FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118873567#Comment_118873567

What past failings would that be? Wrongly using an approved account 11 years ago?

I owned up to that the minute I was reminded of it and took the punishment.

P.S. I didn't accuse anyone of anything either.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118872179#Comment_118872179

It's the magical money tree and you should read the Business Post today. Ireland's national debt one of the highest in the world on a per capita basis. Who do you think borrowed this money Mary? FF and FG have created a massive national debt and it will come back to bite us. Despite the many years of massive borrowing our health system is a disaster and housing is in crisis. Your 'I'm alright Jack' routine will mean you vote for the power swap status quo but it ignores the problems for future generations.

Taxpayers face €13bn black hole by 2030, officials warn | Business Post

Taxpayers face €13bn black hole by 2030, officials warn

Health and pension costs created by an increasingly ageing population would add an additional €7 billion to the country’s spending bill each year by 2030

Our huge national debt makes us hamstrung to deal with the next FF/FG inspired crisis - pensions.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118872200#Comment_118872200

I wont even dare venture into one of Blanch's SF threads - he sees SFers under his bed. But can I ask - what is a sock puppet? I can only imagine it's a 'bot' or 'paid shill' or whatever phrases ye use. Does that apply to government supporters who defend the indefensible or run away when asked simple questions (e.g. local government reform).

Don't get me wrong, if SF or SDs or Labour or Independents do get into government next time out, I will be the first to lambaste them if they are doing stupid things or engaging in similar corruption, fraud, cronyism, waste practices that we have seen from FFG. I have already made my distaste for certain SF members very clear (e.g. Adams, Cullinane) and I will hold them to account. I would eventually like to see new parties emerge led by honest TDs and intelligent leaders who have integrity and ideals and enter politics for the right reasons. My own TD Catherine Connolly is a perfect example.

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118873305#Comment_118873305

SF were pleading with FF and FG to engage with them after the last election.

https://www.thejournal.ie/mary-lou-micheal-martin-5005492-Feb2020/?utm_source=story

Obviously either party would have had to compromise massively to reach agreement on a program for government with SF but AFAICS SF were not ruling anyone out either before or after the election.

FrancieBrady

The government should make it clear in contracts to any paid members of government departments, state institutions and the civil service that accountability is part of their jobs. We shouldn't have to give people massive expenses to answer to a tribunal.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/two-retired-top-gardai-put-in-60000-claim-for-expenses-for-attending-disclosures-tribunal-41515336.html

atticu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118873689#Comment_118873689

Thank you for the help in correcting Francie.

Loafing Oaf

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118873845#Comment_118873845

How was I correecting Francie?😕

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118873870#Comment_118873870

I think somebody is desperate for a win. 😁

Suckit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118872951#Comment_118872951

First of all, I didn't make any accusation. I said "I genuinely believe". There is a huge difference between somebody having an opinion or believing something vs accusation.

I didn't 'run away' anywhere between 00:26am and 07:28am 🤣. I was sleeping. I still stand by what I said.

No idea what paid account on social media you are referring to, but I'm sure there are paid accounts for FG online. But tbh, you would have to be very naive to think there aren't. That is still not accusing your account in particular of anything. If people want to think otherwise, that's their prerogative.

Suckit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118873272#Comment_118873272

How on earth would I have the information to an alleged fact that you posted?

I have no idea about the opposition party having paid accounts on social media. Maybe you could provide a link instead of bullsh*tting that I have the the information to the allegation you submitted?

Lol.. 😂

Suckit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118873456#Comment_118873456

As I am catching up on the thread, you left out a word or two. It should have said.

"My point was clear and concise and incorrect. I have nothing more to post on the subject."

And you speak of posters 'running away'? 😂

Is it outrage or Irony? Not sure which word we should be randomly using today.

Cost of living very much the issue bothering voters at the moment. Stuff like Crime, NI, Covid scoring very low. United Ireland not featuring at all.

Suckit

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FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118874071#Comment_118874071

Those are the percentages of people who want things 'dealt with'. A list of what the government needs to do.

Floppybits

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118874071#Comment_118874071

Nothing really surprising in that. It is what most people would expect to see. A lot of problems to be fixed in this country before any thoughts can be made towards a united Ireland.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118874071#Comment_118874071

I would imagine cost of living has overlaps with the housing/rental crisis and high cost of private healthcare.

Again FF and FG are hamstrung with what they can do because they have gone to the magical money tree way too much leaving us with a massive national debt. Tough times ahead and very little room for manoeuvre. You reap what you sow.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118874022#Comment_118874022

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118874068#Comment_118874068

If you want to discuss paid accounts on social media then start a thread or contact a mod would be my suggestion. Take it or leave it of course

Not sure why you are running around with constant snide little comments. Maybe try discuss a topic for once, it’s getting extremely boring seeing this rubbish on every post from you

Hugo Sheridan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118874071#Comment_118874071

Correct, and I read this morning that our esteemed Govt have admitted that their great master plan of MUP has contributed to the spiralling rate of inflation. (That's according to the dept of finance by the way).

That stroke will do them wonders at the ballot box with young voters and those struggling to meet ends meet I should imagine.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118874625#Comment_118874625

First mention of a 'paid account' was from your good self in post 8145.

Cluedo Monopoly

I cannot find the actual link but I saw this headline in the newsagents this morning.

The Irish Mail on Sunday leads with a story on deaths linked to delays at A&E and how over 2,000 people died each year waiting on trolleys.

What the papers say: Sunday's front pages (echolive.ie)

Some legacy.

is_that_so

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118874797#Comment_118874797

A&E delays are also strongly linked to a lack of stepdown facilities for people who should not be in hospital anyway and those waiting to leave.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118872154#Comment_118872154

That is a very strange post. You first of all state that Sinn Fein said last time out they would talk to anyone - yet they didn't and that was a lie, even PBP complained about SF not talking to them - and you guess they will tell the same lie again, but then you go on in your next sentence to question whether FG and FF will get away with lying again when you have just foreseen that SF will do exactly that. Weird stuff.

As this is the government thread, I won't get any further into discussing SF on it, was only responding to your upside-down logic, so will leave it there.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118874952#Comment_118874952

"As this is the government thread, I won't get any further into discussing SF on it"

Yeah right! 🤣🤣🤣

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118874952#Comment_118874952

Hmmm weren't you embarrassed into silence gilding this lily before? When presented with the evidence you disappeared for a few days if I remember correctly.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30998815.html

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118875110#Comment_118875110

You present more evidence of Sinn Fein saying they will discuss it, but still zero evidence of them actually doing what they said, therefore providing further support to the idea that Sinn Fein lied. That is my final word in this thread on the lies that Sinn Fein told after the election.

@Cluedo Monopoly I only replied to this because Francie once again made false accusations against me.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118875142#Comment_118875142

I think you find this was said by RBB -

Mr Boyd Barrett noted in his letter that “radical and necessary changes in policy will simply not take place under a government involving Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil”.

The two parties had, prior to the outbreak of Covid-19 in Ireland, reached “an advanced stage” to develop a programme for government, with Solidarity-People Before Profit calling for such talks to resume.

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118875344#Comment_118875344

RBB published a letter he wrote to MLMD and the usual crew put 2+2 together and got 43 and have been misrepresenting what happened since.

Stock carry on really.

Shebean

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118874071#Comment_118874071

Yes not a great list for government. Housing and health still high and government corruption/incompetence in the running. Not making much of a positive change after all this time swapping seats. Figured they'd be still pushing Brexit for a diversion but we have the war in Ukraine. Sad to see Covid join the business as usual category. Not to worry, I'm sure they'll resurrect Covid and Brexit to shake off any accountability down the road.

It's very telling that the government take away seems to be no United Ireland talk. Might explain the state of things.

Suckit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118874625#Comment_118874625

I have no wish to talk about paid accounts, it was yourself that started with that. I am unsure where you get the impression that I am running around with anything.

It seems you are finding it hard to stomach the taste of your own medicine.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118875504#Comment_118875504

i already gave my opinion and you should start a thread on it.

I doubt you will and I will continue to see these pointless posts hoping to get a reaction to run to the mods.

🦜

FrancieBrady

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118875495#Comment_118875495

Practically the same list of as were on the table in 2020. Doesn't augur well does it?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118875087#Comment_118875087

Blanch is right. Discussing SF in this thread could lead to a warning from Mods.

Suckit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118875578#Comment_118875578

So you gave an opinion? is your opinion suffering outrage for my opinion? Even if we leave that (another question you would never answer), You are telling me I should start a thread on your opinion. Seriously. WTF.. - Just to clarify. I won't be starting a thread on your opinion. 😂

You are one to talk about pointless posts. As I said. Your own medicine.

In any case, I have never reported a post to any mod on any forum at any time. No matter how pointless and ridiculous your posts are.

I can't understand the reasoning or the phrasing behind the 2nd sentence in your post.

"I doubt you will and I will continue to see these pointless posts"... etc... yet you posted it anyway. . In your own words.. "pointless". At least you claimed that one.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118876876#Comment_118876876

And the point of your post (apart from talking about other posters) is?

Does that mean that you have just met your own definition of pointless?

Cluedo Monopoly

No wonder they did not publish this report.

9 hospitals did not appear to provide safe care: review (rte.ie)

An independent review of unplanned care at nine hospitals for the Health Service Executive has found that sometimes there was no clear understanding of who was providing the patients' care.

The Independent Review of Unplanned Care covered the years 2018-2019.

Due to emergency department pressures, it said there was widespread placing of patients in any bed, any time, anywhere, including mixed gender.

It said this did not create extra capacity, but led to safari rounds, increased length of stay and introduced harm by non-specialist care and increased staff absenteeism.

None of the nine hospitals were found to operate a 24/7 model of care or appeared to provide safe and effective care.

The unpublished report was secured by the Irish Patients Association under the Freedom of Information Act.

Steve McMahon of the Irish Patients Association, said it had taken 17 months to get the report and that it sheds light on why Ireland is seeing a number of systemic failures which are not purely accidental.

It found that not only did the nine hospitals have the highest number of patients on trolleys during the year, they were also shown to have deteriorated over the previous five years, except for St Vincent's.

On its visit to University Hospital Waterford, the review team found that some patients were on trolleys for four to five nights on a hospital corridor.

A lack of capacity and a shortage of staff and funding were consistent underlying themes.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118877599#Comment_118877599

The report is somewhat outdated, as improvements have been made, as explained in the article you quoted.

“In opting not to publish the report in 2020, the HSE told the Department of Health that the benefit of releasing the report has significantly diminished in that its principle recommendation was to accelerate the implementation of the Capacity Review of 2018 and that many measures had been put in place since.

HSE Chief Operations Officer Anne O'Connor told the Department of Health that the review had been conducted at a particular point in time, during 2019 and "prior to the impact of the learning from winter 2018/2019".

She said the findings of the review were largely predictable and reflective of work already under way, including shifting demand to the community.”

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118877599#Comment_118877599

Have read the report.

It is critical of hospital management and staff on the ground. One of the key findings for me is that "Non-admitted patients account for 75% of those attending and in a number of hospitals overcrowding was a function of long waits especially at peak times" and "assessment and short stay units were frequently poorly functioning due to long lengths of stay, inappropriate admissions (often out of hours), and boarding of patients that blocked the flow of those patients that the units were designed to manage".  Essentially, three-quarters of the people who go to emergency departments don't need to be there and can be treated in the community and hospital staff are indulging them, reducing quality of treatment for those that need it.

This Report demonstrates that the problem is as far away from political responsibility as possible. Probably belongs in a thread about the HSE rather than one about the government.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118877665#Comment_118877665

Yes yes its all fixed now. Deny Deny Deny.

March 2022 has been the worst March for overcrowding since the INMO began counting trolleys in 2006.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118877667#Comment_118877667

But you said we had the best nurse to bed ratio in the EU...???

The report suggests capacity issues across the board. Highlighted during Covid. As bad as ever now.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118877868#Comment_118877868

The two points are fully compatible. Too few beds, too many nurses, equals the best nurse to bed ratio in the EU. Which bit of that do you not understand?

The picture painted by the report is of nurses running around with their arms in the air shouting don't panic while waiting for someone else to make a decision and not enough responsibility being taken at the frontline. Read it again, but better start a thread about it because it does require a discussion about the madness of the hospitals.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118877864#Comment_118877864

Did you actually read the report to the end before dumping part of it in this thread?

Anyone who ever had the misfortune to attend A&E with a genuine illness or recent accident, know only too well that others in the waiting room became ill days before. Or the accident happened last week. Or they have a minor illness/accident that could have been treated by their local pharmacist, if not doctor or nurse. Yet, the A&E staff treat them all the same, yet are castigated by some for not being treated immediately.

Your blind hatred of the government is stopping you seeing the good they do and us a tad unhealthy.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118877898#Comment_118877898

You have yet to provide a link on the superior nurse-bed ratio. I provided a link suggesting your metrics were flawed.

The report highlighted that 'A lack of capacity and a shortage of staff and funding were consistent underlying themes.' How do you explain that??

The health systems already has major attrition risks where nurses and doctors will choose to go elsewhere rather than work in constant chaos and overcrowding.

FF and FG have ignored the chaos and capacity issues for decades.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118877937#Comment_118877937

You can look up the statistics yourself

Ireland in 2018 had 12.9 nurse per 1000 inhabitants, fourth best according to the OECD.

Countries like Sweden, Denmark, Austria, Canada, UK, all had less than 11.

https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankings/nurse_to_hospital_bed_ratio/

Ireland, 8th highest in the world, with all EU countries below us. And us with the youngest and healthiest population in the EU.

We have more than enough nurses, it is poor working practices protected by unions, combined with poor local frontline management practices (mostly promoted nurses) that cause the problems.

As I said, this is really for a separate thread.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118878078#Comment_118878078

Here we go again.

Why is everyone in the health system, including the government, saying we need add more frontline health workers except you?

If we don't have the bed capacity, what are all these excess nurses doing? They seem to be very short on the ground despite what your raw metric shows.

OECD nurse patient ratios do not give the full picture | Health Manager

Speaking on “Safer nurse staffing: the right person in the right place at the right time, he said that if you just looked at OECD figures, Ireland, with 12.4 nurses per 1,000 population, had more nurses than most OECD states. However, this was not the full picture, as the Irish figures included nurses working in management and education and that made it difficult to get accurate figures of those working directly in clinical practice. In other countries, part of the registration process involved stating place of work – this did not happen in Ireland.

IRELAND HAD ONE OF THE LOWEST NUMBER OF BEDS PER THOUSAND POPULATION AND ONE OF THE HIGHEST BED OCCUPANCY RATES IN THE OECD.

According to the OECD (2015) Ireland had 2.6 beds per thousand of the population, compared to 13.17 in Japan, 6.13 in France, 4.82 in Luxemburg and 4.35 in Finland.

The bed occupancy rate in Ireland was also very high. According to the OECD, we had a 94% bed occupancy rate, while the rate in Europe ranged from 68% in Slovenia to 84% in the United Kingdom, and 46% in the Netherlands.

“So nurses in Ireland are working clinical settings with high rates of patient turnover, which leads to increased nursing work. Therefore to accurately predict nursing numbers we need to have reliable data that includes patient dependency and acuity, patient turnover, bed occupancy, elective vs. acute admissions and educational level and skill-mix of the nursing workforce.”

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118878119#Comment_118878119

When you are explaining, you are losing. The figures speak for themselves, we have more than enough nurses. It is the way we use them through bad frontline management and poor union-protected working practices that cause the problem.

The picture painted by that report of nurses running around not knowing what to do, cutting corners, creating workarounds is what makes the problem worse.

FrancieBrady

Waiting for someone like Regina Doherty to blame patients for getting sick.

brokenangel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118878119#Comment_118878119

An expert on county councils a few days ago, now the HSE

Thr problem with the HSE is the entire organisation structure. It deserves a thread on it own with hopefully some heath professional who can give personal experience and how you can change it.

Too many reports done without actually asking the nurses etc is what I can see from my limited knowledge. Like the ransomware, circa 100m wasted, PR job done and the same company who ran previous reports brought back in without going to tender

It was cover up for management. Who has lost their job or a contract over that disaster?

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118878171#Comment_118878171

When I am explaining, you are ignoring. You never debate - you just ignore what you dont like. I have shown that your metrics are wrong.

Everyone knows we are understaffed and have capacity issues. I am a bit busy today but I will post a few more links (again) later this evening on this topic. Government policy is to blame here.

As the INMO said "“We take no pleasure in having to record these figures for a decade and a half. We know the problem, but we also know the solutions: extra beds in hospitals, safe staffing levels, and more step-down and community care outside of the hospital. No other developed country faces anything close to this trolley problem. It can be solved, but a strong political agenda to drive change is needed."

You never got back to me on local government reform - needed or not? 😉

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118878539#Comment_118878539

So the OECD and myself are wrong, but somehow you are correct.

Shebean

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118878429#Comment_118878429

It's quite amusing. It's not the policy makers, it's not the government appointed head of the HSE, it's not the minister(s) of health. Despite many decades overseeing health policy in Ireland, it's lazy union workers and the public that's to blame. I suppose Enda Kenny didn't know that when he promised to 'end the scandal' of hospital trolleys. The country would be perfect if not for the people.