FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3 - Threadbanned User List in OP

US3

Leo said FF have pulled their taxation and welfare budget straight out of SF manefesto. Interesting

https://www.irishtimes.com/politics/2022/09/15/taoiseach-disagrees-with-tanaistes-sinn-fein-comment-about-taxation-report/

shirrup

When will FG learn that Leo's fixation on Sinn Féin is borderline unhealthy and unhinged?

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/member-of-commission-on-taxation-stunned-and-disappointed-at-varadkar-sinn-fein-manifesto-comments-41992882.html

The Tánaiste is now embroiled in a growing row after he said that some of the commission's recommendations were “straight out of the Sinn Féin manifesto”.

After Taoiseach Micheál Martin said he did not agree with those remarks, John-Mark McCafferty, the chief executive of Threshold, said the Tánaiste's tone and response to some of its recommendations was not helpful.

"I am stunned am stunned and disappointed," he said.

The housing charity boss questioned whether people would be willing to serve on government-appointed commissions in the future if this was how senior politicians responded to their findings.

He is after rattling a number of cages today with that comment, he's a serious dead weight to the party. Varadkar will be the main reason FG will get absolutely obliterated in the next election. He's toxic.

jmcc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119623645#Comment_119623645

It id worrying that it was in the Indo because, at times, it can be the Daily Blueshirt. However, it is Hugh O'Conell rather than one of the other Indo jouros and it is quite a scoop. FF, under Martin, has essentially lost its identity (apparently a topic at the FF think-in) and has become completely subservient to FG. This might be an attempt to gain headlines for FF and to assert some kind of non-FG identity for the party. What it will remind the electorate of is that when things went to Hell in 2008 and people lost their homes and businesses, these FFers didn't suffer at all and got big payoffs and pensions.

Regards...jmcc

fliball123

I have a feeling this last budget is a give away spend for all we will be spending over 90Billion next year that is an incredible figure for a population of a little over 5 million with less than half of that working. I have a horrible feeling FF/G are greasing up the ball for a horrible side ways hospital pass to the shinners. I dont like the shinners always voted FG but I fear there will be a split engineered between these 2 parties in the next 12 months as the finances are blown this last budget will be the last nice one for a long time and Mary Lou will be the one left to give the bad news for the next number of years. If I wasn't so disgusted by our political overlords I would be very impressed by their political nuance.

jmcc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119622080#Comment_119622080

You seem to thnk that you are qualified to lecture journalists on Journalism and now you are waffling about reading newspaper articles and drawing the "right" conclusions. To paraphrase the words of Ricky Roma from the movie "Glengarry Glen Ross", why don't you buy us a pack of gum so you can show us how to chew it. Your analysis of Journalism is, in my opinion, non-expert. Your analysis of politics is, to say the least, unthinkingly partisan.

This is a very serious issue for FF and it keeps reminding the electorate of FF's past. It wasn't bad enough that Martin left the whole Troy Story thing fester for weeks but now he wants to rehabilitate Bertie Ahern. FF has, under Martin's leadership, lost its identity and become subservient to FG. FF seems to be tearing itself apart with an identity crisis but all you FFG supporters are focused on is SF. And there's still the Donohoe/McGrath issue to be resolved.

Regards...jmcc

jmcc

Another angle being mentioned in relation to the Martin/Ahern story is the GFA anniversary. That's going to get a lot of favourable coverage and having Ahern as part of FF will remind people of FF's part in the GFA and how FG made a mess of things under Bruton. The problem for Martin and FF is that the electorate still associates Ahern with the Mahon Tribunal and the bursting of the property bubble. SF will also benefit from the GFA anniversary and FF needs the positive coverage if it is not to lose seats in the next GE and the Locals/Euros.

Regards...jmcc

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119623995#Comment_119623995

Brilliant! 😂

EOQRTL

FFG, lots done but more to do...

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2022/0916/1323685-french-embassy-warning-accommodation/

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119623995#Comment_119623995

"This is a very serious issue for FF"

Are you having a laugh? Whether or not a hasbeen former Taoiseach is a member of the party or not is a "very serious issue"?

That is the most ridiculous overblown unthinkingly partisan analysis for quite a while. Do you think this "very serious issue" is more serious than the housing crisis? Framing a budget? the health service? changing ministers' portfolios? education? the war in Ukraine? inflation? crime? homelessness?

Maybe you could let us know where that "very serious issue" ranks among those serious issues.

Shebean

"I hear you're a socialist now father?"

'Proper' for Govt to take back excess energy profits

http://www.rte.ie/news/europe/2022/0916/1323764-mairead-mcguinness/

If a PBP or Sinn Fein government pulled this there'd be talk of communist Russia.

markodaly

https://twitter.com/farrellniall/status/1570735229882761216

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Some insight into the ESB profits.

AlmightyCushion

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119626310#Comment_119626310

Well, that isn't true because Sinn Fein did ask about a windfall tax being introduced months ago and the government were looking into it. Some members of government were in favour of it and others were not. I don't recall any of them screaming about communism.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119626746#Comment_119626746

It's still the government's fault.

Shebean

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119626825#Comment_119626825

If you read my post, it says if a PBP or SF Government introduced it.

PBP and SF aren't in government, so you're correct in that regard.

Maybe they'll also consider the esb 'for profit' model going forward.

jmcc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119625437#Comment_119625437

To explain it in simple terms for you, FF is a political party and it needs to get its TDs reelected and get new ones elected.

Reminding people of one of the most fiscally incompetent FF regimes ever by trying to rehabilitate the leader of that regime is a bad thing. It makes voters remember the damage that FF did to the economy and the lost homes and businesses and remember their family members who had to emigrate while these FFers got big payoffs and pensions.

Those angry voters might not want to vote FF in upcoming elections. That means that fewer FF TDs get reelected or elected. Losing seats is a very serious issue for any political party let alone FF.

Losing seats, as anyone with even the most basic understanding of politics would know, is bad for any political party. If FF loses seats then SF may gain seats and you wouldn't like that, would you?

Regards...jmcc

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119626911#Comment_119626911

I think my point flew over your head.

If inflation is under control, public transport is being built, economic growth is happening, we're moving to a sustainable economy, an end to the housing shortage is in sight, slaintecare has started etc. etc., then people voting in 2025 won't give a second's thought to the "very serious issue" of Bertie. Thinking they will is deluded.

Shebean

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119627012#Comment_119627012

Aside from reported economic growth in some areas, the rest of your comment is delusional. There's nothing remotely plausible to any of it.

The economy is far from sustainable. Slaintecare hasn't started and we are moving deeper into the housing crisis. Also Bertie winning money on the horses and keeping his money in the wardrobe will not be forgotten. 'the boom will get boomier', indeed.

jmcc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119627012#Comment_119627012

You make up a fantasy for FFG and then claim that anyone who disasgrees with your fantasy is wrong?

Regards...jmcc

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119627012#Comment_119627012

It's entirely obvious where the delusion is....

Bertie for President !!!

Mahon Tribunal never happened. No reform necessary etc etc

jmcc

The rehabilitation of Bertie Ahern by FF would provide the basis for a very effective negative ad campaign. The theme would be simple: here's the reason you can't buy or rent.

FF's support in the younger demographics is already collapsing in the opinion polls but this would kill it off.

Regards...jmcc

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119623032#Comment_119623032

It's actually not although the less said about Hogan's time as minister the better! I am referring to collection and LAs barely got to 60% of that. They really are pretty incompetent at such things and the easy logic of LPT meant that the income could be guaranteed and not subject to any type of blockages. It's really how it should have been done in the first place. Amused to see a link to the usual suspects who would boycott any new tax every invented.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119627139#Comment_119627139

The LAs are spectacularly incompetent.

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119627061#Comment_119627061

election posters

shirrup

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119627139#Comment_119627139

They barely collected it because of the aforementioned boycott. Revenue were brought in as the govt weren't prepared for the civil disobedience and boycott. Or, another way of putting it would be, Revenue were brought in because of the Haimes created by the government when they dreamt up the scheme.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119627182#Comment_119627182

Well, you see this because it suits you to and I see the logic of the LPT and it was the right call rather than let LAs try to fund themselves. You seem to be backing LAs, despite real life evidence of their complete inability to collect funds owed to them, in any circumstances.

Incidentally, the real damage was done back in 1978 when FF, as promised, abolished domestic rates thus depriving councils of a reliable source of income

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119627182#Comment_119627182

Funny how that tax is still collecting money and the Commission is proposing to increase it if it was such a mess.

shirrup

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119627219#Comment_119627219

LPT is a sound concept in theory, yes. However, we were not discussing whether I agreed with it or not, we were discussing your disingenuousness in trying to pin blame on LAs because revenue needed to be drafted in to enforce collection.

I stated, (and backed up that with sources) that revenue needed to be brought in because of non compliance, not because the LA were inefficient at collecting it.

Someone up above posted a comical Ali meme, it would fit right in here too. Your in denial it seems.

https://m.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/property-mortgages/thousands-still-defying-revenue-on-local-property-tax-months-after-deadline-41844088.html

Pay attention.

Thousands of homeowners continue to defy Revenue by failing to file a local property tax return months after the deadline.

New figures show that no property tax return has been filed for 178,000 properties.

It means that just half of those contacted by the tax authority in March and April have responded to its warnings to file a return.

The failure of so many to provide a current valuation means they could be underpaying the tax and could face large interest rate penalties.

The rules were changed for this year’s local property tax (LPT), requiring a new valuation for homes, the first such request to revalue since 2013.

Property owners were required to determine the market value of their property as at last November 1.

The higher-than-expected non-compliance means the property tax amount for these houses where no valuation has been provided is based on estimated values put together by Revenue statisticians.

Now seeing as I've paid you the courtesy of backing up my claim that revenue was brought in because of non compliance and a boycott, maybe you might repay me with a source that Beck's your claim that they were brought in due to the LAs being useless at collecting it.

shirrup

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119627224#Comment_119627224

I never claimed the lpt was a mess, I said the govt made a haimes of its introduction, and left it too easy to be ignored, hence revenue were needed.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119627302#Comment_119627302

Change is difficult and there are often teething problems or unforseen or unanticipated challenges. They got it right in the end.

shirrup

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119627317#Comment_119627317

By "got it right in the end" obviously you're alluding to my original point that they needed to draft in revenue because of the huge challenges they faced with non compliance/boycotting by the public.