FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3

dudley72

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118012581#Comment_118012581

I am sure he has an opinion. Opinions are like arseh***es everyone has one.

As you didn't provide a link to what his opinion is then I don;'t know if they have/haven't. The government have figured out you can't have rental properties without LL's. Love or hate them but that is true. The swing towards the tenant has driven a huge percentage of the Irish LL out of the market and that is why we have the issues in rentals. It was easier to flog the property and move on.

The government are trying to fix that. Will it work? lets see in 3-4 years.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118012580#Comment_118012580

Quite common to see these landlords born into the property or money which I was not. Myself and a lot of people my generation and younger can't afford a single family home never mind property to rent out.

We are in the middle of a housing crisis and making life easier for landlords to buy up even more of the houses will only make it worse

Building accommodation on the masses of derelict sites in Ireland and ring fenced for first time buyers is the only way out of this but sadly for the landlords that will hurt rental and property prices.

From what I can see if we want out of this we are gonna have to upset a lot of landlords and NIMBYs too

Murph85

I support the budget in so far as it wasnt financially reckless...

I'd get rid of lpt, supported by all and would benefit those that contribute far more then their fair share, the most...

Property tax in a properly run country is a good thing, here the rate its charged at, all the exceptions, the massive under valuing that goes on, it's a waste of time. Collects less than a billion afaik...

awec

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118012705#Comment_118012705

There are no real exceptions to the LPT, it is one of the most effective taxes you can have in terms of ensuring widespread compliance and ensuring that everyone is contributing.

This is exactly the reason why SF want to get rid of it.

dudley72

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118012638#Comment_118012638

Not everyone wants to buy a house, especially a young couple moving in for first time. That plan would end up with people either staying at home or buying a house. Unworkable for any country

dudley72

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118012705#Comment_118012705

Once you own a house you pay LPT. No hiding money in another country etc. It is a great tax and one that has seen great improvements in local amenities around Ireland.

As posted it is hugely effective and everyone has to pay. Other parties talkign about getting rid of it haven't a clue and they are just using buzz word to keep people happy.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118012480#Comment_118012480

It must be a good one if it offended so many groups at once but the media do their level best to hunt down every malcontent with an opinion they can find. The real positive is the huge chunk of money they plan to commit to infrastructure, housing and health. The other "giveaway" stuff is crowd pleasing but will be very quickly offset by rising fuel and energy costs. Many of us in the crowd would like to see signs of things being fixed and improved.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118012852#Comment_118012852

No I am not calling for the abolition of rental property just the ending of its current monopoly as the only option in town.

Rental accommodation is a great part of the mix in a functional housing market but we don't have one of those

Fann Linn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118012868#Comment_118012868

Thank you. My feeling exactly. I don't think this 'fiver for everybody in the audience' is useful or warranted.

I'd prefer to see something tangible that would benefit society as a whole. An example of the top of my head could be that primary education is truly free and parents would never be required to buy school books or pay 'contributions' while little Mary or Johnny are in NS. Or the state provides free public transport for all school/ college pupils.

But this piecemeal budget is an attempt to try and please everyone but actually not really helping anyone.

I look forward to seeing the new infrastructure, housing and reductions in health care waiting lists, currently standing at 900,000 patients.

dudley72

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118012920#Comment_118012920

But it's not the only option in town. At the moment on daft you have over 10,500 houses for sale and over 1500 apartments for sale. That is in the middle of a housing crisis we are told about.

After the last crash the plan was to move Ireland towards more of a rental system instead of this obsession with "getting the foot on the property ladder". Ten years later and everyone is obsessed again with buying houses.

Rental has no monopoly, due to the changes the number of rentals have dropped as LL got out of it, the risks are too high for bad tenants that you cannot get rid of, people wrecking properties and walking away with no come back etc. All this changes have resulted in a lack of rental properties. The likes of DCC failing to build social housing for the last number of years and also failing to get rent from tenants hasn't helped either. It is a catalogue of things but pushing everyone down the route of having to buy a house or suck it up is the totally wrong direction Ireland should be going.

Murph85

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118012858#Comment_118012858

Many had an exemption for years from lpt. Many pay e90 a year... it's not paid by those in social housing. I'd be in favour of a poll tax...

Every adult in the local authority area contributes...

My alternative simple budget. Lpt gone. Significant motor tax increases on all new petrol and diesel In particular cars... significant increases in the threshold before you pay the marginal rate of tax. No more free gp visits! E25 a visit for everyone...

Non of this one broke taxpayer pays e60 and the non worker gets it for nothing. Totally ridiculous!

dudley72

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118013040#Comment_118013040

Any adult on social welfare won't.

Plus someone in a multi million property is going to pay the same? the LPT is to cover off the county council to provide for people living in the area. The best way is the LPT and it has worked massively successfully. Why anyone would change is beyond me?

A poll tax will be a nightmare to work out

In regards to the update with Motor tax, that was done last year. Diesels etc got hit, diesel imports got hit. Fuel prices have increased. So all been done.

So people are sick and your great idea is to target them? we should be looking after the sick, not trying to take money off them. That's what the government are trying to do.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118012948#Comment_118012948

I agree with you on one thing and only one. All the talk of "getting on the property ladder" was an absolute disgrace. Buying a house should be about having a home for you and your family for most of your life and not some ladder where you are forever going on about resale value and moving up the ladder

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118013040#Comment_118013040

I think we need more free GP visits for people not on medical cards. The visits I am talking about are the ones where your GP has informed you that you have to go back every x number of months for a re-evaluation of your medication. Some people will have to do that and pay out for their entire working life and I think it should be different to someone going in with a cough

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118012512#Comment_118012512

Why you are trying to bluff on this, escapes me, when a quick google will bring up the fact that reaction to the budget is 'mixed' to say the least. Here is an overview from just the business sector where parts have been welcomed and parts have been 'heavily criticised'.

Mixed reaction to Budget 2022 measures from business (rte.ie)

dudley72

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118013380#Comment_118013380

If you had read the thread you would of found I shared the exact link you just shared 😂

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118013923#Comment_118013923

And?

Yu were trying to bluff that reaction on a radio show was positive. If you had any intention to be credible you would have known anything representing 'reaction as positive' was false and misleading. But no, you pushed the radio show out there as indicative. Chancer.

Shebean

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118012842#Comment_118012842

If SF supporters are all looking for handouts, never worked a day etc., they don't pay LPT.

While we do away with protections for renters we extend them for landlords. Says it all.

dudley72

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118014413#Comment_118014413

What protection for renters? the protection that if they don't bother paying a LL cannot throw them out? do you really think that is a long term plan for any government?

Shebean

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118014459#Comment_118014459

You are creating your own thing to get upset about. Nobody said anything about refusing to pay rent.

Pandemic assistant to help renters during Covid. Why extend it for Landlords but not renters? As with your attitude here it's tipped to favour the landlord. The FG mindset hasn't changed in a hundred years.

dudley72

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118015127#Comment_118015127

It's a discussion forum, people discuss topics, the constant accusation of people getting upset adds nothing to the topic

The pandemic in reality is over now for the majority of people. All offices are fully opened soon and even the traffic when I went to Dublin earlier was back to crazy pre-pandemic

Shebean

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118015149#Comment_118015149

Are you ignoring or did you forget the comment you are getting up in arms about? They extended the covid protections for landlords but not renters. Get onto FF/FG/Green about that. They also extended wage help for business where you and I are subsidising supermac's profits through johnny flipburger's wages. You're good with that too I imagine.

dudley72

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118015183#Comment_118015183

I am up in arms about nothing, as I said I am happy with the budget. Not my problem why you can't understand why they would do continue the LL, why not ring and ask?

If I am helping people who are willing to go out and work then yes I am happy with that. It the people sitting at home and could work is the waste of money from my point of view. Some other parties are more interested in ploughing money into those people, I prefer to give it to the workers

Good on the government

RandomViewer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118012461#Comment_118012461

Would've been more than living wage but when you factor in €70-80 fuel costs and best part of two hours travelling every day that is lost, It was the extra cost of travelling I was on about ,you seen to have taken it up wrong,

Shebean

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118015211#Comment_118015211

I criticised ceasing protections for renters while extending it for landlords. This put your nose out of joint.

You are assuming renters need protection from being thrown out due to not paying rent or such but Landlords and business need protection for genuine reasons.

I seem to spend more time explaining things to you, including previous comments you made yourself, than actually discussing anything.

dudley72

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118015454#Comment_118015454

"nose out of joint" based on what? you should never made assumptions on a forum. Nothing in my posts suggest anything is out of joint.

If you spend a lot of time explaining your own posts that is not my fault, so sorry I can't help you

You twist posts, that is not my fault and sorry I can't help you either on that.

Shebean

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118015555#Comment_118015555

No need to get personal.

I mentioned they were cutting back on protections for renters while extending them for landlords. You've an issue with renters getting protections but support it for landlords. Fair enough. Not sure why you have an issue with my opinion that that isn't fair.

dudley72

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118015908#Comment_118015908

You made a comment as if I had intellectual issues and couldn’t understand your posts or even my own

I seem to spend more time explaining things to you, including previous comments you made yourself, than actually discussing anything

I was just explaining if people have an issue understanding your posts it’s not something I can help you with. Will leave you to it

Shebean

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118015955#Comment_118015955

Geez louise. I pointed out they cut back on renters protections but extended landlord protections.

atticu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118015341#Comment_118015341

No, I did not take it up wrong.

You seem to have a problem with the cost of fuel, and think that it will make it harder to employ or retain staff. I said that you should consider paying them more.

Workers have a right to work where they want, not were you think they should.

RandomViewer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118016335#Comment_118016335

So those who work closer should work for less? You do know that a huge proportion of goods produced are exported, cost of fuel increases delivery cost rises and puts jobs at risk, fuel costs rising is a bad thing, Where do you think the money for wages comes from?

dudley72

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118020598#Comment_118020598

Too broad a question. The cost of living in Dublin is higher than outside of Dublin. So someone living in Kells let's say but travelling to Dublin daily, If they take a job in kells should they be on the same wages as in Dublin? is that what you are asking for?

atticu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118020598#Comment_118020598

We have now established that you have an issue with the cost of fuel, and that is OK. I can't say that I am happy about the cost of fuel, but I am not going to get too upset about it.

We all have issues with certain things. And again, that is OK.

As for your first question, I am not sure why you are asking that question, or who you think should answer the question. It certainly is not directed at me. You have a problem with people leaving a certain job for another job, I am OK with the choices that workers make. You think that commute times and costs are not worth it, yet others would disagree, and that is OK.

I think that it is very condescending to start a sentence with 'You do know...', yet that was the choice that you made. You assumed that I know things, and then go on to inform me of the things that you assumed I know. Why would anyone do that, unless it is to be condescending.

As for your last question, my answer to that is that I do know where the money for wages comes from.

RandomViewer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118020654#Comment_118020654

All I said was that the rising cost of fuel was making it necessary for people to leave their current jobs and on paper take lower paid jobs closer to home, the other poster read something completely different between the lines and went into some sort of bizarre rant, other countries have cut taxes on fuel but or bunch if follywombles are too stupid to see the harm

dudley72

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118021187#Comment_118021187

No the rising cost of fuel hasn't.

Fuel has only increased in the last few weeks, are you really trying to say people decided to quit jobs and move to another location in the last few weeks based on fuel prices which is notorious for changing

It's just another waffle about government bad. Makey uppey story about people leaving your job doesn't change that

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118012580#Comment_118012580

When you say Landlords are "Getting out" of the market, how exactly are they doing it?

If they are selling up that either adds to the availability of homes for buyers or if sold to an investor it keeps the same level of rental properties on the market... Or is there a third way they are getting out?

dudley72

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118022401#Comment_118022401

Over the last few years a huge amount of LL are selling up. Just flogging the house and moving on because it is too much hassle and the control is all with the tenant, if you get a bad one well you are f**ked. You can do nothing to get them out if after 6 months, which they all know about.

I honestly don't think you understand the Irish market, selling up is good if people are buying. But what about the rental market? the rents increase which means people cannot save to buy a new house so they are stuck in rental. That's just a small issue

No country should ever have it that the only option for people is to buy a house. That is totally ridiculous. If you go to any other country a huge amount of people never buy a house. That is what Ireland was supposed to move to after the crash, we forgot that the last few years

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118022434#Comment_118022434

This is fantasy.

There are numerous reports on tax paying renters being priced out by gouging landlords. I know a lad commuting from Cavan to work in Dublin because he can't fine a reasonable rental. Was a girl on the radio yesterday with a bed in a shower room ffs. Drop the propaganda and take a look around.

All these TD's aren't land Lords for laughs.

dudley72

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118023139#Comment_118023139

We are back to makey uppey stories. I know a lad 😂

If you read the post before the rant, the reason rents are increasing is because of lack of supply, lack of supply is because LL have been driven out of the market because the move was to protect the tenant at all cost and screw the LL.

It's called supply and demand.

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118023199#Comment_118023199

You don't believe anyone in Ireland has to commute from Cavan to Dublin? No wonder your head is buried.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/homes-and-property/exceptional-value-drives-commuters-to-cavan-1.1199879%3fmode%3Damp

I see you skipped the girl renting a bed in the shower room. Was on the one o'clock news on Wednesday.

Homeless numbers are being driven up by high rents. Who's raising those rents?

Did we magically run out of houses last year or do you think it was caused by poor policy depending on private companies?

FF/FG have had over 10 years and made matters worse. Trying to blame bad luck and circumstances won't cut it. Its **** policies.

dudley72

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118023321#Comment_118023321

I didn't skip over anything, the reason the girl has to do that is because lack of properties. In terms of travelling in & out of Dublin, loads of people do that daily from all over Ireland and with the push to WFH that will hopefully improve for some people. Makey uppey stories are well makey uppey, people revert to them because they don't have any facts and they are always exaggerated

Homeless numbers in Dublin are up because during the period of 2014-2019 the DCC made a mess of everything. More than doubling the people homeless in that time.

We have never run out of house, even today we have over 10,000 available to buy. Like the LPT it would seem you don't really understand what you are talking about, just firing out buzz words and then blame the government as per the propaganda machine. Are you aware Ireland has crica 10000 houses and nearly 2000 apartments today available to buy? it doesn't sound like it.

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118023372#Comment_118023372

You claim I made up knowing someone who has to commute from Cavan due to high rent. I provided an Irish Times article about Dubliners moving to Cavan because of rent. You still claim its made up. Seriously Dudley, up your game. Sticking your fingers in your ears won't cut it.

You've either no clue or are lying to protect government. Did you read what you wrote? All the years before and after were bad too and worse. How do you explain that? Crying SF won't save FF/FG's record in the face of reality my friend.

So you said it was a supply issue now you are saying it isn't because it doesn't suit you.

Zero credibility. I feel foolish engaging with you.

I'll leave you to it.

dudley72

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118023470#Comment_118023470

The article is from 2007, at least check the date and not just read the headline

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118022434#Comment_118022434

we ve learned nothing from the crash, we keep defaulting to whats called a fire sector lead economy, and now we re perfectly primed for another credit fueled building boom, its extremely disturbing to watch, nothing learned at all!

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118023556#Comment_118023556

That's assuming it's a problem for the key players. A lot of money being made. Why fix what isn't broke for you?

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118023627#Comment_118023627

absolutely, its in the winners wishes that the status quo remains, but the number of losers losing, is getting to critical mass, big changes are on the way, lets hope we dont go full retard

Brucie Bonus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118023829#Comment_118023829

We will crash again, make no mistake. We need a complete overhaul in the way we do business. Rings a bell that.

Vested interests need removing from governing.

I would give every minister one pension despite offices held, monetarily based on time spent in office and no expenses unless travelling abroad. I would make any minister holding an office give up any private business as they've shown themselves untrustworthy in that regard.

I would bring in house rules were cronyism isn't a 'lesson to be learned' but a minister to be demoted or sacked. It's 2021. The idea that we still have lessons to learn around political cronyism is a farce.

dudley72

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118023920#Comment_118023920

Is it 2021 or is it 2007? just from your previous post you seem to think its 2007

More buzz words, cronyism this time. What cronyism are you talking about? I guess you mean Zappone but what else?

Every TD is on a standard pension.

Can you name some TD's with private business's they run?

RandomViewer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118023920#Comment_118023920

Everything is falling into place like 2008, China replacing America as the first domino,

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118023920#Comment_118023920

in the modern world, true power isnt actually truly held within our political bodies and institutions, even though they are partly to blame for our current mess, its not where true power is, major sectors such as our global fire sectors hold far more power, and dictate our economies