FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3 - Threadbanned User List in OP

Irelandsnumberone

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-40919009.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Keep them coming lads whats the problem

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119341076#Comment_119341076

Whatever...such babies.

The real winner is Corruption, Cronyism, Waste etc

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119341088#Comment_119341088

Are you saying we should stop taking in Ukrainian refugees?

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119341088#Comment_119341088

More army barracks to be used, can't be sure does he have any Army barracks in his constituency 🤔

jmcc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119340605#Comment_119340605

According to the current polling, SF is moving towards winning a majority. A merged FF and FG party may stop that. What made the 2020 GE unusual was the number of votes that SF won. Had it the number of candidates to match those votes, it would have won many more seats and the current Dail landscape would look very different. Instead, SF transfers ended up getting many non-SF TDs elected including Greens and SocDems.

In a future GE and with the SF votes holding up or even increasing, the number of SF TDs would be higher than the current number of SF TDs. Consequently, other current non-SF TDs would lose their seats as crucial SF transfers disappear. This effect was visible in 2016 with Labour when the FF and FG transfers on which its candidates depended disappeared along with Labour TDs.

SF is moving towards the percentage necessary to win a majority though those polling percentages can change closer to election time. That does not mean that SF cannot win a majority. There's also your assumption that there will be a GE in 2025 when there are already serious doubts about the viability of the current government with FF members meeting to plan to remove Martin and voicing their concerns about how FG has stomped all over FF. The phrases used to in the meeting might upset your delicate FG sensibilities so I will not repeat them.

SF got the largest number of votes in the 2020 GE. It also ended up with more TDs than FG (37 seats to FG's 35) and almost equal to FF's number of TDs (38). None of the parties "won" the GE and none came close to a majority. You don't know that there will be a GE in 2025. You won't know until after the next GE how many seats SF will have won. On the current polling, SF is moving towards the level of support necessary to win a majority of seats in a GE. That is obviously a problem for FF and FG as the latest poll shows a loss of 7% in support for FFG. Since you are the one talking about odds, how many seats would FG win on 18%?

Regards...jmcc

Suckit

IS this another example of the Government getting things unbelievably wrong?

From a couple of weeks ago, I am sure many remember -

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/angry-scenes-in-dail-as-minister-accuses-td-of-wanting-to-put-cap-on-number-of-ukrainian-refugees-41779501.html

Housing Minister Darragh O’Brien claimed the points of Independent TD Carol Nolan could “pose a risk to social cohesion”.

He said: “We will take in as many Ukrainian citizens fleeing the brutal war foisted upon them through no fault of their own as we must. We will not introduce any caps in that regard.”

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“What she is effectively calling for is a cap on immigration and asylum seekers in this country. Let us be clear. I am calling that out. That is what she is calling for.

“We will not support that. We will not support a cap on Ukrainians coming here having fled a war foisted upon them through no fault of their own.”

It posed challenges, he admitted, but the Irish people realise that. “This is a welcoming country,” he said.

To today

https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2022/07/15/poll-reveals-fears-over-states-capacity-to-manage-refugees/

Voters are concerned at the numbers of refugees coming to Ireland and favour a limit on the number of Ukrainians who are admitted into the country, according to the latest Irish Times/Ipsos poll.

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A large majority of respondents (84 per cent) to the poll said that they agreed with the statement “There is a limit to the number of asylum seekers and refugees Ireland can cope with”, while 60 per cent said they were concerned that “too many asylum seekers and refugees might come to Ireland”.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119341076#Comment_119341076

That remains to be seen.

Odds are that Leo, Michael and Eamonn are on course to decimate their parties by going into government. Which makes it a 'loss'.

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119341119#Comment_119341119

It's really like watching a slow car crash

Dempo1

Roderic o Gorman, struggling on the new at one

Dempo1

I'm just trying to wrap my head around what's it's going to be like in October 😳

Dempo1

Roderic now also blaming the UK asylum policy even though the UN have said there's absolutely no evidence of this.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119341095#Comment_119341095

Do you think there should be a cap given our housing disaster? Yes or No?

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119341139#Comment_119341139

They usually roll out the Minister for Children when the FFG bluffers are too afraid to face the music.

jmcc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119340766#Comment_119340766

Varadkar, who was promoted by FG media handlers as a some kind of FG "presidential" leader (should we mention his claim to have made phone calls to help out Trump with planning permission issues?), has turned out to be less impressive than you hoped? Lost 12 seats in the GE. Lost another seat in DBS, effectively FG heartland territory. Now those terrible SFers are leading in the polls when only two years ago FG was polling at 37% and FG is on 18%. He was all set for FG to go into opposition. Of course, that would have made him a loser to you, wouldn't it?

Regards...jmcc

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119341095#Comment_119341095

Tbf if we are leaving them in the 4077th (M*A*S*H), style we should maybe think about it. Maybe a 'more than welcome, but bring a sleeping bag and crash on the floor' would give them a heads up.

It currently looks like Ireland had a natural disaster and FEMA gave us a dig out.

Suckit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119341095#Comment_119341095

It seems to be what the majority of the public are saying, but feck them. What do they know.

jmcc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119340805#Comment_119340805

FF is at 20% in the IT poll while FG is down to 18%. :) Martin's personal rating is down 11.

https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/poll/

By the comments from that FF meeting, I think that they want to FFrag him as he has become too close to FG.

Regards...jmcc

Dempo1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119341178#Comment_119341178

Roderic certainly taking the majority of flack for this debacle, Darragh O Brien in hiding, its shocking

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119341206#Comment_119341206

Do you think they could change either leader and keep the coalition alive? I think they could change Leo to say Paschal and keep trucking along but I am not sure if a new FF leader would commit (especially when he/she would not be Taoiseach).

Dempo1

So now another €2.8 billion with some contribution from construction industry to repair apartments with defective materials, Mother of God were is all this money coming from, surely the magic money tree must be bare by now 🤔

Another levy on the way 😡

Brucie Bonus

FF will want/need to distance themselves from FG, so a new leader and a pretence of being different would be in order before the next GE. We might see the coalition fall after Varadker takes his go. I can see FF looking for an out anyway.

jmcc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119341216#Comment_119341216

Donohoe was saying before Christmas that he worked well with Michael McGrath. He's a potential replacement for Martin though O'Callaghan might also be in the running if it was certain that he'd hold his seat. A kind of dual regime change might work temporarily but it the way that those FFers are lining up against Martin suggests deeper problems within FF. It would not be unthinkable to see the FF cabinet members vote for the FG nominee while some FFers vote in favour of their own political careers. If FG starts to fall to around 15% in the polls by early October then FF will start acting like political sharks.

Regards...jmcc

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119341095#Comment_119341095

Seemingly some people would prefer to watch the Ukraine people die on TV than have them come to live in Ireland for hopefully a short period till they return home

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119341201#Comment_119341201

Any thing to back up this statement?

Irelandsnumberone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119341359#Comment_119341359

What absolute nonsense and you don't even believe that yourself.

The Govt have fucked up and this is all you can come up with

Dempo1

I'm absolutely not aware of anyone who would like or enjoy Ukrainians dieing on TV, what a truely disgusting comment.

People would rather Refugees would be located to countries if necessary, we're appropriate services and accommodation are available, not to be encouraged to traipse across an entire continent with the promise of unlimited Supports and accommodation, to end up in Tents or airport terminal buildings. They'd also like to see equality and one tier support system and at the very least controls and verifications taking place instead of this Bonkers out of control chaos, they may also like their government to consider them, even briefly.

Other governments have copped on, no fear of ours doing so it would seem. I'm only surprised it's taken this long for this appalling situation to be exposed for what it is, unsustainable Virtue Signalling.

Suckit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119341373#Comment_119341373

10 or so posts above it.

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119341359#Comment_119341359

This here is the kind of Fox news sensationalism you often complain about. People critical of the set up and provision for refugees does not equal some people "prefer to watch the Ukrainian people die on TV".

A complete abuse of the Ukrainians by you. Shameful B.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119341128#Comment_119341128

What do you envisage? The creation of a single-party state? That they will never be in government again?

Complete rubbish. You go into government, you make decisions, you pass laws, changing the country in the way you want. That is what winners do. Losers sit on the opposition benches whinging and moaning about the other side.

Now most parties have their share of winning and of losing and FF, FG, Labour and the Greens have done both. Others are serial losers. If you win, you leave a legacy, even defunct parties like the PDs have more of a legacy that those who are in perennial opposition.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119341499#Comment_119341499

Ah, I get it now, you want to send the Ukrainians to Rwanda.