FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3 - Threadbanned User List in OP

Cluedo Monopoly

Well It looks like O'Leary's intervention worked and anti drone technology is getting the priority it deserves.

Ryan's secret plot to reduce air transport in order to combat climate change has been thwarted.

howiya

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120309545#Comment_120309545

The NPRF has been dead since 2014 due to the absence of excellent and prudent management of the public finances.

First it was raided for recapitalising the banks. Then we said we couldnt afford to contribute the 1% anymore so stopped calling it a pension reserve and ISIF was born.

dasa29

New Poll

https://twitter.com/oconnellhugh/status/1632070650775961602?s=20

Sunday Independent/Ireland Thinks poll shows major gains for SocDems - but Sinn Féin at 18-month low.

SF 29 (-2)

FG 21 (-1)

FF 19 (+1)

GP 4 (-)

Behold, the Holly Cairns effect

SD 9 (+5)

S-PBP 2 (-1)

Aontú 3 (-1)

Lab 3 (-1)

Ind/Oth 10 (-)

jmcc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120314071#Comment_120314071

Funny that Blue Hugh concentrates on SF while the big story is that of the SocDems rising to 9%. Don't think that there was any such increase in support for Labour when Bacik took over.

Regards...jmcc

Blut2

Holly Cairns is a lot more unique (different generation demographically to any other party leader, and the newest as a politician in general too) as a leadership candidate to be fair. Arguably a lot better too - none of the baggage that Bacik has from decades of lost elections.

It does remain to be seen if she proves an effective leader, but having more party leaders not already over the retirement age like her predecessors can only be a good thing.

Cluedo Monopoly

I wonder now who will be FF leader at next election. I think it will be Michael McGrath.

BoxcarWilliam99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120317094#Comment_120317094

I hope Stephen Donnelly. He would be an ideal replacement for MM.

Talking talking talking but never saying anything.

markodaly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120314071#Comment_120314071

Lowest polling numbers for 18 months for SF.

The trend is down for them.

Meanwhile, someone like Holly Cairns can come along and steal their lunch.

CarProblem

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120320621#Comment_120320621

I actually agree with you for once

I've said it a lot since 2020 - a lot of SF's vote isn't for SF it's (IMO of course) people voting against the the likes of FF/FG. SF until now was the main beneficiary and is not at all guaranteed to continue to be the main beneficiary

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120321625#Comment_120321625

Yep there's a massive floating vote on the centre left that can choose to rally en masse behind one particular party for reasons that are not entirely discerible to the observer. It came out for Labour in 2011 and SF in 2020. I doubt many of those voters could have told you in any detail why those parties were so much better than all the other options on the left but

Blut2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120320621#Comment_120320621

There isn't really much "stealing lunch" in our PRSTV system, particularly by a smaller party from a bigger party. And even more particularly between ideologically aligned parties. The SocDems are unlikely to run that many candidates, and in the few constituencies that they do run most of their voters will very likely given SF a second preference.

So even if the SocDems surged at SF's expense it would likely only result in a swing of less than 5 seats at very most. With those exact same seats likely to go into government in coalition with each other either way anyway.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120323290#Comment_120323290

I think Holly Cairns will play each side. She will castigate the current Government but won't rule out going into coalition with them. She will raise questions about SF's past and also climate change. That will allow her to choose after the election, but more importantly, in an electoral contest, will allow the party to pick up preferences from all sides.

Brussels Sprout

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120323290#Comment_120323290

I understand the point that you are making, with regard to preferences and transfers but I think there is an implicit assumption there that voters vote efficiently. That's not the case though. At any election if you look at the transfers there's always a significant number of exhausted ballots at the end of each round. These are from voters who may have only listed three, two or even only a single preference and end up ultimately not helping anyone to be elected.

One of the reasons that the left has always under-performed in election is that they have so many different parties. Transferring across parties happens at lower rates than transferring within parties. So if you have 5 or 6 different left-wing parties, when only 1 one those candidates is left standing then the sum of their transfers is often less than the sum of the total votes of the other candidates - because of all of this wastage.

In the context of SF and the Soc Dems, this can mean that a no-hoper Soc Dem candidate may take votes off of SF and many of those votes may never return to the SF candidate even after the Soc Dem candidate is eliminated.

Cluedo Monopoly

Votes over Citizens.

When homelessness is at record levels (11,000+), it's clear now this was a political decision and more concerned about timing.

Revealed: the ‘political’ motive to lift ban on evictions - Independent.ie

Cabinet feared spike in homeless numbers during May 2024 voting.

The Government feared an extension of the no-fault eviction ban would have seen a dramatic increase in homeless numbers close to the European and local elections next year, the Sunday Independent can reveal.

The political motivation behind the decision to end the ban this month — rather than in six to 12 months’ time.

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Too transparent FFG, you will reap what you sow.

Cluedo Monopoly

Genius. He does nothing!

https://twitter.com/DrHaroldNews/status/1634626019083657218

Coolcormack1979

We could have a general election by June 23 yet.if there’s this explosion in evictions it’s going to be very hard to hid that

72sheep

O'Gorman out looking for brownie points on the weekend highlighting the critical need for the regulation of social media, LOL!

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-41091286.html

redlough

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120350213#Comment_120350213

Why are you laughing at a TD getting online abuse?

72sheep

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120353679#Comment_120353679

Cause our caring TD is brazenly executing a pernicious policy that 84% of voters disagree with and is now protesting about the lack of civility in public discourse. You're right though, it's not LOL, it's ROFL!!

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120354153#Comment_120354153

Even if he is brazenly executing a pernicious policy that 84% of voters disagree with, he doesn't deserve the type of online abuse he has been subjected to.

Cluedo Monopoly

I'll be honest, I like O'Gorman because he did a decent enough job of the Mother and Baby home scandal after decades of inaction by FFG. I also have no doubt that he is being abused online because of his sexuality. Ireland is full of Neanderthals still and the criminal organisation in Rome doesn't help matters.

Ask yourself too why cabinet haven't stopped O'Gorman in any way. They have approved all his actions even though they don't exactly help him too often. He has become their Scapegoat. Think Alan Kelly and Irish Water.

72sheep

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120354609#Comment_120354609

You are crediting O'Gorman with too much basic humanity. He knows what he's doing. He knows there is not even close to majority public support. He does not care.

It's funny because he's now proving his mettle by pretending to be sensitive* to the online grief (that he knows he more than deserves). This is to build support for the regulation of online activities. As an extra bonus point he may even be able to get the ball rolling for TD and ex-TD's to have garda escorts ;-)

[* O'Gorman would characterise this tactic as his "having the strength to being open to being vulnerable in a very public setting" - OMG, again ROFL!!]

Blut2

O'Gorman in February 2021 was tweeting out in each of French, Albanian, Arabic, Somali, Urdu and Georgian about new arrivals to Ireland being welcome and a new softer system than direct provision being in the works to accommodate them.

He was literally encouraging people to come here from low risk countries, and as a result Albania and Georgia were two of the top 4 sources of our asylum seekers in 2022.

Its absolutely crazy behaviour, its indefensible. At a time of a housing crisis encouraging people to move here for economic reasons from safe countries and claim asylum, when the vast majority of the Irish public would be hugely against the idea (if given the choice...).

When you go on solo runs pushing very unpopular policies you're always going to get justified negative feedback from the public.

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120354882#Comment_120354882

It's funny because he's now proving his mettle by pretending to be sensitive* to the online grief (that he knows he more than deserves).

He deserves "daily abuse over his sexuality"?

72sheep

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120355014#Comment_120355014

O'Gorman is brazenly executing a pernicious policy that 84% of voters disagree with. They are adding on top of this already abusive behaviour by floating a story about the nature of the insults to see if they can cause another "Modern Ireland" distraction. We're supposed to believe that O'Gorman, who can easily ignore the vast majority of Irish voters on critical issues, is a delicate soul when it comes to nasty online comments. And again, ROFL !!!

redlough

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120354153#Comment_120354153

Again, why are you laughing at online abuse?

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120354882#Comment_120354882

What a load of absolute rubbish. As I live in Dublin 15, I have met O'Gorman, he is definitely a man with plenty of humanity.

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120355394#Comment_120355394

So what exactly are you saying here? Thatn O'Gorman is lying about the homophobic abuse? Or that if a gay politician is implementing allegedly unpopular policies, he deserves to be abused online because of his sexuality.

72sheep

Folks, I don't think we're going to meet in the middle here:

I'm concerned that O'Gorman is knowingly going against the wishes of the people and is greatly distressing communities far and wide across Ireland. 

Whereas you appear equally preoccupied that those affected/provoked by O'Gorman's humanity/actions are expressing themselves in a crude manner.

We don't need to agree on everything so I'll leave it at that :-)

redlough

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120356960#Comment_120356960

Everyone should agree that online abuse and bullying is wrong. I have no interest in Gorman's politics but you are laughing at online abuse.

So maybe you should clarify that.