FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3 - Threadbanned User List in OP

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119627289#Comment_119627289

We share completely different views on why LPT was introduced. All you're doing here is sharing a link about LPT and 91% compliance with it, which in Revenue compliance terms is still actually very good, and suggesting something else entirely by highlighting words that support your view.

Again there is absolutely no denial on my part that LAs are inept at collecting funds. That was the case in 2012 just as it is now.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119627326#Comment_119627326

Yes, they didn't anticipate the populist misinformation campaign by certain politicians against the tax. That was their mistake.

shirrup

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119627330#Comment_119627330

We share completely different views on why LPT was introduced

We do? How do you know that, when I never voiced my theory behind why it was introduced? Poor deflection attempt, very poor.

All you're doing here is sharing a link about LPT and 91% compliance with it, which in Revenue compliance terms is still actually very good, and suggesting something else entirely by highlighting words that support your view

Yet you are either unable or unwilling to post something that backs up your own claim about the LAs simply being inefficient at collecting it, rather than the legislation making it pi55 easy to just refuse to engage before drafting in revenue. I think I can rest my case to be honest.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119627331#Comment_119627331

And it was with that mistake that made it so easy to refuse to engage/pay the LPT, hence the need to get revenues involvement.

Thanks for at least acknowledging that, others are trying to pin the blame on the LAs who could only work with what they were given.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119623032#Comment_119623032

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119627385#Comment_119627385

This is one of your first contributions to this exchange complete with your opinion on why LPT was brought in and you've doubled down on that "haimes" opinion quite a few times. As I said it's just one opinion against another. We differ and that's life.

LAs have over €200m+ outstanding in rent, some of it for decades, up to 30% in business rates in some places, and up to half their parking fines. As they say they've got form.

xxxxxxl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119627080#Comment_119627080

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfjGSfuSQpA

Just play that on loop Unbelievable. Dunno how they survived that comment.

shirrup

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119627431#Comment_119627431

You've misread my contribution so. I offered no opinion on why LPT was brought in. I only offered an opinion on why revenue was drafted in to enforce the collections.

It's right there where you quoted me.

The reason Revenue was brought in was because FG/Lab govt didn't cod enough fools with their "Free €100" registration sham for the then HHC, and because of a massive boycott of it

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119627385#Comment_119627385

Thanks for acknowledging the actions of the populist misinformation politicians who caused the problem.

jmcc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119627540#Comment_119627540

FF went from 71 seats in the 2007 GE to 20 seats in the 2011 GE. This is what Martin wants to rehabilitate.

Regards...jmcc

jmcc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119630984#Comment_119630984

Don't think that he's quite that popular. RTE has him on programmes now and then but for most people, he reminds them of the old dodgy FF. Since FF got rid of Ahern, it has tried to reinvent itself. Bringing him back would undo all that hard work. The only possible benefit of having Ahern back for the next GE would be that the negativity about him would dominate the news cycle.

Others will remember the economic disaster of FF in government, the lost homes, the failed businesses and family members who had to emigrate. And there is probably a long list of people who committed suicide when their financial problems got too much for them. Martin was a member of Ahern's cabinet.

Regards...jmcc

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119630984#Comment_119630984

He maintained popularity outside his own constituency from 2008 to 20014?

Utter nonsense.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119623877#Comment_119623877

It'll gain them headlines alright, just not good ones!

Amazing how out of touch with the public they still are.

Bertie running for president will crash and burn spectacularly and be yet another embarrassment for FF. How can they even entertain this idea?

Why on earth does anyone still vote FF...?

Hotblack Desiato

Ahern will never ever be forgiven by the electorate. FF just don't get it.

I'm struggling to remember when FF last did "get it", 1997 maybe, sheer arrogance and bloody-mindedness has been their modus operandi ever since. They think they have a divine right to govern, never mind be elected, never mind exist, in reality they have none of the above.

I would love to see that shower totally wiped out electorally once and for all.

jmcc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119631967#Comment_119631967

They came close in 2011 with former FFer Sean Gallagher. The next presidential election will be a problem for FFG and for Labour. On the current numbers, Labour is unlikely to retain Bacik's seat in Dublin Bay South. That means that they will probably try to get her nominated as a candidate. FG has a lack of talent but Mairead McGuinness might be an option. Not sure about SF. Ni Riada was very much an SF in transition candidate (changing from Gerry Adams as leader to Mary Lou McDonald as leader and repositioning SF in the centre of the political spectrum). Ahern is the gombeen's gombeen. The fact that he's even being rehabilitated like this shows a complete leadership failure in FF (as if Troy Story hasn't made this clear already). The media landscape is also quite different to when FF was able to get friendly coverage from presstitutes. Controlling the news cycle is not that easy as it was when FF was last in government. The reception Ahern may get from the public may not be the one FF wants and it could spill over and cause reelection problems for its current TDs.

Regards...jmcc

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119632234#Comment_119632234

Fine Gael have never won a presidential election. Their candidate will not win the next one either.

jmcc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119632508#Comment_119632508

Robinson only won because FF (Lenihan) screwed up. If Lenihan hadn't given that interview, he would have been president. Then again, Obama only became president because Star Trek Voyager's 7 of 9 had marriage problems. :)

Regards...jmcc

maceoin.D.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119631967#Comment_119631967

"How can they even entertain this idea?"

I believe they know how unpopular the idea is, but they are desperate for somebody to fill the seat of the presidency to stop the other parties from gaining the power that would be needed to 'bring down the show', were they to somehow get in during the next GE. While the president isn't directly involved in the politics of the Dáil etc... they do have responsibilities that coincide with the Dáil and Seanad.

The President's powers include:

• Appointment of the Taoiseach, members of the Government, judges and other officials;
• Summoning and dissolving the Dáil, and convening the Oireachtas;
• Signing legislation into law and/or referring Bills to the Supreme Court;
• Representing the people of Ireland;
• Acting as Supreme Commander of the Defence Forces.

One thing that springs to mind from this list is MM recently calling for a rethinking of our neutrality. A president like Bertie could give FF more lease for statements such as those, and would ultimately hold the keys to make the changes happen.

They also could have an effect on bringing about another GE, seeing as they are losing popularity quickly for this upcoming one, this could be a sign that they are already hitting the panic button. During certain political events such as emergency elections (for example), the president is highly involved in the processes of the election. This is straight out of the statute book:

2. —(1) During the continuance of the present national emergency, the Taoiseach may, whenever he so thinks proper, advise the President to direct that a general election shall take place and, upon receipt of such advice, the President shall (save as is otherwise authorised by the next following sub-section of this section) direct by proclamation that a general election shall take place.

So, if Sinn Féin were to get in and form a coalition with FF for example (which I don't think is a good idea for SF personally), then they could potentially try and swing the tides back the other way. That might sound a bit far fetched, but I don't think they could turn this one around without something of that magnitude anyway.

Hotblack Desiato

Oh please. None of that is going to happen and even the most deluded FFer would not imagine holding the presidency would give them any real power.

maceoin.D.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119633853#Comment_119633853

Never said it was going to happen to be clear, just that FF were panicking. It is implied that I wouldn't put it past them but you could say that about anything sure. What do you feel is the reason they would risk putting Bertie in for a presidential election?

Hotblack Desiato

What do you feel is the reason they would risk putting Bertie in for a presidential election?

Complete and utter delusion on their part is the only one I can think of 😉

Like I said above, they still think they have a divine right to be in power.

jmcc

Looks like there's trouble over Finance and who gets to sit in the big chair.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/incoming-minister-for-finance-michael-mcgrath-clashes-with-leo-varadkar-over-eu-post-41998251.html

And, of course, Varadkar is at the centre of it.

Regards...jmcc

xxxxxxl

lol promising the job before the other fella gets in. Cat amongst the pigeons.

jmcc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119635492#Comment_119635492

Varadkar is just a liability to both FF and FG at this stage.

Regards...jmcc

BonnieSituation

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119633151#Comment_119633151

This is like wishing to beat Kerry in an AIF. Sure it's the sweetest of sweet victories. But they may just win it. I'd rather they didn't get out of Munster.

Ahern being humiliated is not worth the potential of the awful vista of him in the Áras.

The rehabilitation attempt may finally see off FF. So again, part of me is here for it. But then again, I've seen this movie before.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119635459#Comment_119635459

Have to agree, at the watercooler this morning all the talk was about who gets to sit in the big chair............nobody talked about housing, or cost-of-living or any such nonsense.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119635459#Comment_119635459

Very embarrassing that the coalition of chaos did not agree this after the election. They had months of negotiations and these are key roles. To be negotiating it now in public is amateur hour but we're not one bit surprised, are we...

rob316

Ahern is a crook but he would still run rings around the caliber of FF today. Don't know why the party leadership would readmit him to the party.

BonnieSituation

I love how the health service gets caught out by winter every year. So unexpected.

jmcc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119636783#Comment_119636783

The problem seems to be that Finance is part of the agreement and this is just Varadkar being Varadkar. Martin has been such a weak leader of FF that there may be an expectation that he'll just agree to FG keeping Finance. Even the Indo seems somewhat surprised at McGrath's smackdown of Varadkar.

Regards...jmcc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119636904#Comment_119636904

They want him as a president,with a push for border poll over next few years

British been briefing Irish offials behind scenes since mid August and have seemingly had to recatorgarise several areas to fudge results....we have reached a demographic tipping point and many softer unionist content creators been nudged towards the inevitable on social media,

with preliminary census results out tomorrow.....can't see SF agreeing to sit in an reelected stormont without clarity on what's needed to met criteria on a border poll

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119635459#Comment_119635459

Would seem FG want one rule for emselves....the fact they forced through Garda drivers for Coveney,would say to me,that FF lack ability to hold ground against em..

But FG are in such disarray,they can't handle an election at a time when country is likely facing rolling blackouts......if McGrath/Martin want this role,they can simply offer to go to country in place of getting it