FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3 - Threadbanned User List in OP

Cluedo Monopoly

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Mary Lou is not in government and I do not support SF.

Do you not think its disengenous to diss a government decision taken with opposition support and with no foreknowledge of the hindenberg rocket ship effect of the British variant?

Finty Lemon

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I never did Finty.

Mis-representation and lies again. Glad I didn't waste time debating with you. good luck now.

Back up on the ditch again. Enjoy

FrancieBrady

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Back up on the ditch again. Enjoy

Yep, away from those who need to mis-represent and lie about what was said to defend.
Had enough of them, ta very much.

Cluedo Monopoly

Marine Layer wrote: »

Do you not think its disengenous to diss a government decision taken with opposition support and with no foreknowledge of the hindenberg rocket ship effect of the British variant?

Nope. This is a government thread. The government took the decision against the advice of NPHET. I dont care what SF thought. The decision has led to 4 months of Level 5. Own it FFGG.

Cluedo Monopoly

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Nope. This is a government thread. The government took the decision against the advice of NPHET. I dont care what SF thought. The decision has led to 4 months of Level 5. Own it FFGG.

Probably would have happened anyway and worse
At least some of the socialising up to xmas was in a controlled environment
The public would not have accepted a pre xmas lock down
You have the benefit of hindsight which is always unreasonable

Finty Lemon

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I never did Finty.

Mis-representation and lies again. Glad I didn't waste time debating with you. good luck now.

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Nope. This is a government thread. The government took the decision against the advice of NPHET. I dont care what SF thought. The decision has led to 4 months of Level 5. Own it FFGG.

Pandemic spike in every European country at Christmas. Own that FF and FG. Jaysis.

Finty Lemon

Why was there such a high rate in NI where FG and FF were not in power? Hmmm

Finty Lemon

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Why was there such a high rate in NI where FG and FF were not in power? Hmmm

Westminster I suppose will be trotted out as the excuse. Not new variants of a a very new novel coronavirus.

Cluedo Monopoly

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Pandemic spike in every European country at Christmas. Own that FF and FG. Jaysis.

On the 1st December we had a 7 day average of 237.

On 8th January we had a 7 day average of 6363 (8227 new cases that day)

A 26 fold increase.

Are you saying other EU countries surged worse than that in relative terms? Did they also have a health system as badly prepared after decades of FFG mismanagement?

Martin himself admitted opening pubs and restuarants for Christmas was a major mistake.

FrancieBrady

Marine Layer wrote: »

Probably would have happened anyway and worse
At least some of the socialising up to xmas was in a controlled environment
The public would not have accepted a pre xmas lock down
You have the benefit of hindsight which is always unreasonable

Isn't that just typical.

Blame the public. The government were warned that what they were doing was mistaken. Hindsight is not an excuse either.

The public have done all that was asked of them. Didn't the last person making these filthy attacks on the public get shown a poll showing that the public thought the lockdown wasn't strong enough at one point.

All we can do is hope the government have gotten it right this time.

Finty Lemon

Deleted User wrote: »

Westminster I suppose will be trotted out as the excuse. Not new variants of a a very new novel coronavirus.

There was a massive spike in NI at Christmas. Monaghan and Donegal and Louth were worst hit in ROI post-Christmas. Maybe cross border contamination had more to do with the ROI issue than a technicality in implementation of measures? That would seem logical, but like many opinions on here, remains devoid of any factual proof.

FrancieBrady

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

On the 1st December we had a 7 day average of 237.

On 8th January we had a 7 day average of 6363 (8227 new cases that day)

A 26 fold increase.

Are you saying other EU countries surged worse than that in relative terms? Did they also have a health system as badly prepared after decades of FFG mismanagement?

Martin himself admitted opening pubs and restuarants for Christmas was a major mistake.

He did, and then blamed the media for overstating the relevance of the expert advice given to him that he ignored. Varadkar also admitted that they opened up too quick and too much.

Un-fecking- believable.

Finty Lemon

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

On the 1st December we had a 7 day average of 237.

On 8th January we had a 7 day average of 6363 (8227 new cases that day)

A 26 fold increase.

Are you saying other EU countries surged worse than that in relative terms? Did they also have a health system as badly prepared after decades of FFG mismanagement?

Martin himself admitted opening pubs and restuarants for Christmas was a major mistake.

24x in Spain
15x in Finland
20x in Czechia
22x in Portugal
32x in France
Irelands health system as measured by morbidity and mortality, coped very well. In relative terms.

Cluedo Monopoly

Finty Lemon wrote: »

24x in Spain
15x in Finland
20x in Czechia
22x in Portugal
32x in France
Irelands health system as measured by morbidity and mortality, coped very well. In relative terms.

I will take your first two. Spain & Finland

Spain
1st Dec - 7 Day Average = 9115
11th Jan - 7 Day Average = 23087
A 2.5 fold increase.

Finland
1st Dec - 7 Day Average = 461
8th Jan - 7 Day Average = 256
A decrease

I assume you made up the rest too

Finty Lemon

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

I will take your first two. Spain & Finland

Spain
1st Dec - 7 Day Average = 9115
11th Jan - 7 Day Average = 23087
A 2.5 fold increase.

Finland
1st Dec - 7 Day Average = 461
8th Jan - 7 Day Average = 256
A decrease

I assume you made up the rest too

Whats with the arbitrary choice of dates?

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Isn't that just typical.

Blame the public. The government were warned that what they were doing was mistaken. Hindsight is not an excuse either.

The public have done all that was asked of them. Didn't the last person making these filthy attacks on the public get shown a poll showing that the public thought the lockdown wasn't strong enough at one point.

All we can do is hope the government have gotten it right this time.

“ The public have done all that was asked of them.”. Were the public asked to ignore common sense and mix with all and sundry? Or did the Public do the sensible thing and mix with as few as possible, for the greater good. Our old mate ‘Personal Responsibility’ comes in to play. How many thought it vital to visit granny or grandpa, even though they were happy to stay in isolation? Shur, Twas there right to see nana and grandpa, no matter nana and grandpa’s wishes.

Finty Lemon

Finland in early March 832. Running higher not lower
Spain 10th Feb 103,000

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Isn't that just typical.

Blame the public. The government were warned that what they were doing was mistaken. Hindsight is not an excuse either.

The public have done all that was asked of them. Didn't the last person making these filthy attacks on the public get shown a poll showing that the public thought the lockdown wasn't strong enough at one point.

All we can do is hope the government have gotten it right this time.

Lol Francie
Tisn't China we live in
People are breaking rules right left and centre,your virtue signalling aside
We can't send them all off to be with the Uighars
Just like you expect us to believe 44,000 pro SF posts cannot be from a member or employee,credit us with some inteligence as to what went on or is going on in the country minus the virtue signalling
If we remained locked down in December we would still be now with even less compliance
Human nature unless you're in China and get imprisoned

Shebean

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

On the 1st December we had a 7 day average of 237.

On 8th January we had a 7 day average of 6363 (8227 new cases that day)

A 26 fold increase.

Are you saying other EU countries surged worse than that in relative terms? Did they also have a health system as badly prepared after decades of FFG mismanagement?

Martin himself admitted opening pubs and restuarants for Christmas was a major mistake.

I read that. They certainly accepted they made poor decisions. I think they were looking to be popular. I see 'we all partied' is still the popular excuse.
Going pretty good now. I hope things continue to pick up.

FrancieBrady

Deleted User wrote: »

“ The public have done all that was asked of them.”. Were the public asked to ignore common sense and mix with all and sundry? Or did the Public do the sensible thing and mix with as few as possible, for the greater good. Our old mate ‘Personal Responsibility’ comes in to play. How many thought it vital to visit granny or grandpa, even though they were happy to stay in isolation? Shur, Twas there right to see nana and grandpa, no matter nana and grandpa’s wishes.

Your government undermined you Maryanne. Both Martin and Varadkar admitted the mistake. Martin blamed the media for blaming the government, he's a sleeveen, to be expected.

You're blaming the people for a mistake the government admitted. Lovely.

Cluedo Monopoly

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Whats with the arbitrary choice of dates?

You are making up data and you are asking me why I picked the 2 dates

Classic!

Ah...the government opened shops, hairdressers, pubs, gums in early December hence 1-Dec and 8th January shows the impact including a lag for incubation/testing.

Where did you get your data? I should test a few more of your numbers for the craic.

FrancieBrady

Marine Layer wrote: »

Lol Francie
Tisn't China we live in
People are breaking rules right left and centre,your virtue signalling aside
We can't send them all off to be with the Uighars
Just like you expect us to believe 44,000 pro SF posts cannot be from a member or employee,credit us with some inteligence as to what went on or is going on in the country minus the virtue signalling
If we remained locked down in December we would still be now with even less compliance
Human nature unless you're in China and get imprisoned

Introduce the shinners when your argument is weak. How typical again.

Cluedo Monopoly

Shebean wrote: »

I read that. They certainly accepted they made poor decisions. I think they were looking to be popular. I see 'we all partied' is still the popular excuse.
Going pretty good now. I hope things continue to pick up.

They had months and months of chaos, confusion and terrible communications (I wont even mention Clifden). Living with Covid, Level this-and-that. Their ineptitude essentially pressurised themselves into giving a Christmas present to the electorate, against NPHET advice. It was a car crash. They were desperate for likes.

Cluedo Monopoly

Finty Lemon wrote: »

24x in Spain
15x in Finland
20x in Czechia
22x in Portugal
32x in France
Irelands health system as measured by morbidity and mortality, coped very well. In relative terms.

Portugal

1-Dec 7 day average = 4545
8-Jan 7 day average = 8568

2 fold increase...:)

FrancieBrady

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Introduce the shinners when your argument is weak. How typical again.

Lol you virtue signal and accuse me of having a weak argument
The ironing is strong,you'll burn the shirt

Cluedo Monopoly

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Finland in early March 832. Running higher not lower
Spain 10th Feb 103,000

Random numbers.

Have they moved Christmas now in Finland? Does Santa know?

FrancieBrady

Marine Layer wrote: »

Lol you virtue signal and accuse me of having a weak argument
The ironing is strong,you'll burn the shirt

Giving credit where it is due is not virtue signalling.

The public in the main did what they were asked to do. November I think the ESRI poll was done that showed the majority thought the lockdown wasn't strong enough, but people like you think they would have been a revolt by sticking a finger in the wind.

Cluedo Monopoly

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Random numbers.

Have they moved Christmas now in Finland? Does Santa know?

Wales didn't open for xmas
Travel was restricted
It had a horrendous surge
People are people
Blaming governments is just lazy

Cluedo Monopoly

Marine Layer wrote: »

Wales didn't open for xmas
Travel was restricted
It had a horrendous surge
People are people
Blaming governments is just lazy

Making up data is lazy.

I don't have the Welsh data but here is UK.

1-Dec 7 day average = 15194
8-Jan 7 day average = 57851

3.8 times. We'll say 4 fold.

Cluedo Monopoly

Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »

Making up data is lazy.

I don't have the Welsh data but here is UK.

1-Dec 7 day average = 15194
8-Jan 7 day average = 57851

3.8 times. We'll say 4 fold.

Have a look at the welsh data as it was in countrywide lockdown