FF/FG/Green Government - Part 3

Luxembourgo · 31-05-2022 7:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119141220#Comment_119141220

Don't disagree, but more and more the electorate are realising that multiple briefs seem to be at odds with each other. None of which are doing anything to benefit 80 percent of the country.

skimpydoo · 31-05-2022 7:55pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119141433#Comment_119141433

How many times in past 2 years has FG left FF out to dry?

road_high · 31-05-2022 8:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119141433#Comment_119141433

I think more and more are seeing through the pantomime farce- because I’m actually one of them. I’m from a staunch FG family. Would have defended them right up to the last election despite the utter disaster Varadkar oversaw.

Unless you’re a welfare lifer or economic migrant then there’s absolutely nothing to be grateful for or thank this shower of bumbling idiots for. They’re really the only cohorts they’re interested in. Those and their cronies who they keep “in the know”.

BonnieSituation · 31-05-2022 8:54pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119141681#Comment_119141681

FG put FF in power. That's a red líne for most supporters/voters. Certainly was for me.

road_high · 31-05-2022 8:58pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119141704#Comment_119141704

i think it was a mutual and cynical carve up of big jobs for themselves- which was even more sickening to be honest. FF were slightly bigger than FG so at least had some argument for being in government- Varadkar being the useless tosser that he is slid back into government rather than going back to opposition which was what the electorate said. We ended up with the Greens meaning a whole pile of pain for the least well off and already struggling middle classes. Unforgivable and I’m furious as so many others.

road_high · 31-05-2022 9:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119141440#Comment_119141440

Too many to count- M Martin is so desperate to be Taoiseach this was the end result. Mercifully that will be over soonish and this government will hopefully be a lot more shaky once FF have “allowed” him his days in the sun.

ThunbergsAreGo · 31-05-2022 9:09pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119141681#Comment_119141681

I would be the same. Contemplating not voting next time

road_high · 31-05-2022 9:17pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119141762#Comment_119141762

I’ll vote alright, I think it’ll be a personal vote for a local FF TD that helped family a lot on a personal matter.

FG won’t be getting any preference anywhere and won’t ever again so long as the current regime of PC wokeness and contempt for the middle classes continues. I predict FG will be scraping 20 seats next election. Many scraped in last time on a good economy on the last counts. They’re gone next time and good riddens.

ThunbergsAreGo · 31-05-2022 9:24pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119141793#Comment_119141793

I really like our local SD. But they are a dose of a party...

Agree FG are in serious trouble, I have no idea what they would think their "base" even is these days

skimpydoo · 31-05-2022 9:57pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119141757#Comment_119141757

That is assuming Leo becomes Taoiseach. If he does I don't think FF will take anymore **** from FG. If Leo does not become Taoiseach all bets are off.

road_high · 31-05-2022 10:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119141985#Comment_119141985

I really hope he doesn’t. He’s simply not fit for the role

skimpydoo · 31-05-2022 10:03pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119141997#Comment_119141997

Agreed I can't think of anything positive he has done for the country.

blanch152 · 31-05-2022 10:08pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119140881#Comment_119140881

So property owners you like are not vulture funds but those you don't like are vulture funds. Am I getting this right, as your stance is very confusing.

Brucie Bonus · 31-05-2022 11:22pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119142118#Comment_119142118

Nobody but you and a few hanger ons are claiming people are conflating vulture funds with all property investors. What is your point, just to deflect? Nobody cares about your attempt at pedantry.

FF/FG/Green housing policy grew the crisis and will continue to do so.

banquo · 31-05-2022 11:34pm

The govt didn't break housing. Demographics changed, and FG didn't do anything about it. Now there's a new government that is.

70 years ago, most people left school between ages 13-18. Half were men, and most got a job with their hands - skilled or unskilled.

There wasn't much for building, and houses were cheap to build. The western world, thanks to the invention of the car, was moving the population from tenements to suburbs.

Fast forward to today:

most people don't work in construction
for the few builders that exist, there's more competition for their attention with high-density commercial and office space
housing, thanks to good regulation, is much more expensive to build

My parents bought their house in 1984 and the toilet was literally in the garden. It didn't have central heating or proper windows. Now, we have good regulations so your house doesn't spontaneously combust. But it makes a house much more expensive to build.

That's why there's a housing crisis in almost every European capital. Not Eamonn Ryan.

It's not REITs, vulture funds, "FFG" silliness. It's a huge demographic change in the labour market, made worse by govt inaction post-global-financial-crisis. But it was coming either way since universal access to 3rd level became the normal.

And now every country is trying to play catchup, and all at the same time. I was talking to a modular building company in Latvia and they said it's impossible - not difficult, impossible - to get their hands on supply.

Covid did a lot of damage. For example, Ireland didn't issue any felling licenses in 2020, so we're a year behind on timber.

There was an initiative about to launch this year where we pay people with land to grow trees for timber that the state can use for housebuilding - but after Russia invaded Ukraine, that got pulled back in case we need to use that land for crops for food security.

Housing For All is designed *by the housing charities*. I don't think many here understand this. In 2020, DOB got everyone around the table to figure how to actually sort housing, and then fund it as much as possible. They've removed all the overlap that was happening between housing charities like PMcVerry, Cluid, Threshold, etc. And now each charity gets to do what they're best at.

This is paired with insane new levels of funding for social and affordable housing, plus planning for the amenities that have to surround them, plus new schools, plus new nursing homes, everything. Where I live is getting 2 new primary schools and 2 new nursing homes (which SF voted against building, cheers lads).

When you build 30-60k new homes a year, there's a buttload of spatial planning that has to be wrapped around them too.

I think if regular people knew the actual detail of Housing for All it would blow their minds. But too many have already decided who the devil is, and new information just refracts off them like light off a mirror.

Pussyhands · 31-05-2022 11:37pm

Brilliant!

https://twitter.com/irishdailytimes/status/1531407210236067841

banquo · 31-05-2022 11:50pm

🤣🤣🤣

10/10.

blanch152 · 31-05-2022 11:51pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119142407#Comment_119142407

It is also pertinent that all of the efforts of the current government will become apparent in 2025-26. A different government may take credit for the success of this government.

Suckit · 01-06-2022 12:03am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119142452#Comment_119142452

😂

Imagine taking credit for what this government has done..😅

jmcc · 01-06-2022 12:29am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119142407#Comment_119142407

Wasn't there a decision made in the 1990s or so to outsource the construction of social housing to the market with the expectation that the market would solve all the problems? Isn't that decision that was at the root of the problem? The population increases and shifts are a factor but without those social houses being built, housing became a commodity and the developers sold to the highest bidder.

Regards...jmcc

banquo · 01-06-2022 1:58am

On FF versus FG electoral prospects: I think FG are only behind now because we’re “in front.”

I think once FG are back in front FF will be eaten in the duopoly. Varadkar won’t be nearly as kind to us as MM has been to FG.

Why should anyone vote for us, when we’ll clearly just put FG back in power, again and again?

banquo · 01-06-2022 2:02am

It didn’t help, but Ireland was also building 90,000 houses a year and the state could just buy well-built, private homes for social use.

There’s a super article in The Currency on the fire sale of NAMA properties - which we’re supposed to be held long term and accrue value and be put to state use down the road - under Micheal Noonan. Must dig it up. One of the stupidest, almost violently short-sighted things an Irish Govt has ever done.

jmcc · 01-06-2022 2:15am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119142600#Comment_119142600

The Currency is probably one of the best and most understandable financial news sites/services around. The whole idea of relying upon the market to solve problems was, I think, one of those PD ideas. The market always acts in its own interest rather than altruism but the politicians seemed to thick to realiise that. Being cynical about it, it is was that decision that really kicked off the property bubble in that it massively affected the supply chain. As for Noonan, that's no surprise.

Regards...jmcc

Brucie Bonus · 01-06-2022 2:19am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119142407#Comment_119142407

We are giving developers money so they can build houses to sell and rent to us.

We are paying rent subsidies for working people to afford the rent in apartments we gifted the land for or gave for a song.

Our housing minister has investments in REITS.

We are leasing luxury apartments for 25 years with no option to buy rather than build.

We are buying houses to use as social housing.

We are still using hotels know as emergency accommodation as the complete norm.

FF and FG have watched things get worse but continue along the same road.

"Demographics changed" but the big problem is FF/FG/Green.

banquo · 01-06-2022 2:40am

We give developers money when, as in most cases since last September, 25% of what they’re building will be state-run (with help from charities) social housing - THAT’S what they get money for!

It’s not a gift. It’s the way to absolutely maximise the building of new social and affordable housing, so we can get people off the streets (and out of hotel rooms) and into good homes as quickly as possible.

You know who’s part of this plan, and whose sign off is needed on the suitability of almost every project? Almost every housing charity, via various new state bodies.

Cluid understand the particular constitution requirements and amenities around social housing. For example, keep social housing on the ground floor, so an elderly person can have their meals on wheels passed through an open window. Or a disabled person won’t have to use the lift in a fire. These are the people who are designing all our social housing now.

If it’s for people who are living on the street, Ireland has the 2nd highest retention rate of moving from the street into a forever home in the world - 84% retention after one year, only beaten by NYC with 88%.

DOB is doing an infinitely better job than the last 4 housing ministers combined. That’s why it’s been backed enthusiastically by all the major housing charities, because they helped to write this plan.

But why let reality ruin one’s indulgent fantasies about the great evils of their imagination.

Wanderer78 · 01-06-2022 6:37am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119142613#Comment_119142613

its clearly obvious we re in severe trouble regarding property, and this has occurred primarily under ffg governments, its clearly obvious their approach is catastrophically collapsing, and will simply never ever work, financialisation of our property markets has catastrophically failed, as it has in most, if not all countries it has been attempted! its over!

Luxembourgo · 01-06-2022 6:52am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119142613#Comment_119142613

The housing charities on which you cannot get FOI information?

Given the funding they are given and the seeming lack of oversight it would be a surprise if they didn't support him.

More and more resources diverted into houses those scrimping saving and getting killed with rent will never get the chance to buy

Wanderer78 · 01-06-2022 6:55am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119142692#Comment_119142692

....this is generally the outcome of financialisation of markets, as it creates whats called a rentier economy.....

Dempo1 · 01-06-2022 7:34am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119142613#Comment_119142613

I'm no expert but looking at this as a Novice.

I'm bewildered and perplexed by this housing association model, there's a serious lack of transparency going on with housing associations. Governance issues, financial accountability are clearly a problem.

I've often wondered who's actually benefiting from housing associations, more particularly financially. I understand they borrow money like any other developers or in the case of purchasing properties arrange commercial mortgages. Are these housing charities being under written by government, also what direct level of funding are they actually getting apart for rent subsidies through HAP for example. Who owns the Assets in essence who's actually benefiting financially.

It seems a very odd set up.

Separately we have the patron Saint of distressed mortgage holders, David Hall. His organisation essentially promises to help, purchase the borrowers properties (presumably at a discount or the remaining mortgage outstanding) then kindly offers to rent it back to them. Whilst some might think this is all perfectly wonderful, I'm not sure how I'd feel living in a property, I've perhaps already paid for over a quarter or half it's value already, only to find myself renting it with no equity value for possibly the rest of my life, whilst Halls organisation builds up a portfolio , likely funded by the state through rent subsidies. There's of course the risk of repossession and I appreciate that, some think Hall's and Housing charities solutions are better, I personally disagree.

Something else that's rarely discussed, is mortgage switching , anyone already in Distress has not a chance in hell of switching. I'm personally aware of people who's mortgages were sold to a vulture fund, relatively small arrears, servicing mortgages but struggling to clear arrears, They are currently on 3/4% interest rates and can not switch and vulture funds don't do rate reductions. I accept this is the mortgage holders fault but there's zero consideration to allow them reduce interest rates as high as 3/4 %. If as predicted rates are going to increase , Mortgage Arrears numbers will I believe increase substantially , not helped by cost of living crisis.

I don't pretend to be an expert on the matter but to my mind ,Housing charities are in essence building up substantial properties portfolios with very little risk through substantial state supports, whilst Tenants remain tenants and distressed former home owners also become Tenants. Just seems utterly bewildering.

I posted this recent article which raises some serious questions no one wants to answer. Apparently the questions not in the public interest, I beg to differ.

As for DOB , I've zero confidence in him , he's literally all over the place. And now yet again overseeing direct financial incentives to Developers that Home buyers will not benefit from other than supply that will remain out of reach, it's madness.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/housing-association-records-will-stay-secret-after-foi-request-is-turned-down-41699406.html

Dempo1 · 01-06-2022 8:09am

There'll be fireworks at the Dail Committee on Transport later . Seemingly the person responsible for the Debacles at Dublin Airport and who's conveniently leaving soon, Dalton Philips appearing to explain what's going on, he clearly doesn't give a Toss.

Eamonn Ryan apparently managed to stay awake for yesterday's DAA briefing to be told they can't garentee there won't be a repeat of last weekends farce .

Beggar's belief, the Dogs on the street saw this debacle coming months ago.

Wanderer78 · 01-06-2022 8:17am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119142788#Comment_119142788

tis far more than the failures at governmental level, even though they aint helping, many airports around europe are experiencing more or less the same, covid has done a number on the whole sector, tis gonna take a while for things to settle

Dempo1 · 01-06-2022 8:23am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119142803#Comment_119142803

O I fully understand its an international issue , UK particularly badly impacted by airport chaos. But there was some extraordinary decisions made at DAA , signed off by government that at the root cause of what's going on in Dublin. This was in essence a cost saving exercise that's gone Tits up. Why staff were not retained on available wage subsidy schemes is a mystery and then to start a re hiring process offering crap wages, dreadful contracts (race to the bottom) is bewildering, not withstanding the fact new staff have gone unpaid for weeks.

Wanderer78 · 01-06-2022 8:26am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119142822#Comment_119142822

...makes perfect sense why this has occurred, such approaches were always destined to fail, particularly now inflation has reappeared, so sit back and watch the sh1t show

Dempo1 · 01-06-2022 8:35am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119142826#Comment_119142826

Indeed 😉

mattser · 01-06-2022 9:06am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119142788#Comment_119142788

Show us where you posted about this ' months ago '.

Dempo1 · 01-06-2022 9:13am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119142929#Comment_119142929

We're did I say I posted about this months ago 🤔 read the post slowly again. Take your time, it's not a long post

mattser · 01-06-2022 9:16am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119142958#Comment_119142958

Were you not one of the dogs on the street that saw this coming ?

I'm sure if you were you would have posted about the impending doom.

Or perhaps you decided to wait and see.

Dempo1 · 01-06-2022 9:22am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119142974#Comment_119142974

A so the dogs on the street, to include me and most people with common sense seeing this train wreck happening is some how turned into a claim I posted something I didn't 🤔

Seriously, a blind person saw this coming, 800 staff made redundant, months to prepare for increased traffic, questionable hiring practices, reports of discontent over the past few months, an experienced travel writer discribed the airport as filty last week. This goes beyond security staff, the DAA is a basket case.

mattser · 01-06-2022 9:29am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119142994#Comment_119142994

So the dogs on the street had more intuition. Grand so. Thanks for clearing that up.

Dempo1 · 01-06-2022 9:40am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119143016#Comment_119143016

No I corrected your incorrect assertion I posted something I didn't.

I'm assuming from your attitude its not at all the fault of DAA who are answerable to Government.

Deflection doesnt change the facts on who's responsible for this shocking debacle or the fact its happened after a prolonged period of utter incompetence

But keep on trying, it's amusing.

Floppybits · 01-06-2022 9:47am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119142535#Comment_119142535

Yep. A decision made by Minister P Flynn of FF at the time. He said councils could fund the building of new social housing using the money they made of selling the existing social housing. Think there was a link here to a youtube video about this on here.

Cluedo Monopoly · 01-06-2022 10:05am

Last years Climate Action Plan is already failing.

'Urgent' implementation of climate plans needed - EPA (rte.ie)

In summary, the report confirms that Ireland is way off course.

There is a huge gap between the ambitions of Ireland's legally binding Climate Act, which targets a 51% cut in emissions by 2030, and the actions needed to deliver on that ambition.

The report highlights that even in the unlikely event that every planned climate policy and measure outlined in the Climate Action Plan were fully implemented on time, Ireland’s greenhouse gas emissions would only fall by 28% by 2030 - a little over half what is legally required.

The Government's carbon budgets - the major new policy instrument for enforcing climate action on all sectors - already look to be in deep trouble.

...

Even with a Green coalition, they cannot produce a credible plan. Is there any area of government policy that is doing well???

blanch152 · 01-06-2022 12:38pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119143177#Comment_119143177

Thankfully they remain committed to the carbon tax. It would be so much worse if we were cutting that.

Dempo1 · 01-06-2022 12:39pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119143177#Comment_119143177

Yes, on going support of Developers 😉

road_high · 01-06-2022 12:51pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119143936#Comment_119143936

Or maybe the likes of this lazy revenue generating rubbish make fcuk all difference to so called climate “change”.

brokenangel · 01-06-2022 1:00pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119144009#Comment_119144009

Are you saying it doesn't work because that is incorrect

The uptake in electric cars even before the Ukraine war was on the rise massively. I know from a builder friend that people will not buy houses unless they are A rated if its a new build etc etc

Remember none of the main parties wanted to get rid of carbon taxes. Some of them got confused about what they wanted to do and as such confused some people in Ireland.

FrancieBrady · 01-06-2022 1:58pm

Priorities! Couldn't be embarassing ourselves in front of the VIPs. At least we might see some competence at the DAA now. Arses should have been kicked long ago.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/worries-over-dublin-airport-queues-hitting-1000-political-vips-at-taoiseachs-eu-shindig-41709874.html

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