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FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3 - Threadbanned User List in OP

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    #152
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,761 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Of course they are, there are experts every day calling for Zero Covid, other experts saying we don't need any lockdown at all.

    You want a view on Covid, you will find an expert to back you up.

    Only ditch hurlers hide behind experts.

    Alright Mr Pedantic...are they ignoring any NPHET advice?


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    #153
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,755 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Alright Mr Pedantic...are they ignoring any NPHET advice?

    Again, NPHET doesn't speak with one voice consistently, there are differing views within NPHET, sometimes their advice is an unworkable compromise of those differing views. NPHET are not unchallengable deities.


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    #154
    McMurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Finty Lemon wrote: »
    Jaysis when Stephen has ye down to grumbling about stuff like this, he must be flying :)

    Meanwhile, nobody has anything to say about Norma. She schooled yis all good.

    You're confusing grumbling with piss taking.


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    #155
    skimpydoo
    Registered Users Posts: 4,914 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Marine Layer wrote: »
    My brother rang his gp this morning,cohort 7 and is being done next wenesday
    If you are waiting,you need to be pushy because mistakes happen
    My vaccination is not taking place at my GP's. It's been done at a private hospital where I have been getting treatment. The email I was sent said to only send them my PPS number as they are too busy to answer any queries.


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    #156
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,761 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Again, NPHET doesn't speak with one voice consistently, there are differing views within NPHET, sometimes their advice is an unworkable compromise of those differing views. NPHET are not unchallengable deities.

    Funny I could be sure people where defending Leo's government by saying he was following NPHET's expert advice as he was supposed to. Must go and check who was saying that.

    So, for the record are you saying they are ignoring some of NPHET's advice here?


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    #157
    skimpydoo
    Registered Users Posts: 4,914 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Did you send it to the correct email address?
    I replied to the email I was sent, so I don't know how it would have gone to the wrong email address.


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    #158
    skimpydoo
    Registered Users Posts: 4,914 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Finty Lemon wrote: »
    Who here disagrees with the move to relax restrictions? Now is the time to register your disapproval.
    It will be better than looking wise in hindsight if/when the 4th wave hits in a month's time. Speak up now (not like in December)

    I am counting down to our fourth wave. We had less cases when we opened up last December and look what happened. Last December they ignored NPHET'S advice and last May NPHET recommended MHQ which finally took place nearly a year later and when it was put in place it was done half heartedly. It's as if they want it to fail.


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    #159
    skimpydoo
    Registered Users Posts: 4,914 ✭✭✭skimpydoo


    Finty Lemon wrote: »
    Jaysis when Stephen has ye down to grumbling about stuff like this, he must be flying :)

    Meanwhile, nobody has anything to say about Norma. She schooled yis all good.

    What has Norma done?


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    #160
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,761 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Listening to Fionnan Sheehan say that they have ignored some NPHET advice, so on record here, I'll have to reserve judgement.
    I defer to the experts, if they say future problems were caused because of the advice they ignored here then the buck once again stops with those who ignored that advice.

    Too many lives at stake.


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    #161
    Finty Lemon
    Registered Users Posts: 1,512 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Listening to Fionnan Sheehan say that they have ignored some NPHET advice, so on record here, I'll have to reserve judgement.
    I defer to the experts, if they say future problems were caused because of the advice they ignored here then the buck once again stops with those who ignored that advice.

    Too many lives at stake.

    Back up on the ditch with ya Francie;)


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    #162
    Finty Lemon
    Registered Users Posts: 1,512 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    skimpydoo wrote: »
    What has Norma done?

    Delivered reopening of the schools and put manners on the teachers unions.


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    #163
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,761 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Finty Lemon wrote: »
    Back up on the ditch with ya Francie;)

    You asked, I answered. Sorry it wasn't what you were looking for.


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    #164
    mattser
    Registered Users Posts: 2,222 ✭✭✭mattser


    Finty Lemon wrote: »
    Back up on the ditch with ya Francie;)

    Mary Lou on news there was very fair and balanced. Wasn't taking a cowardly line of govt ignoring experts.
    On a day when everyone I've spoken to or seen interviewed is brighter and more hopeful, the perma whingers must stir the poo.
    These people are pathetic. Not sure why anyone would engage with them.


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    #165
    Finty Lemon
    Registered Users Posts: 1,512 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    You asked, I answered. Sorry it wasn't what you were looking for.

    Your answer is you don't know. For the record.


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    #166
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,761 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Finty Lemon wrote: »
    Your answer is you don't know. For the record.

    I was very specific actually. If one of the ignored pieces of expert advice is attributed to be the cause of a surge then the buck for that stops with those who ignored that bit of expert advice.

    Government remains accountable, even if you guys want to continue giving free passes.


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    #167
    Finty Lemon
    Registered Users Posts: 1,512 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    I was very specific actually. If one of the ignored pieces of expert advice is attributed to be the cause of a surge then the buck for that stops with those who ignored that bit of expert advice.

    Government remains accountable, even if you guys want to continue giving free passes.

    Can you pinpoint the omissions that led to the increase in cases during December?
    Or would Christmas, new variants, people returning home from high incidence areas abroad, have any bearing?
    Please share your calculations on how you apportioned the effects. Regards etc


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    #168
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    As a lecturer one said to us, a whale only gets harpooned when it comes up to blow.


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    #169
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,761 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Finty Lemon wrote: »
    Can you pinpoint the omissions that led to the increase in cases during December?
    Or would Christmas, new variants, people returning home from high incidence areas abroad, have any bearing?
    Please share your calculations on how you apportioned the effects. Regards etc

    Scroll back the thread, you'll find it discussed there.


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    #170
    mattser
    Registered Users Posts: 2,222 ✭✭✭mattser


    Deleted User wrote: »
    As a lecturer one said to us, a whale only gets harpooned when it comes up to blow.

    Perfectly put. Proof that it doesn't take dozens of pointless posts a day, ( even if you had the time ), to deliver a knockout punch.


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    #171
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users Posts: 9,193 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    I was very specific actually. If one of the ignored pieces of expert advice is attributed to be the cause of a surge then the buck for that stops with those who ignored that bit of expert advice.

    Government remains accountable, even if you guys want to continue giving free passes.

    It was a long and expensive mistake. But meaningful...

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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    #172
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,761 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »
    It was a long and expensive mistake. But meaningful...

    A lot of people died because of that mistake, some people I know. These guys want to turn it into a cheap political jibe if you criticise it. Appalling.


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    #173
    Finty Lemon
    Registered Users Posts: 1,512 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Scroll back the thread, you'll find it discussed there.

    France, Portugal, Spain, Netherlands Finland, Norway, Sweden, Germany, UK all spiked in Dec Jan. All coincidental with the largest Christian festival of the year. Irelands pattern was similar, inward migration of citizens, and more transmissible variants, playing a key role.

    You say that the Jan spike was 100% down to a deviation between NPHET position and that of the government. That appears somewhat implausible given the comparable pattern in other jurisdictions. It could be concluded that you have tried to politicise the issue.

    Or perhaps you have analysed and apportioned the relative effects. If so, and to save us all trawling back through the thread, please show your work and enlighten us once again.


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    #174
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »
    It was a long and expensive mistake. But meaningful...

    Meaningfull for Mary Lou anyway
    She was all in favour of hospitality being open :)

    https://www.facebook.com/sinnfein/videos/236387647821585/


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    #175
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,761 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Finty Lemon wrote: »
    France, Portugal, Spain, Netherlands Finland, Norway, Sweden, Germany, UK all spiked in Dec Jan. All coincidental with the largest Christian festival of the year. Irelands pattern was similar, inward migration of citizens, and more transmissible variants, playing a key role.

    You say that the Jan spike was 100% down to a deviation between NPHET position and that of the government. That appears somewhat implausible given the comparable pattern in other jurisdictions. It could be concluded that you have tried to politicise the issue.

    Or perhaps you have analysed and apportioned the relative effects. If so, and to save us all trawling back through the thread, please show your work and enlighten us once again.

    Not interested in re-hashing that Finty. Especially with someone who is already lying and misrepresenting what was said/claimed. At no time did I use the figure 100%.


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    #176
    Finty Lemon
    Registered Users Posts: 1,512 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    I was very specific actually. If one of the ignored pieces of expert advice is attributed to be the cause of a surge then the buck for that stops with those who ignored that bit of expert advice.

    Government remains accountable, even if you guys want to continue giving free passes.

    Which bit though? And to what extent?
    And how would that be squared with the patterns in the rest of western Europe? Or are you just speculating again?


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    #177
    Finty Lemon
    Registered Users Posts: 1,512 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Not interested in re-hashing that Finty. Especially with someone who is already lying and misrepresenting what was said/claimed. At no time did I use the figure 100%.

    Not 100% then? That's a start. Care to put a figure on it?


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    #178
    mattser
    Registered Users Posts: 2,222 ✭✭✭mattser


    Marine Layer wrote: »
    Meaningfull for Mary Lou anyway
    She was all in favour of hospitality being open :)

    https://www.facebook.com/sinnfein/videos/236387647821585/

    That wont stop the hypocrites conjuring some sort of get out clause for themselves. Mary Lou was supportive of todays decisions also in the main.


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    #179
    Finty Lemon
    Registered Users Posts: 1,512 ✭✭✭Finty Lemon


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Not interested in re-hashing that Finty. Especially with someone who is already lying and misrepresenting what was said/claimed. At no time did I use the figure 100%.

    You may need to account for multicollinearity in your approximations of blame Francie. But at least we have established that that you don't 100% blame the government.
    You have grown a bit it seems.


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    #180
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users Posts: 9,193 ✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Marine Layer wrote: »
    Meaningfull for Mary Lou anyway
    She was all in favour of hospitality being open :)

    https://www.facebook.com/sinnfein/videos/236387647821585/

    Mary Lou is not in government and I do not support SF.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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    #181
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,761 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Finty Lemon wrote: »
    You may need to account for multicollinearity in your approximations of blame Francie. But at least we have established that that you don't 100% blame the government.
    You have grown a bit it seems.

    I never did Finty.

    Mis-representation and lies again. Glad I didn't waste time debating with you. good luck now.


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