FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3 - Threadbanned User List in OP

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121112551#Comment_121112551

I've given up on the greens in this area, 5 years in government, budget surpluses that are perfect for large capital projects and they're messing around blocking LNG capacity (while we burn dirty dirty coal), going after speed limits and increasing taxes ad infinitum without offering alternatives, they've been abjectly useless.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121113776#Comment_121113776

Complete and utter drivel. Just look at the Sinn Fein proposals. The Western Rail Corridor and the Navan rail line????? Seriously??? Neither will do anything for reducing emissions, neither will do anything for improving Dublin. And they will only commit €23m to them. That would hardly even pay for a feasibility study. A joke.

Public transport is the number one issue in Dublin because it enables sustainable intensive development. Without public transport, you can only build houses around the fringes of Dublin adding to the climate change issues, adding to the congestion, adding to the problems. Sinn Fein's policies are half-baked, disconnected and bordering on lunacy in aspects.

Extending the Short Hop zone only incentivises people living far from the city, another silly proposal. You extend the Short hop zone when you have fast rail links built.

JP Liz V1

Unexpected death of a young Meath FF County Councillor, 40, Damien O'Reilly, RIP

72sheep

Just heard a Newstalk clip with Taoiseach Leo discussing the newly proposed road restrictions from the NTA. Leo encouraged citizens to engage in the Public Consultation process to share their views. But remember how they completely disregarded the citizens overwhelming response to the Public Consultation on the hate speech legislation! Unless you are directly relative, voting for FFG is a form of self-abuse.

Murph85

The 30, 000 houses a year they claim is enough , is nowhere near enough... a huge amount of the wealth dublin generates, leaves dublin to be spent on rural Ireland. After decades of paying lunatic marginal tax rates over a pittance of an income, i think Dubliners should expect something resembling even a second world transport system...

"Metronorth and Dart+ have made near zero progress in the last 12 years of FG dominated governments. If they had actually been "fast tracked" construction would have begun long ago. Holding them up as achievements of the current government is rather hilarious. They're both far more likely to actually be built under a left-wing government that spends money on infrastructure." Correct , both had planning permission. They were cut to " save" money. Laughable now that both schemes will cost over ten billion more to construct now...

astrofool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121121181#Comment_121121181

Yet none on the left have fast-tracking in their manifesto.

Every party is going to claim they'll spend more than others, what's needed is restructuring in health, planning and how taxes are redistributed (and where taxes will be cut so people have more money).

Most on the "left" right now have essentially no environmental policy and no answers to the hard questions, which makes it hard to argue for them as an alternative to the current government (I use left in quotes as SF have become a centrist populist single issue party but the lefty voters haven't realised this and will be reduced to tears if and when they get into power).

Though I do laugh at those that think the state building homes would be anything other than a ridiculously expensive disaster.

Larbre34

Its already begun, the Land Development Agency have contracted a number of large developments entirely to their specifications on public land. The first one nearing completion will be at Woodbrook-Shanganagh in south Dublin

Hotblack Desiato

Though I do laugh at those that think the state building homes would be anything other than a ridiculously expensive disaster.

It was done in the 1930s and the 1950s very successfully, it can be done again. I grew up in a late-50s build Dublin Corpo home. Unfortunately in the 60s we got Ballymun and Darndale done on the cheap with a heavy long-term cost, but social housing doesn't have to be like that.

a huge amount of the wealth dublin generates, leaves dublin to be spent on rural Ireland. After decades of paying lunatic marginal tax rates over a pittance of an income, i think Dubliners should expect something resembling even a second world transport system...

For the entire history of the State we have had anti-Dublin and anti-urban governments. At the very least we should retain all Dublin LPT revenue in Dublin. But LPT is set far too low (and I say this as a homeowner who would end up paying far more in a normal Western country property tax regime)

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121121181#Comment_121121181

Not a chance that a left-wing government will retain the current public transport plans. The Irish left are very very poor on climate change issues and public transport. The only policy that they seem to have is give people more money and let somebody else pay.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121123998#Comment_121123998

In the 1930s and 1950s we had rampant emigration and the population was declining. The tale of housebuilding at the time is more of a myth than a truth.

There were 10,263 social houses delivered in 2022, which is around twice the level of the 1930s when there were hardly any houses other than social housing being built.

Blut2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121126379#Comment_121126379

There were only approx 6,500 social houses delivered in 2022 according to the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform: https://www.thejournal.ie/were-more-social-homes-built-in-2022-than-any-other-year-in-the-states-history-5974458-Jan2023/

This is at a time when the Irish population was over 5million, and when we're one of the richest countries in the world. For comparison, in 1975 the Irish state built 8,800 social houses, at a time when our population was 3.2mn and we were one of the poorest countries in Europe.

Per capita, if we were at least matching what the poverty and corruption riddled Irish state in the 1970s managed, we'd be building approaching 14,000 social housing units per year. In reality we could, and should, be hitting 20,000 or more if the political will was there.

Imagine how much more functional the private sector rental market would be if the 60,000 households currently on HAP in it were instead in social housing - as they should be.

Imagine how much more functional the private sector housing to buy market would be if the government was building its own social housing, instead of leasing entire blocs of apartments, literally outbidding taxpayers with their own money.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121126379#Comment_121126379

Have you got figures for social builds in the 30s-50s?

There were whole very large suburbs of Dublin built in the 1930s and again in the 1950s. Places like Crumlin which in the 1920s had literally been fields.

Looking at the fairly static population of the country as a whole in that period doesn't mean there was no demand or requirement for housing. Whole swathes of slums and tenements had to be cleared (not before time either) and the % of the population living in urban areas was increasing.

Blut2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121131165#Comment_121131165

The average figure for the 1930s was 3,845 social housing units per year (38,450 across the decade total), 5,250 for the 1950s (52,250 across the decade total).

But in 1936 we had a population of only 3mn, and 2.9mn in 1955. So their per capita equivalents for 2023 would be 6,535 units for the 1930s and 9,232 for the 1950s.

Which given the actual figure the Department of Public expenditure gives for 2022 is 6,500 means we're still slightly under 1930 levels of construction, miles behind the 1950s or 1970s. ie blanch152's figures are completely incorrect. Its a very stark comparison given the condition the state was in in the 1930s, 1950s or 1970s economically.

For reference in the last decade from 2013-2022 we only completed an average of 3,072 social housing units per year - almost 25% less than the 1930s on a raw number, nevermind the per capita. At a time of both huge economic prosperity and rapid population growth, both in direct contrast to the opposite in the 1930s.

Thats an astonishingly low level, and its why we now have 60,000 households on HAP costing the state €1bn a year (and climbing rapidly), occupying rental units that should be available to the private sector instead. It was an ideological choice of our FG dominated governments of the time to not build social housing, that has now been shown to have been very very foolish.

72sheep

Just when you thought Russell Brand was getting a savaging over in the UK, wait till you see what the FFG journo brigade do to the President after these comments about the Holy of Holies UN, LOL!

https://www.irishtimes.com/health/2023/09/19/united-nations-losing-credibility-over-failure-to-stop-war-and-famine-says-higgins/

JP Liz V1

Why are all out of the country when Dail has returned, why so many away, that carbon footprint great for climate change

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121131630#Comment_121131630

Don't agree with Pres Higgins on alot of stuff but he's bang on here. The UN has turned into an impotent talking shop that's as toothless as the League of Nations was in the run up to WW2. And WTF are Varadker, Martin and Ryan all doing in NY at the same time? Macron and Sunak haven't even gone and we send 3??

72sheep

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121134996#Comment_121134996

Don't forget Minister Donelly is over there as well.

They will all be lined up at the front of every class at the UN, sitting bolt upright and competing with each other to see who can raise their hand fastest whenever the teacher asks a question. There's just no stopping them "working for the Irish people" ;-)

Cluedo Monopoly

Almost every week we learn of yet another government failure. They are a complete bunch of spoofers. All talk and no action.

This was a headline today.

No schools fitted with solar panels a year on from climate announcement (irishexaminer.com)

No schools fitted with solar panels a year on from climate announcement

Not one school has yet been fitted with solar panels a year on from when the €50m climate action scheme was first announced, the Oireachtas education committee has heard.

The committee met on Tuesday with officials from the school building unit of the Department of Education.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121134996#Comment_121134996

All for show. Their only concern now is future cushy EU/UN jobs. They have failed us as politicians.

JP Liz V1

Catherine Martin just as bad as RTE for perks

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/politics/arid-41240584.html

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121195666#Comment_121195666

Schools are all independently run so it's up to each BOM/principal to arrange minor works etc.

WishUWereHere

This post has nothing to do with the thread’s title. But I cannot find the correct thread, Mods feel free to move if I’m wrong:

Labour. They hoodwinked the public and sidled with FG 15 years ago. Today they come out with this:

https://www.thejournal.ie/labour-free-medical-assessment-6186663-Oct2023/

Do they honestly believe they will be given another chance?

Murph85

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121195666#Comment_121195666

Probably Requires ten public consultations in fairness...

blanch152

Almost every week, we learn of yet another Government success with the country moving forwards and getting better.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2023/1006/1409271-agriculture-ireland/

"A newly published sustainability report on Irish agriculture in 2022 notes there was a decrease in greenhouse gas emissions from dairy, cattle, sheep and tillage farms."

"The findings on emissions largely tally with a recent report from the Environmental Protections Agency, which found emissions from the agricultural sector dropped 1.4%last year."

The Greens in government are having an impact.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121200484#Comment_121200484

😂 Did you read the article?

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The report said was largely due to a reduction in the use of chemical nitrogen fertiliser. For the same reason, farm level emissions on cattle sheep and tillage farms also declined.

The report pointed out the reduction in use of nitrogen fertilisers was likely due to high prices before and after the start of the war in Ukraine

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Did the Greens start the war in Ukraine?? Pathetic claim.

Cluedo Monopoly

Try this link

EPA reveals just how far Ireland is from reaching emissions targets (irishexaminer.com)

EPA reveals just how far Ireland is from reaching emissions targets

Stark new figures have revealed how far off course Ireland is from reaching its greenhouse gas emissions targets by the end of the decade.

By then, the goal was to have reduced emissions by 51%. However, according to the Environmental Protection Agency, they are on course to have been cut by just 29% — with key sectors such as agriculture and transport way off target.

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There are targets but there is no plan apart from "hope for the best".

Cluedo Monopoly

Ireland had highest EU greenhouse gas emissions per capita in Q2 last year – new report | Independent.ie

Ireland had the highest emissions of greenhouse gases per head in all of the EU in the second quarter of last year, according to a new Eurostat report.

Ireland’s emissions still continue to rise despite government commitments for many years to lower the country’s carbon footprint. The data is reported up to Q2 of 2022 and shows Ireland’s emissions grew once again, making it the biggest emitter per capita in the EU.

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Failure after Failure

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121201505#Comment_121201505

Well adding tens of thousands of people to the overall population in just 2 years - albeit "temporarily" - isn't going to help matters.

But our impact at global level to the "crisis" is minimal - yet to listen to our media and Greens, you'd be forgiven for thinking the future of civilisation depends on Paddy getting the bus or cycling more.

Galwayguy35

Varadkar seems to have annoyed our neighbours across the pond saying they are disengaging from the world.

In would be more in his line to sort out the mess in our own country rather than giving the Brits a lecture on what they should be doing.

Blut2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121200484#Comment_121200484

https://www.irishexaminer.com/business/economy/arid-41139556.html

They sure are, a 12.3% increase in overall Irish emissions in 2022. One of only 4 countries in all of Europe to have an increase, and the highest in all of Europe at that.

"Moving forwards and getting better" indeed.