate.

    Yes we don't know how much are gaming the system but the same can be said of the businesses and individuals you describe in your post. So, why do the people gaming the welfare system not get much credence but the companies and individuals getting bailed out you describe do?



    People not earning enough to be self sufficient, getting job seeker allowance aren't listed? Fair enough.


    I mentioned gaming as part of the story that generally goes towards people on welfare being 'scrotes' as someone said. I was pointing out that we don't know how many are gaming or taking advantage so we can't put much weight or blame on these mystery people. They are anecdotal.
    I can point to 41.7 billion in bailouts/generational debt and Teresa Lowe, not that that's all down to gaming but for all the crony appointments, fraud and waste we do know of, it's tough to take people throwing up 'scrotes' on welfare as a major cause.


    We just had SD and SF try and fail to block new housing in Finglas. No doubt we'll have people on posting about NIMBYISM and hypocrites as I've been reading. While FF patted those who got it through on the back thanking them for their work, but if you look as to why SF and the SD's objected it's because 60% will be private, 20% for social and 20% for affordable, on public land and the project will take ten years, too long in their opinion.


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    #861
    Floppybits
    Registered Users Posts: 7,643 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Shebean wrote: »
    We just had SD and SF try and fail to block new housing in Finglas. No doubt we'll have people on posting about NIMBYISM and hypocrites as I've been reading. While FF patted those who got it through on the back thanking them for their work, but if you look as to why SF and the SD's objected it's because 60% will be private, 20% for social and 20% for affordable, on public land and the project will take ten years, too long in their opinion.

    This is the stick that FG and FF use all the time to beat anyone with who oppose housing and usually the reason for opposing the planning is that it usually involves the land being handed over to the developer as we saw in the opposition to the housing planned in Coolock/Santry. When this happens you have FF and FG as usual saying SF or SD are opposing housing when really they are opposing the giving away of land to developers. I don't think opposing planning because they are giving away land is NIMBYISM but FG especially love to throw that out there as it deflects for the absolute shambles they have made of housing. The housing issue and what we are seeing now is 100% FG fault.

    Yes housing is major issue but that doesn't mean that we just hand over large tracts of land to developers for little or nothing and then they go and sell all the housing stock to vulture funds.


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    #862
    Billcarson
    Registered Users Posts: 1,548 ✭✭✭Billcarson


    Floppybits wrote: »
    This is the stick that FG and FF use all the time to beat anyone with who oppose housing and usually the reason for opposing the planning is that it usually involves the land being handed over to the developer as we saw in the opposition to the housing planned in Coolock/Santry. When this happens you have FF and FG as usual saying SF or SD are opposing housing when really they are opposing the giving away of land to developers. I don't think opposing planning because they are giving away land is NIMBYISM but FG especially love to throw that out there as it deflects for the absolute shambles they have made of housing. The housing issue and what we are seeing now is 100% FG fault.

    Yes housing is major issue but that doesn't mean that we just hand over large tracts of land to developers for little or nothing and then they go and sell all the housing stock to vulture funds.

    Hopefully the voters won't be fooled by the Fg ff spin regarding this kind of carry on.


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    #863
    Floppybits
    Registered Users Posts: 7,643 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    Billcarson wrote: »
    Hopefully the voters won't be fooled by the Fg ff spin regarding this kind of carry on.

    The problem is that people are desperate to get housing and when they hear that FG or SD or someone is objecting to the planning permissions for housing then people get mad at them and ask why are blocking this. It may not be because they don't want certain housing in there area but more likely it is trying to stop public land being given away for peanuts.


    I can see us ending up in a situation like we did in the housing boom where developers where building houses everywhere and when people bought the houses they found a myrid of problems or as is the case with a lot of them they can't get insurance.


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    #864
    Billcarson
    Registered Users Posts: 1,548 ✭✭✭Billcarson


    Floppybits wrote: »
    The problem is that people are desperate to get housing and when they hear that FG or SD or someone is objecting to the planning permissions for housing then people get mad at them and ask why are blocking this. It may not be because they don't want certain housing in there area but more likely it is trying to stop public land being given away for peanuts.


    I can see us ending up in a situation like we did in the housing boom where developers where building houses everywhere and when people bought the houses they found a myrid of problems or as is the case with a lot of them they can't get insurance.

    .........and houses being built everywhere and no proper planning or foresight,lack of infrastructure etc


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    #865
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,776 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Fair play to the government and opposition on this.
    It is important that countries with our history are seen to stand up on issues like this.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/israel-criticises-ireland-for-dail-vote-5449365-May2021/?utm_source=twitter_short


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    #866
    Finty Lemon
    Registered Users Posts: 1,512 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    Solid performance from Michael Martin this evening.
    Fells like a sensible pace of change.


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    #867
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,784 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    Let's hope now the momentum is kept up and we get back some sense of normality. Morale is good today all round.


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    #868
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Don't know if it was RTE or McConnalogue that put the picture of Bad Eddie behind him, strange choice


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    #869
    Calhoun
    Registered Users Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    Another growing mini-crisis coming for FF as we move to our outside summer. https://www.thejournal.ie/bins-toilets-dublin-city-centre-5453186-May2021/ with the comments from DCC basically saying they cannot add anymore facilities as it encourages congregating this can and will have an impact on the plans on business.

    If i was Darragh right now id be giving Cóilín O'Reilly a bollocking, what was a story about people not respecting guidelines has not turned back on the local council not providing decent supports.


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    #870
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,789 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Shebean wrote: »

    We just had SD and SF try and fail to block new housing in Finglas. No doubt we'll have people on posting about NIMBYISM and hypocrites as I've been reading. While FF patted those who got it through on the back thanking them for their work, but if you look as to why SF and the SD's objected it's because 60% will be private, 20% for social and 20% for affordable, on public land and the project will take ten years, too long in their opinion.


    We have had Eoin O'Broin and others celebrating on Twitter when planning permission for more housing gets turned down. Why? Because he is playing politics with the issue. He has zero interest in housing for people.


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    #871
    [Deleted User]
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    blanch152 wrote: »
    We have had Eoin O'Broin and others celebrating on Twitter when planning permission for more housing gets turned down. Why? Because he is playing politics with the issue. He has zero interest in housing for people.

    It's just gifting land to developers to make a killing, more cronyism


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