FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3 - Threadbanned User List in OP

An Claidheamh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121419933#Comment_121419933

As noted by the Sunday Business Post, their polling took place before the Dublin riots

SF and others will shoot up in next month’s poll, FFG’s budget dividend has been shattered by the lack of policing

An Claidheamh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121431105#Comment_121431105

Martin has gotten FF TDs into a pickle, saying the whole party supports her/will support her in vote of no confidence

“ MICHEÁL MARTIN has said he fully supports the Justice Minister Helen McEntee and that he is confident she will have the full backing of Fianna Fáil TDs if it comes to a vote of no confidence in her.

His comments come after Fianna Fáil senators Timmy Dooley and Erin McGreehan called for the Garda Commissioner to resign in the wake of last week’s riots in Dublin and following a number of Fianna Fáil TDs privately expressing to the media, privately over the weekend, that the minister’s position is untenable.”

hmmm ….

An Claidheamh

https://www.thejournal.ie/helen-mcentee-no-confidence-motion-6234894-Nov2023/

“Sinn Féin leader Mary Lou McDonald criticised Government TDs for not being present on the scene of last week’s stabbing incident in Dublin.”

That’s strange, I thought local TD Paschal Donoghue was fond of walking about in our safe city - must not have been a Garda escort available

Cluedo Monopoly

Clear from Drew Harris just now at Oireachtas that the Gardai will only now get extra tools and resources to deal with public order and policing Dublin city centre. As always this government is always reactive and never proactive. They never plan for anything. McEntee is hanging by a thread.

Kermit.de.frog

It is needed. Dublin City Center has had no attention despite warnings about the state of the place for years and years.

This year it has finally come to a head the serious crime issues in the city.

He also said they are to acquire 2 water cannons for permanent use.

Most western countries don't use water cannon. The water cannon in Northern Ireland can not be used in GB for example.

If you're having to have water cannon in the first place then it's an acknowledgement things have gone very wrong.

Topgear on Dave

Buying water cannons are the stupidest thing I have ever heard of.

They'll sit parked 365 days a year in the phoenix park, won't be needed for another 10 years and the day they are suddenly needed they'll be in the workshops or in the other end of the country.

US3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121433397#Comment_121433397

I think they'll have to buy more of them if they keep going the way they're going.

Cluedo Monopoly

McEntee calling the rioters "scumbags" today in the Dail. Interesting. I wonder is that hate speech...

I think she is toast.

lmimmfn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121433397#Comment_121433397

Maybe they could use them to wash the **** off our political establishment, although I think that may be too hard to remove at this stage.

MegamanBoo

I think what FFG will struggle with is clamping down on some of the rural anti-immigration protests.

Not sure if the lads setting up road blocks and boarding buses were directly connected with the riot organisers, but they can't keep turning a blind eye to that and claiming zero tolerance for the far-right.

If I recall wasn't Cathal Crowe even our offering to act as spokesperson for one of those road block groups?

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121435426#Comment_121435426

The government have no plan, no strategy, no forecasts, no vision when it comes to immigration. It's just reactionary chaos as per usual. Same as health and housing. They have no communications plan for the public. If that lack of change management was the culture/practice in any normal organisation, it would not last long as a going concern. They dont tackle problems head on ever. They just think they can operate in a clueless and yet sneaky fashion and think the public will accept everything. History will show this government to be one of the worst in the state's history. Every aspect of our society is falling apart (housing, health, policing, environment etc) and only the massive American MNCs is keeping us afloat thanks to our tax haven status.

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121433397#Comment_121433397

Tell that to the people who complained vociferously we didn't have enough salting and gritting machines in 2009/10. Lack of resources for events because they are fairly unprecedented is rarely accepted as an excuse by the voting public. Of course they then move on to complaining about the waste of them being there when they are not needed...

I tend to agree it's not a particularly good idea. More Garda presence on an continuous basis on the streets is what is needed. But democracy awards big flashy shows of action rather than incremental effectiveness.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121435491#Comment_121435491

All that salt we bought in bulk for years after 2010 did go to waste. It was hardly used and it has a lifespan so had to be dumped.

We equalled a record this year for the lateness of the first frost.

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121435505#Comment_121435505

Well exactly.

People complain when you plan for things that don't materialise and people complain when you don't plan for unexpected events that do.

US3

A Fianna Fáil councilor called for the ritors to be shot in the heat or beaten by the public untill they die. He actually said this in the limerick council chamber and refused to retract it when asked. Mental

Heres a link from the limerick post

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.limerickpost.ie/2023/11/29/id-like-to-see-them-shot-in-the-head-councillors-hard-line-on-dublin-riots/&ved=2ahUKEwjP8Oq_puqCAxUPV0EAHawBDtIQFnoECBsQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0os_ZoK50jTQvL0arvg4Km

WishUWereHere

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121433024#Comment_121433024

Totally agree here. But when you have a minister of justice and a commission denial what hope is there?

McEntee is way out of her depth, & I’m of the opinion she is only there because of her gender.

As for Harris? He came out saying the full rigours of the law will be thrown at these thugs. I’m still waiting for him to say where the prison space is for those found guilty.

Real Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121435619#Comment_121435619

Bit of a headache for poor old Michael

Augme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121435781#Comment_121435781

You do realise Commissioner Harris isn't responsible for price space or even sentencing either?

An Claidheamh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121435426#Comment_121435426

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-41276698.html

Another FFer supporting the anti-immigrant and anti-library worker twits

Peter Flynt

I suppose criticising FF/FG is now soon to be hate speech?

Cluedo Monopoly

I saw some people blaming GSOC somehow for the inability of the Gardai to control the riots recently. I argued that our police force absolutely needs oversight and that people have very short memories re how corrupt and inefficient the Gardai were in the recent past. Inept commissioners and justice ministers obviously made it worse.

This is the reality around GSOC. Just like SIPO in many ways...FFG governments don't do reform or accountability as we know.

Dáil’s public spending watchdog has ‘serious concerns’ over resourcing of Gsoc – The Irish Times

The Dáil’s public spending watchdog is to contact the Department of Justice to raise what one member described as “serious concerns” over the resourcing of the Garda Síochána Ombudsman Commission (Gsoc) and the length of time it is taking to deal with cases. It comes after Gsoc wrote to the Public Accounts Committee (PAC) to update it on its investigation into alleged historic financial irregularities at the Garda training college in Templemore.

Gsoc chairman Rory MacCabe SC told the committee that one issue raised during the investigation has been resourcing. He wrote: “At risk of my rehearsing the broken record that I and my predecessors have in the past articulated to your members – be aware that Gsoc continues to experience serious challenges with respect to resourcing, which has and continues to have a significant impact our capacity to deal with an ever-increasing caseload and on the duration of investigations”.

Questions have been raised about the length of time Gsoc investigations take in the wake of last week’s riots in Dublin. There have been calls from Garda representative groups to reduce the impact of such investigations on their members, with suggestions that some gardaí had been unwilling to use force against rioters last week due to a fear of being investigated by Gsoc.

In recent days Gsoc said it was “concerned at the suggestion” the “independent oversight of policing by Gsoc may have a role in hindering” the Garda’s “ability to effectively and appropriately address public order incidents”. This was “categorically not the case” as it did not discipline, suspend or prosecute gardaí.

Cluedo Monopoly

SF have put down a no confidence motion on McEntee. It makes sense. She has been floundering for a long long time. It will irk many FFG TDs to have to back her. We really need to get away from inheriting seats from parents. It's not right in a modern democracy.

Augme

You'd almost feel sorry for McEntee at this stage. Watching someone so out of their depth in such a public manner has been uncomfortable. I haven't been too impressed with Harris response to the rios but I do feel he deserves a chance under a semi-competent Minister for Justice before he's fully judged.

twinytwo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121441559#Comment_121441559

Nothing really stopping her from stepping down. Only reasons for her to stay.. 1. Ego 2. Hate Speech bill.

twinytwo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121435808#Comment_121435808

The man has been a TD since 1989 and has been involved in nearly every government **** show of the last 30 years. 30 years at a job and still a dithering idiot. His sole contributions have been " Im shocked" or "but but sinn fein", as he along with the rest of the government are incapable of answering even basic questions. How he continues to get elected is beyond me.

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121441608#Comment_121441608

Nothing stopping you from just quitting your job either. Weird way to frame it.

I presume she doesn't think she should step down.

Podge_irl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121441527#Comment_121441527

TDs don't inherit seats. The electorate votes for them. Removing all agency from the voting public is ridiculous.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121441641#Comment_121441641

The party selects the candidates first. She became a TD because of a sympathy vote for her father. The McEntees are popular in Meath. She did not get that seat due to competency and the 3 unwise men should not have made her a minister for Justice unless she was capable. She isn't.

Yet another ministry that is utterly failing in the coalition of chaos. Don't worry, health and housing will be in the news for all the wrong reasons again soon.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121441641#Comment_121441641

You are indeed correct, TDs do not inherit seats.

However, there is one area where seats can be inherited - council seats when a councillor gets elected to the Dail. In that case, the councillor (or his party) have the right to nominate his/her replacement. So family members can be nominated.

One of the most recent examples of this happening was when Cllr. Paul Donnelly was elected to the Dail in Dublin West for Sinn Fein. His council seat went to his wife.

You won't hear too much about that incident from the serial complainers.

twinytwo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121441638#Comment_121441638

Big difference though. If i was as bad at my job as she is at hers, I would be fired.

Do you think she should not resign?