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FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3 - Threadbanned User List in OP

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    #1472
    TomTomTim
    Registered Users Posts: 2,841 ✭✭✭TomTomTim


    blanch152 wrote: »
    The next election is a long way away.

    (1) Leo will be Taoiseach, a far better communicator than Martin
    (2) Green policies will be having a real positive effect


    I hate SF, but I'd never be able to get to the place that some people have, which is delusional support for the other side.

    “The man who lies to himself can be more easily offended than anyone else. You know it is sometimes very pleasant to take offense, isn't it? A man may know that nobody has insulted him, but that he has invented the insult for himself, has lied and exaggerated to make it picturesque, has caught at a word and made a mountain out of a molehill--he knows that himself, yet he will be the first to take offense, and will revel in his resentment till he feels great pleasure in it.”- ― Fyodor Dostoevsky, The Brothers Karamazov




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    #1473
    jammiedodgers
    Registered Users Posts: 1,414 ✭✭✭jammiedodgers


    Poor Marc seems to have forgotten Fianna Fail are in Government? :confused:

    https://twitter.com/MarcMacsharryTD/status/1409850227717251073


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    #1474
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,962 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    TomTomTim wrote: »
    I hate SF, but I'd never be able to get to the place that some people have, which is delusional support for the other side.

    How is pointing out the differences between now and then "delusional support for the other side"? If there is an election tomorrow, I will vote Green, it is most likely they get my vote the next time out as well.

    In fact, if anything was delusional, it was the statement that "the next GE will be a FF FG bloodbath."


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    #1475
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,800 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    ineedeuro wrote: »
    Really? apart from the usuals who seem to lose the plot at every announcement, most people at this stage would prefer to just get the pandemic over & done with. Not having a meal inside for a few weeks is not going to massively affect them


    It's affecting ograFG. They're calling for a demo.
    More Shinners now on the anti govt bandwagon.


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    #1476
    Shebean
    Registered Users Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Shebean


    blanch152 wrote: »
    The next election is a long way away.

    (1) Leo will be Taoiseach, a far better communicator than Martin
    (2) Green policies will be having a real positive effect

    I think Varadkar's biggest problem is shooting his mouth off and undermining colleagues. It's his leaking or commenting out of school causes much of the confusion. He seems to want to be seen as apart from the very government he's in.
    Be years before we see any slim benefits from the Green watered down plans. There won't be any Green minister in office by that point.


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    #1477
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,800 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    Shebean wrote: »
    I think Varadkar's biggest problem is shooting his mouth off and undermining colleagues. It's his leaking or commenting out of school causes much of the confusion. He seems to want to be seen as apart from the very government he's in.
    Be years before we see any slim benefits from the Green watered down plans.

    In fairness he has got rep for #leaks. So much so that the Gardai are investigating.
    #notanormalparty


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    #1478
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,003 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    A possibility of being in jail or a possibility of being Taoiseach.

    Sums up this government


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    #1479
    ineedeuro
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 989 ✭✭✭ineedeuro


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    It's affecting ograFG. They're calling for a demo.
    More Shinners now on the anti govt bandwagon.

    What has "Shinners" got to do with ograFG?
    Wasn't it FF making the announcement this afternoon in terms of the pandemic?


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    #1480
    Calhoun
    Registered Users Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    jammiedodgers wrote: »
    Poor Marc seems to have forgotten Fianna Fail are in Government? :confused:

    https://twitter.com/MarcMacsharryTD/status/1409850227717251073

    I expected to see something like that from the opposition , he's effectively feeding them a narrative that could be easily run with.

    Didn't help Leo's comments yesterday makes them all look bad be interesting to see the blow back from this and if it will herald the end of NPHET in it's current form.


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    #1481
    ineedeuro
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 989 ✭✭✭ineedeuro


    jammiedodgers wrote: »
    Poor Marc seems to have forgotten Fianna Fail are in Government? :confused:

    https://twitter.com/MarcMacsharryTD/status/1409850227717251073

    Poor lad is rightly getting hammered, complaining when you are a TD in government about what the government are doing is very very stupid.


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    #1482
    Shebean
    Registered Users Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭Shebean


    ineedeuro wrote: »
    Poor lad is rightly getting hammered, complaining when you are a TD in government about what the government are doing is very very stupid.

    Varadkar made a good career out of it.


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    #1483
    Finty Lemon
    Registered Users Posts: 1,518 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    UK at 22,000 cases today, up from 1600 3 weeks ago. With pubs open the Euros and D-variant ot will be at 40,000 plus inside 2 weeks.
    The right call to keep pubs closed given the new knowledge on variants


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    #1484
    McMurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    It's affecting ograFG. They're calling for a demo.
    More Shinners now on the anti govt bandwagon.

    That's not surprising.

    Seems like only last year* someone from ogra FG wanted to sacrifice the old and vulnerable do as he could get drinking and get up to some general tomfoolery with his pals.


    *Actually it was.


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    #1485
    [Deleted User]
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    Martin was actually very good on Six One there
    Explaining,levelling and answering well
    The logic seems clear

    Several countries shown on the same programme to be implementing a digital covid cert style entry to indoor dining


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    #1486
    J.O. Farmer
    Registered Users Posts: 2,465 ✭✭✭J.O. Farmer


    Marine Layer wrote: »
    Martin was actually very good on Six One there
    Explaining,levelling and answering well
    The logic seems clear

    Several countries shown on the same programme to be implementing a digital covid cert style entry to indoor dining

    Do a lot of those not allow an antigen test if you're not vaccinated. Therefore anyone can get a cert. Here, your under 40 and haven't jumped the vaccine queue you can stay outside. It's a slight but important difference.


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    #1487
    jammiedodgers
    Registered Users Posts: 1,414 ✭✭✭jammiedodgers


    Marine Layer wrote: »
    Martin was actually very good on Six One there
    Explaining,levelling and answering well
    The logic seems clear

    Several countries shown on the same programme to be implementing a digital covid cert style entry to indoor dining

    Those would be the countries that planned well in advance for it and didn't leave it until the week before indoor dining was due to open to decide they might try do something about it.


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    #1488
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,800 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    ineedeuro wrote: »
    What has "Shinners" got to do with ograFG?
    Wasn't it FF making the announcement this afternoon in terms of the pandemic?


    FF in govt with FG last I heard.Are ye trying to make some distance?
    And as for the 'Shinners' remark, appears to be a consensus around these parts that anyone who objects to FFG is actually in SF.


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    #1489
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,003 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    jammiedodgers wrote: »
    Those would be the countries that planned well in advance for it and didn't leave it until the week before indoor dining was due to open to decide they might try do something about it.

    This .
    Donnelly was all at sea today at one. Hadn't a breeze on how it would be done. Hapless.


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    #1490
    ineedeuro
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 989 ✭✭✭ineedeuro


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    FF in govt with FG last I heard.Are ye trying to make some distance?
    And as for the 'Shinners' remark, appears to be a consensus around these parts that anyone who objects to FFG is actually in SF.

    Im not in SF and I object to items FFG put forward, not all but some. I don't see that consensus at all you refer to, but I do see a lot of Sinn Fein supporters who seem to think the World is against them. It's the press one day and the next it is everyone in Ireland who is not a SF supporter.

    It is good to see that ograFG can go against the older members of the party and if they want they should march against them. You see above a FF TD is also going against the party. That is political and everyone can have different opinions. In the case of the FF TD he really should have posted what he had done to stop the new regulations.

    It seems to me Sinn Fein TD's and supporters seem to think they have to churn out the party political broadcast and if they don't they are the enemy.


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    #1491
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    This .
    Donnelly was all at sea today at one. Hadn't a breeze on how it would be done. Hapless.

    That might be because Nphet sprung it on him last night....
    Have you decided whether you're in favour of being in full alignment with nphet advice yet?
    I've asked a few times


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    #1492
    Fann Linn
    Registered Users Posts: 7,800 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    Marine Layer wrote: »
    That might be because Nphet sprung it on him last night....
    Have you decided whether you're in favour of being in full alignment with nphet advice yet?
    I've asked a few times

    Problem with Nphet advice appears to be that only the cabinet have access to it. There have been calls for the last 48 hours for Nphet to publish it's data for peer review. They won't.

    Nphet are against Antigen testing yet never read the Govt independent review of same. Wasn't too long ago Nphet was against masks, now they are almost mandatory. Then AZ was good for OAPs, then it wasn't, then it was no use for 50 year olds, but okay for those aged 40.

    A representative body suggested that the Data be released to the ECDC or WHO for their analysis. A fair comment I would have thought considering the way we are operating in contrast to our EU neighbours. Will it happen? No. We'll just be left with daft Nphet advice that says it's okay for an unvaccinated 20 something to serve me a meal, but not okay for that same person to eat their own lunch on the same premises.

    It's a good day for the conspiracy theorists when they are rightly justified in saying that the lunatics have taken over the asylum.


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    #1493
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,003 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Marine Layer wrote: »
    That might be because Nphet sprung it on him last night....
    Have you decided whether you're in favour of being in full alignment with nphet advice yet?
    I've asked a few times

    Ah...so it's NPHET's fault something that has been touted, kiteflown for a while now has not been looked at?

    Okey dokey. :eek:

    I give you my answer yesterday to the question.

    The government should follow the health advice they receive.

    There is no onus or responsibility on me, an ordinary citizen to be in full alignment with NPHET or the government. (nor you either, as it happens)


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    #1494
    [Deleted User]
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    Fann Linn wrote: »
    Problem with Nphet advice appears to be that only the cabinet have access to it. There have been calls for the last 48 hours for Nphet to publish it's data for peer review. They won't.

    Nphet are against Antigen testing yet never read the Govt independent review of same. Wasn't too long ago Nphet was against masks, now they are almost mandatory. Then AZ was good for OAPs, then it wasn't, then it was no use for 50 year olds, but okay for those aged 40.

    A representative body suggested that the Data be released to the ECDC or WHO for their analysis. A fair comment I would have thought considering the way we are operating in contrast to our EU neighbours. Will it happen? No. We'll just be left with daft Nphet advice that says it's okay for an unvaccinated 20 something to serve me a meal, but not okay for that same person to eat their own lunch on the same premises.

    It's a good day for the conspiracy theorists when they are rightly justified in saying that the lunatics have taken over the asylum.

    You'd be forgiven for thinking Nphet are modeled on the politburo with Tony as President

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    #1495
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Ah...so it's NPHET's fault something that has been touted, kiteflown for a while now has not been looked at?

    Okey dokey. :eek:

    I give you my answer yesterday to the question.

    The government should follow the health advice they receive.

    There is no onus or responsibility on me, an ordinary citizen to be in full alignment with NPHET or the government. (nor you either, as it happens)

    I didn't ask if you should be in alignment with the governments health advisors
    I asked you if the government should be
    Again no reference to nphet in the answer in case it slows maximimum warp giving out for you
    Its a clever but unfortunately see through use of plausible obfuscation

    I will say one other thing about today's announcement, there was no time for discussion as clarity on decision-making was the priority
    Damned if they do
    Damned if they don't
    Who'd be a government eh?
    Nothing but hassle


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    #1496
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,003 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Marine Layer wrote: »
    I didn't ask if you should be in alignment with the governments health advisors
    I asked you if the government should be
    Again no reference to nphet in the answer in case it slows maximimum warp giving out for you
    Its a clever but unfortunately see through use of plausible obfuscation

    I will say one other thing about today's announcement, there was no time for discussion as clarity on decision-making was the priority
    Damned if they do
    Damned if they don't
    Who'd be a government eh?
    Nothing but hassle

    Clarity on decision making?

    You didn't hear Donnelly's car crash at One obviously.


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    #1497
    [Deleted User]
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Clarity on decision making?

    You didn't hear Donnelly's car crash at One obviously.

    I'm not a fan
    But regardless, no one could have answers for the more contentious elements of the nphet advice without consultation
    He really should have been saying that
    Yes there's clarity, the government have said here's the position, make of it what you can restaurateurs because it's what Nphet suggests


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    #1498
    ElektroToad
    Registered Users Posts: 101 ✭✭ElektroToad


    Can't see the FFG getting much of the under 40's vote next GE.

    The ongoing housing crisis is bad enough, but now they're trying to ban the same age cohort from having a meal or drink indoors this summer? :pac:


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    #1499
    Calhoun
    Registered Users Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    The problem they have is they have been far to slow on the rollout and its reached a natural conclusion, the haves versus the have nots.

    No matter what they do they are onto a loosing battle. It was always going to be a hard sell as soon as summer hit and the sun came out.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/young-people-to-be-left-on-the-outside-looking-in-as-nation-gets-partitioned-40595414.html

    Could they have done it better is down to perspective, this government has relied on putting minimal effort and resourcing into it. They need the likes of NPHET as they need a scape goat but i don't think they will get away unscathe.


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    #1500
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,003 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Marine Layer wrote: »
    I'm not a fan
    But regardless, no one could have answers for the more contentious elements of the nphet advice without consultation
    He really should have been saying that
    Yes there's clarity, the government have said here's the position, make of it what you can restaurateurs because it's what Nphet suggests

    Sure.
    Donnelly was saying at One that when indoor dining resumes, the customers will be vaccinated the staff not.

    Crystal clear. :pac::pac:


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    #1501
    Calhoun
    Registered Users Posts: 7,447 ✭✭✭Calhoun


    Went and listened to that interview, definitely a car crash. All over the place and not knowing what to say just say something anything to stop the questions.

    At one point had said they are following European protocol and travel but they actual prefer Nphets recommendation but they wouldnt be implementing it. Its like they want to have a shield for anything that could go wrong.

    https://www.rte.ie/radio1/news-at-one/podcasts/


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